Ronaldo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Barnes23 said: The "selling Bruno will help us with FFP" attitude is small-time and a little myopic IMO. Keeping your elite players and building a team around them is what really sends a message in terms of your level of ambition and also the prestige that you're able to build as a club over time. If we take the evolution of Man City as a case in point, the likes of Kompany, Silva and Aguero were integral to their development not only because of their quality but also due to their longevity and what that signified. Our job, at the very least, is to be highly unwilling sellers. And a £100m release clause doesn't really speak to that. Well said. The Ashley mindset in some of our fans is taking a while to shift mind. There’s even some on here that will tell you finishing 8th isn’t a bad season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 38 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: Well said. The Ashley mindset in some of our fans is taking a while to shift mind. There’s even some on here that will tell you finishing 8th isn’t a bad season. It is cold, hard facts not the 'Ashley mindset'. The club has a smaller income than Spurs, but plenty on here think we can spend like Man City without consequence. We. Can't. Fucking. Spend. Like. Them. The quicker you get it into your skulls and stop thinking that the club isn't limited by FFP, the less pissed off you'll all be at the end of every transfer window. It is this sort of delusional attitude that sees people grumble about Dan Burn getting contract extensions, or Dummett and Ritchie still being in the squad. If we could spend what we want, do you think any of that previous sentence would be written? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 13 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: It is cold, hard facts not the 'Ashley mindset'. The club has a smaller income than Spurs, but plenty on here think we can spend like Man City without consequence. We. Can't. Fucking. Spend. Like. Them. The quicker you get it into your skulls and stop thinking that the club isn't limited by FFP, the less pissed off you'll all be at the end of every transfer window. It is this sort of delusional attitude that sees people grumble about Dan Burn getting contract extensions, or Dummett and Ritchie still being in the squad. If we could spend what we want, do you think any of that previous sentence would be written? Sorry what? What’s my post got to do with spending? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, timeEd32 said: A grand total of nine players in the history of football have been sold for £100m+. They are the following: Neymar, age 25 Mbappe, age 19 Coutinho, age 26 Felix, age 19 Enzo, age 22 Griezmann, age 28 Grealish, age 25 Rice, age 24 Caicedo, age 21 Five of those nine have been bought by Premier League clubs. It's been four years since a non-PL club spent that much money on a player. Despite the lunacy of ever increasing transfer fees, £100m is still a big number. Bruno turns 26 in a month. The soonest we'd sell him is next summer, at which point he's closer to 27 and firmly on the high end of this list. Both of the 'old' players on this list went to drunk spending Barcelona and we know how those turned out. I'm all for some worrying™ and debate, but there are far better ways to spend time than letting this clause overshadow a new contract for the best player this club has had in a long time. You forgot C. Ronaldo to Juve for £105 mill at the age of 33. Lukaku was fairly close at £97.5 mill at the age of 28. Kanes price can rise up to £100 mill, deal made at the age of 30. According to reports, Liverpool rejected a bid of £150 mill for Salah (31) this summer. Prices have gone crazy in the last few seasons. If Bruno has an incredible season, we don't have the opportunity to play hardball over him anymore to squeeze out some extra money if he is ready to leave. Edited October 16, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Bruno's going nowhere anytime soon, the beautiful bastard loves the Toon. I reckon it's his agent that has pushed for a release clause, probably because we couldn't offer as high wages as some of the prospective offers in the summer. Means next negotiations they are in a better position for even more, which is fair enough tbf. Maybe when we can match the higher wages and if we're still going strong enough, we can negotiate it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NSG Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Be staggered if it’s just “£100m and he’s yours” to anyone. It’ll be specific clubs, specific times and certain conditions attached. Bruno’s really happy here and the only way he’s moving on is to one of the very elite. We’re not run by idiots anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, Erikse said: You forgot C. Ronaldo to Juve for £105 mill at the age of 33. Lukaku was fairly close at £97.5 mill at the age of 28. Kanes price can rise up to £100 mill, deal made at the age of 30. According to reports, Liverpool rejected a bid of £150 mill for Salah (31) this summer. Prices have gone crazy in the last few seasons. If Bruno has an incredible season, we don't have the opportunity to play hardball over him anymore to squeeze out some extra money if he is ready to leave. Pretty sure Ronaldo to Juve was 100m euros, not pounds. But even if you expand the list to €100m you're adding Lukaku, Dembele, Pogba, Bellingham, Hazard, Ronaldo, Kane, and Bale. Yes fees are inflating, but it's still a very short list comprised of essentially established or potential stars. £100m in the summer of 2024 or 2025 is not going to be some great bargain for the buying club. It's going to be one of the 10-15 largest transfers in the history of the sport (if it happens). