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[ponsaelius]

I think it should be played a bit later and basically allow it to be effectively the pre-season for the UEFA clubs (as intertoto was for us) would make more sense. Maybe a Eurocentric view admittedly.

[Yorkie]

Boil it down to literally just the football and a 32-team Club World Cup is absolutely a fun thing to have, and totally justifiable in the context of football being a global game. This one has just been delivered in such an ugly and almost unprofessional way. Even the broadcasting seems semi-pro; for example I've counted three times one of the comms has done a big cough, clearly not knowing they're already back on air. Ads always seem to cut-off the pre/post-amble.

 

I'm not complaining (because it's free) but it's one example of how the whole thing has that feeling of being hastily thrown together. 

[ponsaelius]

It's been planned for a while tbf. Not really any excuse for it to be so slapdash from a production point of view. 

 

My only other bugbear is the inclusion of Auckland City. They're clearly the only completely non competitive outfit, which is inevitable given they're entirely amateur. Including an Oceania team is tokenistic and silly. Theres a pro team in Auckland that plays in the Aussie A-league that would batter them (plus one in Wellington). 

 

Think the OFC champions should have to play off against an Asian team and/or the NZ A-League sides first. Gives them participation, without actually having to have a team there getting battered stupidly.

 

 

Edited 7 hours ago by ponsaelius

[tgarve]

17 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

It's been planned for a while tbf. Not really any excuse for it to be so slapdash from a production point of view. 

 

My only other bugbear is the inclusion of Auckland City. They're clearly the only completely non competitive outfit, which is inevitable given they're entirely amateur. Including an Oceania team is tokenistic and silly. Theres a pro team in Auckland that plays in the Aussie A-league that would batter them (plus one in Wellington). 

 

Think the OFC champions should have to play off against an Asian team and/or the NZ A-League sides first. Gives them participation, without actually having to have a team there getting battered stupidly.

 

 

 

Why not just let them have the moment and the money and the fun. Would be a great moment for these players despite the results

[Yorkie]

13 minutes ago, ponsaelius said:

It's been planned for a while tbf. Not really any excuse for it to be so slapdash from a production point of view. 

 

My only other bugbear is the inclusion of Auckland City. They're clearly the only completely non competitive outfit, which is inevitable given they're entirely amateur. Including an Oceania team is tokenistic and silly. Theres a pro team in Auckland that plays in the Aussie A-league that would batter them (plus one in Wellington). 

 

Think the OFC champions should have to play off against an Asian team and/or the NZ A-League sides first. Gives them participation, without actually having to have a team there getting battered stupidly.

 

 surely not your only other bugbear? There's a lot to dislike about the competition. 

 

I kinda don't mind about Auckland though I agree with everything you say. It's just quite fun watching whipping boys get mercilessly pasted sometimes.

[Toon1984]

2 hours ago, Maggies said:

I think their season is still running, and this will be a big tournament for them.

 

European clubs are finished for season and most players don’t want to be there.

 

My money would be on a Brazilian team to win the whole thing.

The season in Brazil is less than half way through and being the world club champion has always been a massive thing in Brazil (they are perplexed/don’t believe as to why noone gives s f*ck about it in Europe.

The South American teams have a large advantage due to the timing of this tournament but they are also used to playing a lot more football (believe it or not) than European teams.

[JNK]

17 minutes ago, Toon1984 said:

The season in Brazil is less than half way through and being the world club champion has always been a massive thing in Brazil (they are perplexed/don’t believe as to why noone gives s f*ck about it in Europe.

The South American teams have a large advantage due to the timing of this tournament but they are also used to playing a lot more football (believe it or not) than European teams.

 

Well, about the advantage, the oposite has also been true for decades, in the anual intercontinental cup, south american teams would arrive after a 70+ matches season for the tournament while europeans would be mid-season.

 

People will always find excuses, honestly, all bad details aside, I'm just glad to have a "world cup" for clubs like this, this should be really fun for anyone who loves football, specially if this becomes a long living cup

 

EDIT: My team lost the final that gave Flamengo this spot, Fucking dumb CB dived from behind at a Flamengo player on the sideline and got a red card out of nowhere, cost us that game 

 

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by JNK

[Toon1984]

5 minutes ago, JNK said:

 

Well, about the advantage, the oposite has also been true for decades, in the anual intercontinental cup, south american teams would arrive after a 70+ matches season for the tournament while europeans would be mid-season.

