gdm Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 8 minutes ago, JonBez comesock said: Not capped , ps - that will never happen They won’t cap extra income , no matter what I didn’t think they would. Just checking. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 8 hours ago, JonBez comesock said: Not capped , ps - that will never happen They won’t cap extra income , no matter what Nor should they, locking fans out of the club they support because some people feel entitled is monumentally stupid and destroys future growth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 I don't think capping memberships would lock out any fans really, or not a significant number. It would just stop random people buying a membership to take a punt on a day out (at the expense of a fan). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 6 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I don't think capping memberships would lock out any fans really, or not a significant number. It would just stop random people buying a membership to take a punt on a day out (at the expense of a fan). Of course it would Ian ffs. You need a membership to buy a ticket if our current number of members out strips our available tickets by x amount by your theory your suggesting the rest of the members aren’t real fans and are just taking a punt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 I'm not suggesting capping memberships at the number of available tickets, I'm just suggesting not making them infinite and not selling them after a certain date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 I've done it now but was there a quicker way of changing date of birth than hammering the left button on month? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: I've done it now but was there a quicker way of changing date of birth than hammering the left button on month? Yes, on the top of these calanders, tap on the year. Drop down box should appear Edited.....ps glad I found that out cos having to go back, month by month, to fucking 19 fucking 63 was absolutely fucking demoralising Edited June 7 by Groundhog63 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) 3 hours ago, r0cafella said: Of course it would Ian ffs. You need a membership to buy a ticket if our current number of members out strips our available tickets by x amount by your theory your suggesting the rest of the members aren’t real fans and are just taking a punt. They could sell unlimited memberships June to end of July then close it. Open it again Dec to end of Jan for any more who want to sign up You don’t buy a membership in the windows then you miss out on going to games Won’t stop the touts, but might limit their interest in taking a punt Means we have a finite number of people able to buy tickets for each 1/2 of the season and club could be open about how many people hold memberships in that period Which allows the rest of us to have some sense as to what we’re up against in terms of membership numbers competing for tickets Offering unlimited memberships all season long isn’t a “membership” it’s just a general sale but with an entry fee to generate extra bunce for the club Edited June 7 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: They could sell unlimited memberships June to end of July then close it. Open it again Dec to end of Jan for any more who want to sign up You don’t buy a membership in the windows then you miss out on going to games Won’t stop the touts, but might limit their interest in taking a punt Means we have a finite number of people trying to buy tickets for each 1/2 of the season and the club could be open about how many people hold memberships in that period Which allows the rest of us to have some sense as to what we’re up against in terms of membership numbers competing for tickets Offering unlimited memberships all season long isn’t a “membership” it’s just a general sale with an entry fee that generates extra bunce for the club But this achieves nothing, you make something more convoluted for what reason exactly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Need to rename this place to gatekeepers online. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) 26 minutes ago, r0cafella said: But this achieves nothing, you make something more convoluted for what reason exactly? you sell a “membership” that is really just a £40 tax to allow absolutely anyone (fan, tout, tourist who’s visiting the city, away fan etc) to join at any point in the season and to all have a completely equal chance of buying a ticket for any game in general sale for what reason exactly ? Edited June 7 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 22 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said: you sell a “membership” that is really just a £40 tax to allow absolutely anyone (fan, tout, tourist who’s visiting the city, away fan etc) to join at any point in the season and to all have a completely equal chance of buying a ticket for any game in general sale for what reason exactly ? That is precisely what others club do, so sure we could not do it but unfortunately FFP dictates we have to. Ultimately as fans we are mere custodians for the next generations who’s job it will be to preserve it for the generation after them, it’s why the gate keepers who want to restrict everything and create artificial hoops irk me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 4 minutes ago, r0cafella said: That is precisely what others club do, so sure we could not do it but unfortunately FFP dictates we have to. Ultimately as fans we are mere custodians for the next generations who’s job it will be to preserve it for the generation after them, it’s why the gate keepers who want to restrict everything and create artificial hoops irk me. I don't know why you're bothering, tbf. This will be seasonal rinse repeat. To some extent it's, genuinely, just tough shit. A bunch of supporters who had unlimited access to games because we were shit haven't got that anymore because we're not shit. Wrong place, wrong time, unfortunately. Obvs the lucky barstewards with ST have won the lottery 😂 and fair play to them. The rest of us are in the mix. People need to really get a grip of their burgeoning disdain for "tourists". This is the way it is now. Welcome to capitalism 2024 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 7 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said: I don't know why you're bothering, tbf. This will be seasonal rinse repeat. To some extent it's, genuinely, just tough shit. A bunch of supporters who had unlimited access to games because we were shit haven't got that anymore because we're not shit. Wrong place, wrong time, unfortunately. Obvs the lucky barstewards with ST have won the lottery 😂 and fair play to them. The rest of us are in the mix. People need to really get a grip of their burgeoning disdain for "tourists". This is the way it is now. Welcome to capitalism 2024 Don’t get me wrong I’m perfectly happy for everyone to have different positions, it’s apart of life but i would prefer if they were honest about the intentions of the positions taken. If you want to restrict membership to increase your own chance of getting ticket just be honest about it. It’s just annoying because if you draw a ven diagram of people who don’t want a new stadium and want to restrict memberships it’s a worryingly large cohort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) 48 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Don’t get me wrong I’m perfectly happy for everyone to have different positions, it’s