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Just now, timeEd32 said: Pretty sure Ronaldo to Juve was 100m euros, not pounds. But even if you expand the list to €100m you're adding Lukaku, Dembele, Pogba, Bellingham, Hazard, Ronaldo, Kane, and Bale. Yes fees are inflating, but it's still a very short list comprised of essentially established or potential stars. £100m in the summer of 2024 or 2025 is not going to be some great bargain for the buying club. It's going to be one of the 10-15 largest transfers in the history of the sport (if it happens). 117 mill euros. It says that many places, including transfermarkt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, Erikse said: 117 mill euros. It says that many places, including transfermarkt. Other sources have different numbers but if you want to add him to the list that’s fine. I don’t think including one of the five greatest players ever who defied aging for nearly a decade changes the point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Ronaldo said: Sorry what? What’s my post got to do with spending? The idea that we can't be selling better players in order to spend. If we sold Bruno, it would hardly be to line the owners' pockets a la Ashley. We would sell in order to improve the squad - if we sold Bruno for 100m (extremely doubtful) that could fund buying several 100m footballers under FFP. But apparently that can't be considered, because that is 'Ashley-like thinking'. Until NUFC's revenues are up with the elites - and based on the adidas and Sela deals, we're not there yet - then of course we'd have to consider selling players. And we shouldn't act like wet blankets if we do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 56 minutes ago, Erikse said: 117 mill euros. It says that many places, including transfermarkt. C Ronaldo is one of a handful of players who can effectively self-fund a transfer via additional revenues brought into a club (even one as big as Juve). It isn't an apt comparison to an excellent midfielder like Bruno who also isn't going to shift the commercial dial much Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikse Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: C Ronaldo is one of a handful of players who can effectively self-fund a transfer via additional revenues brought into a club (even one as big as Juve). It isn't an apt comparison to an excellent midfielder like Bruno who also isn't going to shift the commercial dial much No that's fair, but he still should've been on that list. That's why I brought him into the discussion. Edited October 16, 2023 by Erikse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) ???? Edited October 17, 2023 by PauloGeordio Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 17 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: The idea that we can't be selling better players in order to spend. If we sold Bruno, it would hardly be to line the owners' pockets a la Ashley. We would sell in order to improve the squad - if we sold Bruno for 100m (extremely doubtful) that could fund buying several 100m footballers under FFP. But apparently that can't be considered, because that is 'Ashley-like thinking'. Until NUFC's revenues are up with the elites - and based on the adidas and Sela deals, we're not there yet - then of course we'd have to consider selling players. And we shouldn't act like wet blankets if we do. What you on about? I was making a point about players like Bruno not being happy unless we’re competing in Europe as opposed to finishing 8th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 Guaranteed Bruno has a Vivo, Rir, Amor sign somewhere in his ken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 If he saw the english one he'd probably say "that is so amazing, " Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Ronaldo said: What you on about? I was making a point about players like Bruno not being happy unless we’re competing in Europe as opposed to finishing 8th. No, your second point was. Your first: ’The Ashley mindset in some of our fans is taking a while to shift mind’ Was a reply to a previous poster saying that we shouldn’t sell players because of FFP, that this would be small time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, TheBrownBottle said: No, your second point was. Your first: ’The Ashley mindset in some of our fans is taking a while to shift mind’ Was a reply to a previous poster saying that we shouldn’t sell players because of FFP, that this would be small time. To clarify I’m not bothered about FFP. I am bothered about us keeping our best players by matching their ambition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) If you had a choice of Caicedo, Rice or Bruno all at 100m I'd wager most would go for Bruno. City were sniffing around Paqueta at close to 80m, I'd consider Bruno a better fit than Paqueta at City, Liverpool are also massive admirers of Bruno, they were also prepared to pay close to 100m for Caicedo who imo isn't even close to Bruno. 