Overrated players

[Kid Icarus]

Shearer also said he found him easy to play against and never really understood the hype. 

[The College Dropout]

Van Dijk's arguably the best CB i've ever seen tbf. A lot of it is tactical because the plan involves leaving him 1v1. 

 

Fast, trickery opposition players don't want to see him 1v1 on the half way line. That's crazy. His intimidation to the opposition is crazy.

 

Deep defending is a piece of cake. Leadership. On the ball. Everything.

 

 

Edited May 11, 2022 by The College Dropout

[The College Dropout]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Shearer also said he found him easy to play against and never really understood the hype. 

Who?

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Who?

Sol Campbell. He's mentioned it a few times that he found him really easy to play against, could push him around, outsmart him etc. 

[Guest ManDoon]

13 minutes ago, Froggy said:

Terry is the best defender in PL history for me like. No pace but he was so good at reading the game he didn't need it.

He did benefit from the best CB of the PL era next to him, and arguably the two best DMs ahead of him like 

[Kid Icarus]

Terry was absolutely class regardless of who he played alongside or who he had in front of him tbf to the horrible twat. 

[Guest ManDoon]

Carvalho >> Terry imo. Ledley King was overrated due to his injuries imo

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, ManDoon said:

Carvalho >> Terry imo. Ledley King was overrated due to his injuries imo

 

I have absolutely no evidence for it, but rating Carvalho over Terry feels like a very football hipster thing to do , not that I'm accusing you of that like. 

[Guest ManDoon]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

Terry was absolutely class regardless of who he played alongside or who he had in front of him tbf to the horrible twat. 

Aye but stick you next to Carvalho and  Makalele/Essien and Mou in charge and I reckon you’d have a decent season. He’s a very good defender but not an all time great for me. Nowhere near the likes of Nesta, prime Desailly etc

[Guest ManDoon]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

 

I have absolutely no evidence for it, but rating Carvalho over Terry feels like a very football hipster thing to do , not that I'm accusing you of that like. 

 nah I get that, they are very opposing players. Carvalho is all class and cool and Terry is basically brexit. Carvalho was just an incredible defender imo. 

[GeordieInManc]

12 hours ago, Stal said:

John Terry is a bit of a weird one. I have absolutely no memory of him until he seemed to suddenly appear at about age 24 in the Chelsea defence and was immediately lauded as being really great. I had never heard of him, either as an up and coming prospect, regular on the subs bench or having periods of cover for some more established player. I can't even remember a loan report of him out at some local lower league club. To me, it felt like he literally just appeared out of nowhere.

 

In your defence, there wasn't the micro-focus there was now on any player who has a decent game. If a wonderkid has a good game now, it goes viral all over social media - 'remember the name'.

Didn't really have that in the early 00s, outside of the UCL regulars. 

[Guest ManDoon]

Ronaldinho at his absolute best, was better than Messi imo. In terms of pure ability, people forget who pacey and physical he was. His passing was absurd as well

[The College Dropout]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Sol Campbell. He's mentioned it a few times that he found him really easy to play against, could push him around, outsmart him etc. 

Shearer scored 1 goal in 8 apps against Campbell's Arsenal team in the PL.

 

I think Shearer had a much better record against a young Sol in a Spurs shirt which is leading his judgement.

[Kid Icarus]

Terry was an excellent last ditch defender, but have people forgotten Terry's reading of the game or something? I don't get it, he was an absolute master. 

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

Shearer scored 1 goal in 8 apps against Campbell's Arsenal team in the PL.

 

I think Shearer had a much better record against a young Sol in a Spurs shirt which is leading his judgement.

 

Aye, but Sol played for the invincible Arsenal team  Hardly fair to just pull that one stat out without any wider context and dismiss Shearer's opinion on an individual player. 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

On 09/05/2022 at 18:13, kingxlnc said:

Legend obviously at Roma, one club man and all that but I never got the hype around Totti. Never really saw 'talismanic' performances from him, that I did from the likes of Del Piero,  Zola et al. 

 

 

[Guest ManDoon]

The goat 

[Guest ManDoon]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Terry was an excellent last ditch defender, but have people forgotten Terry's reading of the game or something? I don't get it, he was an absolute master. 

No he was definitely good at it, but he also did expose himself to a lot of last ditch stuff.

[Guest ManDoon]

1 minute ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

 

 

Totti was incredible. Lush player to watch 

[Guest ManDoon]

There was like a whole year of Soccer AM that was basically Ronaldinho highlights. In my top 3 easily 

[WillingtonMag]

5 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

The goat 

One of my favourite goals by one of favourite players ever

[Kid Icarus]

It ended so quickly with Ronaldinho like. I went to Barca in 2007 and watched them against Almeria, he was honestly absolutely shocking. 

 

 

Edited May 11, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[The College Dropout]

7 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Terry was absolutely class regardless of who he played alongside or who he had in front of him tbf to the horrible twat. 

This is not true. Terry was never particularly impressive for England (less so than Ferdinand & Campbell). He didn't look good for good spells under AVB, RDM & Rafa because of his weakness on the turn.

 

Terry was a fantastic player and maybe under-rated by some football hipsters. But he had too many glaring weaknesses in his game to be considered the best anything.

 

There's a very good argument Carvalho was better than Terry. His exploits in Porto and in Madrid.

[The College Dropout]

10 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Aye, but Sol played for the invincible Arsenal team  Hardly fair to just pull that one stat out without any wider context and dismiss Shearer's opinion on an individual player. 

We weren't a bad side for a lot of that era too.

 

I'm just saying Shearer's memories are likely shaped by Sol's earlier days at Tottenham. It's not like he consistently had Sol's number.

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

This is not true. Terry was never particularly impressive for England (less so than Ferdinand & Campbell). He didn't look good for good spells under AVB, RDM & Rafa because of his weakness on the turn.

 

Terry was a fantastic player and maybe under-rated by some football hipsters. But he had too many glaring weaknesses in his game to be considered the best anything.

 

There's a very good argument Carvalho was better than Terry. His exploits in Porto and in Madrid.

 

This is just as much nonsense as the last time you were talking about England.

 

I agree with you about him generally only being great in a low block and it's absolutely fair enough to not rate him as the best, but the criticism I've seen about him not reading the game are just bizarre, he was absolutely incredible at it, which is why his weaknesses were very rarely exposed and why he's seen as one of the best in the PL era.