apart of life but i would prefer if they were honest about the intentions of the positions taken. If you want to restrict membership to increase your own chance of getting ticket just be honest about it. It’s just annoying because if you draw a ven diagram of people who don’t want a new stadium and want to restrict memberships it’s a worryingly large cohort. Unlimited memberships available all season isn't a membership though. It's just an entry fee for accessing the ballot and resale I was in Lisbon recently when Sporting played Benfica. Top of the table local derby that would probably decide the title. I'd have loved to have gone and experienced that game Tickets only on sale to members. Memberships were still on sale and I would have bought one if it gave me a chance of getting a ticket But the restriction was that you had to have held a membership for 6 months to get a ticket for that game Was that frustrating for me ? Yes. But it meant as a tourist with no allegiance to Sporting I couldn't get a ticket and potentially deprive a genuine Sporting fan from getting to the game NUFC had none of that in place last season. Joao the Sporting fan visiting Newcastle for the weekend had just as much chance of a ticket as Joe the lifelong NUFC fan who applies for every game. As long as they were both willing to pay their £40 membership And the same principle applied to touts, away fans and anyone else who just fancied checking out a game. That's why we need some sort of restriction, not to limit tickets to a select few thousand members And I bought multiple tickets for every home game last season, so I'll be fine if they keep the same system. I don't have an agenda in trying to increase my chances Edited June 7 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Just now, bobbydazzla said: Unlimited memberships available all season isn't a membership though. It's just an entry fee for accessing the ballot and resale I was in Lisbon earlier this year when Sporting played Benfica. Top of the table local derby that would probably decide the title. I'd have loved to have gone and experienced that game Tickets only on sale to members. Memberships were still on sale and I would have bought one if it gave me a chance of getting a ticket But the restriction was that you had to have held a membership for 6 months to get a ticket for that game Was that frustrating for me ? Yes. But it meant as a tourist with no allegiance to Sporting I couldn't get a ticket and potentially deprive a genuine Sporting fan from getting to the game NUFC had none of that in place last season. Joao the Sporting fan visiting Newcastle for the weekend had just as much chance of a ticket as Joe the lifelong NUFC fan who applies for every game. As long as they were both willing to pay their £40 membership And the same principle applied to touts, away fans and anyone else who just fancied checking out a game So what? You are basically asking for Purity tests as you want to restrict memberships. As I’ve explained basically every club in the league has a membership whereby it’s a pre requisite to be a member to buy tickets. Personally speaking I’m against that fans should be able to buy tickets without this additional tax. Truthfully, if our matches weren’t sell outs every week would you feel the same way? You wouldn’t care right because why would you? I think lobbying for a stadium which can accommodate all fans regardless of being a lifetime supporter or not is something we can both get behind in this case Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 That’s a silly question though, none of this would matter if we had enough tickets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) 1 hour ago, r0cafella said: So what? You are basically asking for Purity tests as you want to restrict memberships. As I’ve explained basically every club in the league has a membership whereby it’s a pre requisite to be a member to buy tickets. Personally speaking I’m against that fans should be able to buy tickets without this additional tax. Truthfully, if our matches weren’t sell outs every week would you feel the same way? You wouldn’t care right because why would you? I think lobbying for a stadium which can accommodate all fans regardless of being a lifetime supporter or not is something we can both get behind in this case No. I'm not asking for a purity test. I don't even know what that means And of course we wouldn't care about tickets getting into the hands of genuine fans rather than touts / tourists / away fans if we didn't sell out every week That's like going into the kit thread and telling them they wouldn't feel the same way about Adidas designs if we were still with Castore Edited June 7 by bobbydazzla Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrone Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Been mentioned before, and maybe it was more down to lack of interest, but memberships were always "capped" in a way as they were only on sale for a set amount of time. imo it is better to have this on sale period, say until the end of August, than to have them available all season long, as hopefully that would help deter the "away" fans and touts. As for the ballot, a lot of people, on here as well as in general, started last season saying how much better and more fair the new system is, and that slowly changed to the point most thought it was crap. Being selfish I'd hope they went back to the old stickman at 10am Thursday, but that's not going to happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tross Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 36 minutes ago, patrone said: Been mentioned before, and maybe it was more down to lack of interest, but memberships were always "capped" in a way as they were only on sale for a set amount of time. imo it is better to have this on sale period, say until the end of August, than to have them available all season long, as hopefully that would help deter the "away" fans and touts. As for the ballot, a lot of people, on here as well as in general, started last season saying how much better and more fair the new system is, and that slowly changed to the point most thought it was crap. Being selfish I'd hope they went back to the old stickman at 10am Thursday, but that's not going to happen Miss this gadgie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 I think it was Kieran Maguire who said recently that clubs were moving towards reducing the number of season rickets as they were more interested in the day trippers as they would spend more money in the shop and ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) Memberships either out on Friday or more info dropping then Edited June 11 by Jack27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilcline Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 10 minutes ago, Jack27 said: Memberships either out on Friday or more info dropping then Be interesting to see what the extra cost is for "Mags+" and what it gets you, to take Spurs as an example their plus option is a tenner more, extra 24 hours access to tickets, vouchers and a spot on the ST waiting list Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBG Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Anyone else already disappointed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack27 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 9 minutes ago, TBG said: Anyone else already disappointed? I imagine people are already calling for the head of Silverstone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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