General NUFC stuff

[Dr.Spaceman]

Just now, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

No we all accept he was terrible, he's just not as bad as Pardew and Bruce because they were cunts and also terrible

 

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[SteV]

1 minute ago, Ghandis Flip-Flop said:

No we all accept he was terrible, he's just not as bad as Pardew and Bruce because they were cunts and also terrible

They both massively outperformed McClaren in every season they had, cunts or not.

 

*I accept Bruce would have massively underperformed everyone had he stayed for any length of time in that final season, but he didn’t.

[SteV]

6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Nowhere near our 12/13 squad's underperformance imo, that McClaren team was ridiculously unbalanced and lacked quality in key areas.

Whilst not wanting to absolve Pardew of blame for 12/13, the summer window that preceded it completely threw us to the dogs. 

And for all the many negative aspects of Pardew’s tenure, at least 11/12 is something solid in the positive column. McClaren has absolutely fuck all. Like nothing. Apart from maybe those two games where we beat Liverpool and Spurs back to back.

[Kid Icarus]

3 minutes ago, SteV said:

Whilst not wanting to absolve Pardew of blame for 12/13, the summer window that preceded it completely threw us to the dogs. 

And for all the many negative aspects of Pardew’s tenure, at least 11/12 is something solid in the positive column. McClaren has absolutely fuck all. Like nothing. Apart from maybe those two games where we beat Liverpool and Spurs back to back.

 

The transfer window was poor, but that squad was still miles better and more balanced than 15/16. Even after we splurged money in January we still ended up being bailed out by Jose Bosingwa in the second last match of the season. I've seen some bad performances in my time, but I've never seen anything as bad as those 0-3 and 0-6 home losses that season as well. 

[HaydnNUFC]

8 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

The transfer window was poor, but that squad was still miles better and more balanced than 15/16. Even after we splurged money in January we still ended up being bailed out by Jose Bosingwa in the second last match of the season. I've seen some bad performances in my time, but I've never seen anything as bad as those 0-3 and 0-6 home losses that season as well. 

The second half of 2013-14 was as bad as the worst of 2012-13. Whilst nowt comes close to the 0-6 (worst experience I’ve ever had watching us, that), the second mackem 0-3 and 0-4 defeats at home to Sherwood’s Spurs and Moyes’ Man Utd were tragically bad. The first mackem 0-3 in 2012-13 whilst dreadful was 3 counter attacks and 3 strikes from outside the box. Plus we had an equaliser wrongfully disallowed.

 

2015-16 may have been a slightly inferior squad but that team going down is indefensible. Benitez showed the bones of a decent side were there from the Swansea win onwards. Additionally, the 0-1 loss at home in the League Cup to Sheffield Wednesday who made 10 changes and the 0-3 loss at home to Leicester (following that up with a 5-1 loss to Pardew’s Palace) were as bad as anything served up under Pardew.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2025 by HaydnNUFC

[HaydnNUFC]

I do also admit that 2012-13 was the start of the diminishing of the club and of expectations, setting in stone Ashley’s modus operandi of never challenging for anything. Not the cups, not Europe, nowt. Just stay in the league at minimal cost and fuck everything else off as anything else increases the chances of injuries therefore relegation. That was down to Pardew’s shtick that season and Ashley bought it. And a lot of the fans did as well.

[Coffee_Johnny]

1 hour ago, joeyt said:

Was at a book launch last night at the Live Theatre with the author of this new book

 

I get that, thanks for flagging-up. Only read his autobiography this year, great read.

[deejeck]

Struggle to find any negative feeling towards McClaren tbh.  Aye, it all went to shit but he and a few others are evidence that if you conduct yourself in a respectable manner and give the job a proper go then you'll leave on reasonable terms.  The likes of Souness, Bruce and Allardyce are disliked for a reason - if you treat the support with distain and blame us for your own shortcomings then of course we're going to give you a hard time.  Shame that this excuse will only carry you so far - we, as NUFC supporters, can't be to blame for every job that you were subsequently shite at.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2025 by deejeck

[SteV]

1 hour ago, deejeck said:

Struggle to find any negative feeling towards McClaren tbh.  Aye, it all went to shit but he and a few others are evidence that if you conduct yourself in a respectable manner and give the job a proper go then you'll leave on reasonable terms.  The likes of Souness, Bruce and Allardyce are disliked for a reason - if you treat the support with distain and blame us for your own shortcomings then of course we're going to give you a hard time.  Shame that this excuse will only carry you so far - we, as NUFC supporters, can't be to blame for every job that you were subsequently shite at.

