pubteam Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 The only way burn gets dropped is down to injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 16 minutes ago, RS said: Being used as an excuse for everything including erectile dysfunction. We know his limitations ffs Valid to criticise him today mind, he was crap and it wasn't just being played against players that can take advantage of his weaknesses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 22 minutes ago, alexf said: He did nothing. He neither closed him down or blocked the angle. Couldn't have asked for an easier opportunity as a winger. Burn might aswell have not been there. I'm not blaming him personally, I just can't get my head around Howe not changing it especially as Tino has proven himself at left back plenty. Every time Tino has come on recently we haven't conceded and have also scored goals and looked more dangerous going forward. He is too scared to try and close him down cos all the bloke has to do is stick it past him and run Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 What happens when he plays Livramento and it doesn’t magically solve our (much bigger) midfield problems? Who you gonna blame then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 (edited) 34 minutes ago, RS said: Being used as an excuse for everything including erectile dysfunction. We know his limitations ffs Prabably the opposite tbf, any time there's a chance down his side half the forum become furiously erect. There'll probably be a baby boom in 9 months after that Semenyo 1 in 20 hit. Edited February 17, 2024 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 Just now, Kid Icarus said: What happens when he plays Livramento and it doesn’t magically solve our (much bigger) midfield problems? Who you gonna blame then? Until we start Tino without chasing a game, it’s a hard one to answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 The first against Forest and second today had nothing to do with lack of pace and everything to do with poor decision making and movement. If he's not even offering that any more then he literally offers nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: What happens when he plays Livramento and it doesn’t magically solve our (much bigger) midfield problems? Who you gonna blame then? Are we not allowed to find out, though? How many games in a row does he have to come on to right what clearly keeps becoming a wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 1 minute ago, Ronson333 said: Until we start Tino without chasing a game, it’s a hard one to answer. We already know for sure it means Trippier (most assists in the league) stays back as part of a 3. You can guarantee plenty haven't considered that and the impact that has on the linkes of Miggy and Longstaff like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 Just now, Kid Icarus said: We already know for sure it means Trippier (most assists in the league) stays back as part of a 3. You can guarantee plenty haven't considered that and the impact that has on the linkes of Miggy and Longstaff like. Fair point, hopefully in the summer we upgrade the RW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 3 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: The first against Forest and second today had nothing to do with lack of pace and everything to do with poor decision making and movement. If he's not even offering that any more then he literally offers nowt. I can't see what he did wrong in today's goal. With such a clear 1 vs 1 with no one to help him I'm happy when he gets the attacker to take that shot, at least when Pope is in goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 You've also got teams who are setting up the majority of their attacks on that side now because they know he can't handle it at the minute. Take him out of the firing line and they've at least got to do more than just give it to their quick lad on the right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 1 minute ago, Pata said: I can't see what he did wrong in today's goal. With such a clear 1 vs 1 with no one to help him I'm happy when he gets the attacker to take that shot, at least when Pope is in goal. He did nothing. He didn't jockey him, he didn't try to get close to him...he just let him get a shot in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: You've also got teams who are setting up the majority of their attacks on that side now because they know he can't handle it at the minute. Take him out of the firing line and they've at least got to do more than just give it to their quick lad on the right. Exactly it's so easy to play against us. Just quick some quick arse on the right and you'll get chances Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Pata said: I can't see what he did wrong in today's goal. With such a clear 1 vs 1 with no one to help him I'm happy when he gets the attacker to take that shot, at least when Pope is in goal. Problem is he’s anxious not to get done for pace by an attacker, so he’s not closing them down. That bit of space he left today allowed the shot. It’s not his fault, he’s one of us and tries his best. Howe should be starting Tino right now given Burn’s form. Edited February 17, 2024 by Ronson333 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: He did nothing. He didn't jockey him, he didn't try to get close to him...he just let him get a shot in. He absolutely did jockey him, can't take risks there and jump in when he has zero help from others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myleftboot Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 36 minutes ago, pubteam said: The only way burn gets dropped is down to injury. Fake injury incoming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: What happens when he plays Livramento and it doesn’t magically solve our (much bigger) midfield problems? Who you gonna blame then? We'll cross that bridge when we come to it. The pitchforks and torches are already in hand and the villagers are marching on up to the castle as we speak. The monster must be dealt with. Don't try reasoning with us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc123 Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: What happens when he plays Livramento and it doesn’t magically solve our (much bigger) midfield problems? Who you gonna blame then? Burn will get rinsed a couple of times, but I dont think it will change that much. We have zero controll all over the pitch. Its back and fourth back and fourth the whole game. End to end stuff a lot lately. Edited February 17, 2024 by nufc123 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 7 minutes ago, Ronson333 said: Fair point, hopefully in the summer we upgrade the RW. That hybrid RW/AM is the priority for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronson333 Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: That hybrid RW/AM is the priority for me Yep agree, not just Miggy but Longstaff too. If that’s Tonali then great, but we need more from our right sided mid in terms of creativity and goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 26 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: What happens when he plays Livramento and it doesn’t magically solve our (much bigger) midfield problems? Who you gonna blame then? No blame required if the harm isn't self inflicted. We would not be so reliant on Trippier's assists if we had a dual threat down the left for a change, giving the opposition something extra to deal with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: We already know for sure it means Trippier (most assists in the league) stays back as part of a 3. You can guarantee plenty haven't considered that and the impact that has on the linkes of Miggy and Longstaff like. I could understand this argument were it not for the fact that we keep correcting away from it anyway. Sometimes he comes on and we switch to 5, sometimes he comes on and we switch to 3. If it happens game after game (which it is right now), is that not questionable? I will say that I don't think there's much Howe could do right now with the squad overall apart from this switch and yes, there's every chance it doesn't cure our ills. But why are we not trying? If it keeps being targeted over and over. And over. Why can't we find out what difference a change makes? I would like to state for the record that I love Howe and hope we find success with him and have been loathe to criticise him to any great extent up to now. However.. Is it not a concern if there's absolutely no deviating from the plan of a tall full back to make a three in transition when it has clearly not been working for an elongated period of time now? Edited February 17, 2024 by wormy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 Just now, wormy said: I could understand this argument were it not for the fact thay we keep correcting away from it anyway. Sometimes he comes on and we switch to 5, sometimes he comes on and we switch to 3. If it happens game after game (which it is right now), is that not questionable? I will say that I don't think there's much Howe could do right now with the squad overall apart from this switch and yes, there's every chance it doesn't cure our ills. But why are we not trying? If it keeps being targeted over and over. And over. Why can't we find out what difference a change makes? I would like to state for the record that I love Howe and hope we find success with him and have been loathe to criticise him to any great extent up to now. However.. Is it not a concern if there's absolutely no deviating from the plan of a tall full back to make a three in transition when it has clearly not been working for an elongated period of time now? It's hard to tell for sure, against Villa it looked like a 5 with Burn tucked in, and against Luton more like a 3 with Livramento pushed up, but in both cases Trippier stopped getting forward. We can both agree that's not what you want Trippier to be doing. Even if we had a midfield that could cover, with Joelinton and/or Willock, you could have them both getting forward, but that side of the game isn't a strength of the 3 were having to rely on. I don't envy Howe. For all the calling for Livramento, there'll be other problems that come up by playing him. Maybe at some point he'll think it's worth trying out regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 17, 2024 Share Posted February 17, 2024 17 minutes ago, 80 said: No blame required if the harm isn't self inflicted. We would not be so reliant on Trippier's assists if we had a dual threat down the left for a change, giving the opposition something extra to deal with. We don't have the midfield to be able to do that though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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