Pilko Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 2 minutes ago, Rod said: Fuck off man and read my posts instead of looking up pathetic stats, saddo! I did read your post and it was shit, you mental old drunk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 3 minutes ago, Rod said: It didn't take him 12 years to "jump ship". Don't be silly. He was happy enough for eleven and half years but when things got a bit tough he couldnt wait to fuck off. That is my point. My other point is Pope is/was far superior to Given which this thread is about actually. We were ran by Ashley and managed by Kinnear and were heading only one way. Why shouldn’t be leave for a club like Man City that were on the up when they came sniffing? The move didn’t work out for him in the end ultimately but he owed Newcastle nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Just now, El Prontonise said: I don't blame him for jumping ship, I would've done similar. 100%, we were an absolute joke at the time he left. From the CL years under Robson to where we got to when he left in early 2009 was a hell of a decline and he played behind some rotten defences and some awful managers before he finally decided to move on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Just now, El Prontonise said: I don't blame him for jumping ship, I would've done similar. Can I just wave the white flag now? Talk about ganging up on someone. I get it, you all loved Shay Given and I thought he was MASSIVELY overrated. Okay? The thread is about Pope ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 1 minute ago, Fak said: We were ran by Ashley and managed by Kinnear and were heading only one way. Why shouldn’t be leave for a club like Man City that were on the up when they came sniffing? The move didn’t work out for him in the end ultimately but he owed Newcastle nothing. Yes he did owe Newcastle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 3 minutes ago, Pilko said: I did read your post and it was shit, you mental old drunk Keats? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 (edited) 1 minute ago, Rod said: Yes he did owe Newcastle. What did he owe us and why? Edited November 8 by Fak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 1 minute ago, Rod said: Keats? Yeah google him you ignoramus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Given's command of his box was poor, his kicking wasn't great (although this is a feature of literally every NUFC keeper I can remember ) and he had a period in his later years of being beaten from long distance a lot. Hardly ever saved pens either. That all said his shot stopping was so, so good and he was left so exposed by the defences he played behind it made up for a lot of those deficiencies. I don't like the idea that he was desperate to jump ship when there was about 5 years of shite between us being in Europe and when he eventually left. He gave us his best years and arguably could have got himself a bigger move had he not stuck around during some of our lean pre-Ashley years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 1 minute ago, Pilko said: Given's command of his box was poor, his kicking wasn't great (although this is a feature of literally every NUFC keeper I can remember ) and he had a period in his later years of being beaten from long distance a lot. Hardly ever saved pens either. That all said his shot stopping was so, so good and he was left so exposed by the defences he played behind it made up for a lot of those deficiencies. I don't like the idea that he was desperate to jump ship when there was about 5 years of shite between us being in Europe and when he eventually left. He gave us his best years and arguably could have got himself a bigger move had he not stuck around during some of our lean pre-Ashley years. So Pope then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Just now, Rod said: So Pope then? I don't have an issue with the Given / Pope debate, I think it's quite close and would understand someone leaning either way tbh. I took issue with you saying Given couldn't wait to jump ship when really he was someone who'd given his best years to the club and was clearly at the end of his tether with the shit show we were when he left - Ashley, Kinnear, the Liverpool 1-5 home game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 6 minutes ago, Pilko said: I don't have an issue with the Given / Pope debate, I think it's quite close and would understand someone leaning either way tbh. I took issue with you saying Given couldn't wait to jump ship when really he was someone who'd given his best years to the club and was clearly at the end of his tether with the shit show we were when he left - Ashley, Kinnear, the Liverpool 1-5 home game. And after the 1-5 defeat he couldn't wait to piss off. Boo hoo. My point well made by your good self Pilko. I thank you Sir. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Rod v The Office wankers is exactly what everyone wants to see on a Friday night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Just now, Dr.Spaceman said: Rod v The Office wankers is exactly what everyone wants to see on a Friday night. Big boy shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 6 minutes ago, Rod said: And after the 1-5 defeat he couldn't wait to piss off. Boo hoo. My point well made by your good self Pilko. I thank you Sir. You never mentioned "after the 1-5" originally though, did you? You just said a player who made nearly 500 appearances for us couldn't wait to jump ship goodnight and enjoy the wine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Just now, Pilko said: You never mentioned "after the 1-5" originally though, did you? You just said a player who made nearly 500 appearances for us couldn't wait to jump ship goodnight and enjoy the wine. Goodnight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Pope is by far a superior keeper to given like. Commanding his area sweeper keeper shot stopping. Given was a legend but not a patch on the holy one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack j Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Never fails to amaze me how people can question the loyalty of our 3rd highest ever appearance maker in our whole history Its just fucking backwards Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 1 minute ago, jack j said: Never fails to amaze me how people can question the loyalty of our 3rd highest ever appearance maker in our whole history Its just fucking backwards This is a Pope thread. Get off! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Given knew the club wasn't trying to compete anymore so jumped ship to try and win something before his career ended which is fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 3 minutes ago, andycap said: Given knew the club wasn't trying to compete anymore so jumped ship to try and win something before his career ended which is fair enough. So we agree he "jumped ship", didn't win owt and his time on Newcastle was/is soured because he got a few more quid elsewhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 4 minutes ago, Rod said: So we agree he "jumped ship", didn't win owt and his time on Newcastle was/is soured because he got a few more quid elsewhere? I'm not to fussed with him leaving mind. It was long overdue do you not think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 Should’ve sacked him on the spot in Coventry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 53 minutes ago, Fak said: We were ran by Ashley and managed by Kinnear and were heading only one way. Why shouldn’t be leave for a club like Man City that were on the up when they came sniffing? The move didn’t work out for him in the end ultimately but he owed Newcastle nothing. This. The club weren't for matching Given's ambitions, or for even having any ambition whatsoever. We were heading one way and he wasn't hanging around for it, and I don't blame him because he was far too good to be playing in the Championship. He was here for 12 years and it probably broke his heart to witness what we'd become under Ashley, to suggest he isn't a Newcastle man and a club legend is just daft. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 16 minutes ago, Rod said: So we agree he "jumped ship", didn't win owt and his time on Newcastle was/is soured because he got a few more quid elsewhere? Every player since 1969 hasn’t won anything at Newcastle. Are all those who have left for more money since then soured too? Especially those who never reached 12 years of service? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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