 

People will always find excuses, honestly, all bad details aside, I'm just glad to have a "world cup" for clubs like this, this should be really fun for anyone who loves football, specially if this becomes a long living cup

 

 

 

 

 

I agree, it should be but doesn’t appear to be.

All the best South American players play for European clubs so it’s clear the timing of the tournament is important.

I was thinking yesterday, why aren’t northern and southern hemisphere league seasons made to coincide. Would it be so bad for European teams to play through the whole summer and have the off season during their winter?

[JNK]

14 minutes ago, Toon1984 said:

I agree, it should be but doesn’t appear to be.

All the best South American players play for European clubs so it’s clear the timing of the tournament is important.

I was thinking yesterday, why aren’t northern and southern hemisphere league seasons made to coincide. Would it be so bad for European teams to play through the whole summer and have the off season during their winter?

I honestly don't agree with "all" the best, we have talents like Estevão, Arrascaeta, Igor Jesus, and even Raphael Veiga that would start for most prem teams, also, Palmeiras right now is a more expensive team than Porto for example and they don't come close to Flamengo in money,  Argentinians like Boca and River will always be tough on "Catimba" and grit alone, but the top BR teams would contend for Europe in most of the top 5 leagues. 

 

BTW, Fluminense is a joke in Brazil, they had a lucky spell under Diniz, they also are famous for being relegated on the pitch but not on the league, Botafogo is more of a joke than Tottenham/Arsenal in Brazil in the sense that they just choke everytime since garrincha, they broke that spell last year  

 

EDIT: About the calendar, I would LOVE for FIFA to unify it, there has been discussion in making seasons in Brasil like the european ones for at least over a decade

 

EDIT: I'm a few pints in, sorry for the bad grammar, not my first language

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by JNK

[Toon1984]

Não tem problema!

 

Estevão is now a Chelsea player I believe, Veiga is 30 and I don’t think De Arrescaeta’s that young. 
Some good players in Brasil don’t adapt well to Europe and those that do tend to be in Spain. Look at Gerson - plays really well for Flamengo but only lasted a season at (was it?) Olympiakos.

There are some exceptions  thankfully - big Joe, Bruno and, hopefully playing for us soon: João Pedro!!

[Ameritoon]

Shit fake tournament and a shit idea tbh, it's just unworkable even if every federation were on the same page and schedule.

 

Instead we're going to run some of the most talented players in the world into the ground so a few thousand people can watch them run around NFL stadiums during Midwestern summers.

[Disco]

1 hour ago, JNK said:

I honestly don't agree with "all" the best, we have talents like Estevão, Arrascaeta, Igor Jesus, and even Raphael Veiga that would start for most prem teams, also, Palmeiras right now is a more expensive team than Porto for example and they don't come close to Flamengo in money,  Argentinians like Boca and River will always be tough on "Catimba" and grit alone, but the top BR teams would contend for Europe in most of the top 5 leagues. 

 

BTW, Fluminense is a joke in Brazil, they had a lucky spell under Diniz, they also are famous for being relegated on the pitch but not on the league, Botafogo is more of a joke than Tottenham/Arsenal in Brazil in the sense that they just choke everytime since garrincha, they broke that spell last year  

 

EDIT: About the calendar, I would LOVE for FIFA to unify it, there has been discussion in making seasons in Brasil like the european ones for at least over a decade

 

EDIT: I'm a few pints in, sorry for the bad grammar, not my first language

 

 

 

Igor Jesus and some other fella I can’t remember are off to Forest allegedly. Seems like they’re really tapping into the Brasilero. Interested to see how he gets on. 

Can’t help that think that the tournament is going to distort South American competitively further given the prize money. We’ve already seen more and more clubs from Brazil going deep in the Libertadores and Sudamericana as they have the financial advantage whereas back in the it was a little bit more of a lottery who’d make the final stages. 

[Mike]

They're toying with bringing back the totty cam in this competition. We are so back.

[Hovagod]

5 hours ago, Toon1984 said:

I agree, it should be but doesn’t appear to be.

All the best South American players play for European clubs so it’s clear the timing of the tournament is important.

I was thinking yesterday, why aren’t northern and southern hemisphere league seasons made to coincide. Would it be so bad for European teams to play through the whole summer and have the off season during their winter?

Yes, no football during winter would be complete shit.