 

 

 

He was absolutely fucking useless. If just being a decent bloke and trying your best is good enough to get a pass, I don’t know what we’re doing. 
 

As unpalatable as it might be, I’d rather have a right cunt that didn’t get us relegated.

 

Fortunately, we’ve now managed to get ourselves someone who appears to combine being an excellent human with being an elite manager.

 

 

Edited September 5, 2025 by SteV

[deejeck]

21 minutes ago, SteV said:

He was absolutely fucking useless. If just being a decent bloke and trying your best is good enough to get a pass, I don’t know what we’re doing. 
 

As unpalatable as it might be, I’d rather have a right cunt that didn’t get us relegated.

 

Fortunately, we’ve now managed to get ourselves someone who appears to combine being an excellent human with being an elite manager.

 

 

 

Agree with that.  Norwich game aside, it was poor under McClaren and he should've been sacked sooner.  For whatever ever reason though, he just doesn't register on the hatred scale for me.  As far as I'm aware, he's never badmouthed the support and that's probably the difference.

[Kaizero]

4 hours ago, JT24 said:

Bruce deserves his own tier, just for how shit he truly was. 

 

Something like this I reckon: 

 

 

For those wanting to have a go themselves: https://tiermaker.com/create/nufcmanagers-pl-18656080

[Fak]

Souness as a C is mad bro.

[SteV]

Just now, deejeck said:

Agree with that.  Norwich game aside, it was poor under McClaren and he should've been sacked sooner.  For whatever ever reason though, he just doesn't register on the hatred scale for me.  As far as I'm aware, he's never badmouthed the support and that's probably the difference.

I suppose it depends how much you let behaviour and character feed into it. 
 

For me, McClaren was unquestionably the worst performing manager in recent history. However, I suppose I should accept some people may feel that the off-field stuff around other managers was so unpalatable, it overtakes the fact that they actually performed better than him.

[Dr.Spaceman]

2 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

 

Something like this I reckon: 

 

 

For those wanting to have a go themselves: https://tiermaker.com/create/nufcmanagers-pl-18656080

 

Who's the guy between Gullit and Alardyce?

[Kaizero]

2 minutes ago, Fak said:

Souness as a C is mad bro.

 

44.83 win percentage, higher than Rafa. Dislike the guy but couldn't put him on D with the "worst" managers (F being reserved for "worst" + "biggest cunt" combo ).

[Dr.Spaceman]

[Kaizero]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

 

Who's the guy between Gullit and Alardyce?

 

Pearson  

[Dr.Spaceman]

Just now, Kaizero said:

 

Pearson  

 

if we're including him then we need to include Terry Mc & Jason Tindall, shirley

[Kid Icarus]

tin hat on, but SBR is overrated in our fanbase imo

[Fak]

2 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

 

44.83 win percentage, higher than Rafa. Dislike the guy but couldn't put him on D with the "worst" managers (F being reserved for "worst" + "biggest cunt" combo ).

 

Souness took a squad that had finished 4th, 3rd, 5th and finished 14th. Fell out with and flogged the likes of Robert & Bellamy because he couldn't handle the modern day footballer. 

 

44% win percentage or not, the bloke was honking. 

[Kaizero]

Just now, Dr.Spaceman said:

if we're including him then we need to include Terry Mc & Jason Tindall, shirley

 

Absolutely, but I couldn't be arsed finding and cropping pics of the other caretakers and couldn't figure out how to get Pearson out after I'd already made the mistake of including him, so it is what it is  

[Fak]

2 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

tin hat on, but SBR is overrated in our fanbase imo

 

Agree. He was very good for us but nowhere near Keegan or Howe level. There definitely shouldn't be a statue of him outside the ground either.

[Kaizero]

Just now, Fak said:

 

Souness took a squad that had finished 4th, 3rd, 5th and finished 14th. Fell out with and flogged the likes of Robert & Bellamy because he couldn't handle the modern day footballer. 

 

44% win percentage or not, the bloke was honking. 

 

Don't disagree at all, man  But would have to include our shit (but not massive cunts) managers on the lowest rank to make room for him in D  

[El Prontonise]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

tin hat on, but SBR is overrated in our fanbase imo

 

Totally agree with this.

 

He made so many mistakes in his last 12-18 months.

[Kid Icarus]

6 minutes ago, Kaizero said:

 

Don't disagree at all, man  But would have to include our shit (but not massive cunts) managers on the lowest rank to make room for him in D  

 

Just add an E row