100m is a bargain in these times for a midfielder who has Brunos ability. I read the post about only 9 players being sold for 100m plus, but, you now have to factor in new owners of clubs with bigger war chests, the Saudis, and also there might only be 9 players sold over 100m, but, I think if clubs are looking at players 70m plus they'd still consider it, Liverpool activating Szoboszlai at 70+ I think had Bruno been on the market at 100m they wouldn't have signed Macallister nor activated Szoboszlai release clause. Edited October 18, 2023 by mighty__mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenlau88210 Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 what was he doing for the 2nd goal? Just watching the ball, poor defensive awareness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 I hope Bruno hasn’t picked up any habits from his midfields mates Paqueta and Tonali. Stick to playing with your dog Bruno - there’s a good lad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganBarasi Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, mighty__mag said: If you had a choice of Caicedo, Rice or Bruno all at 100m I'd wager most would go for Bruno. City were sniffing around Paqueta at close to 80m, I'd consider Bruno a better fit than Paqueta at City, Liverpool are also massive admirers of Bruno, they were also prepared to pay close to 100m for Caicedo who imo isn't even close to Bruno. 100m is a bargain in these times for a midfielder who has Brunos ability. I read the post about only 9 players being sold for 100m plus, but, you now have to factor in new owners of clubs with bigger war chests, the Saudis, and also there might only be 9 players sold over 100m, but, I think if clubs are looking at players 70m plus they'd still consider it, Liverpool activating Szoboszlai at 70+ I think had Bruno been on the market at 100m they wouldn't have signed Macallister nor activated Szoboszlai release clause. Every club in the world would want to sign Alexis MacAllister and Mateo Kovacic for the fees they moved for. Pound for £ Man City have signed Mateo Kovacic - Chelsea spend £400M on a midfield and are still shite. MacAllister and Kovacic are pound for pound great signings. Mateo Kovacic - He's an elite level player, will fit in to Pep's City's midfield. Bar Man City, every club in the Sky Sports 6 is in a 'transition' season. Man City will dominate this league for next generation - they build foundations with Soriano, Txiki Begiristain - Barca mentality - then made it their focus in employing Pep Guardiola. Real Madrid have changed gear when you look at it (last 6year) - the Man U/Chelsea approach of spending £300M every summer is redundant. Edited October 18, 2023 by MorganBarasi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganBarasi Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 For generations we've sold players - now we are in a pure position of Fuck You (FY). Want our best player? FY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 33 minutes ago, MorganBarasi said: For generations we've sold players - now we are in a pure position of Fuck You (FY). Want our best player? FY Not completely accurate, Pep has always said if a player doesn't wish to stay he will never stand in their way. I get that though, Pep demands a lot, and he needs to know everyone pulls in the same direction. Don't be alarmed if those FY's fracture with the Saudi landscape set to dominate football, you mentioned generations, I don't doubt City, but the Saudi football grab could change everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganBarasi Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, mighty__mag said: Not completely accurate, Pep has always said if a player doesn't wish to stay he will never stand in their way. I get that though, Pep demands a lot, and he needs to know everyone pulls in the same direction. Don't be alarmed if those FY's fracture with the Saudi landscape set to dominate football, you mentioned generations, I don't doubt City, but the Saudi football grab could change everything. This is important - something I'd love the FA/Southgate to embrace. Pep Guardiola and Man City are the best team in the world... Chelsea's academy is the best in the world.. Man City/Pep are now heavily influencing English football. Stones-Walker-Foden, but Rico Lewis, James Trafford, Cole Palmer. England have the equivalent of Spain's La Masia with Chelsea and Man City - and we will throw it away by playing Maguire and Henderson. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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