r0cafella Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 I think FFP is pretty much done. Chelsea have given the blueprint in how to game it. Weather it's selling your hotel, your women's team your training ground, your car park or trading your youth players a way out exists. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 23 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Yes I'm aware of that. I thought he was referring to vital in terms of compliance. Not getting in the CL this season just means our progress is slowed down. Ultimately as long as PIF are fully invested in this we are fine. Oh, then we are on the same page. I do think not getting CL will mean this team will get broken up at some point. After two years without CL, Isak and Tonali should want to leave. If not this summer, next summer is more likely. If we lose out to Villa, they will begin consolidating themselves as a CL regular with their squad. Qualifying this year is vital for us to kick-on with this current squad. I agree, the most important thing is PIF's continued investment and commitment. Again, CL is likely to help keep them excited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 17 minutes ago, r0cafella said: I think FFP is pretty much done. Chelsea have given the blueprint in how to game it. Weather it's selling your hotel, your women's team your training ground, your car park or trading your youth players a way out exists. I still don't think we'll do those things. No rumours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Oh, then we are on the same page. I do think not getting CL will mean this team will get broken up at some point. After two years without CL, Isak and Tonali should want to leave. If not this summer, next summer is more likely. If we lose out to Villa, they will begin consolidating themselves as a CL regular with their squad. Qualifying this year is vital for us to kick-on with this current squad. I agree, the most important thing is PIF's continued investment and commitment. Again, CL is likely to help keep them excited. Unless our asking prices come down (they shouldn't) I don't see anyone willing to meet them. Im not concerned about us losing our stars this summer which gives us another go at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 A lot will depend on what punishment they negotiate with UEFA. More will follow if they are toothless Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 52 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Unless our asking prices come down (they shouldn't) I don't see anyone willing to meet them. Im not concerned about us losing our stars this summer which gives us another go at it. I don't think we'll lose them this summer, but without CL, can we meaningfully build on what we have? The project's momentum would feel different imo. If I'm either of them - there's 2 years on the contracts in 2026. I'm looking to move on. Qualify for the CL, strengthen the squad close to what we did the last time we had real money to spend - it makes last season look like a blip on what is a turbo-charged trajectory. If we can do that, with a bit of luck, we could start to look beyond fighting for 4th. Qualify for Europa or worse - it's a slower build. Can't invest to the same degree. Not as attractive to players. We'll also probably need a sale to rebuild meaningfully in 2026. So another season of having a poorer squad or not signing top quality players (most likely). "gives us another go at it" - it's another go at qualifying for CL with a thin squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sima Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 There is no suggestion that Hazard, who instead joined Chelsea that summer, was aware of the demand by his agent or has been involved in any wrongdoing. Bet they couldn't put those millions in his pocket quick enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Quote That has the balancing effect of requiring Newcastle to reduce the cost of acquiring Vlachodimos to zero, enabling us to see just how much they ‘spent’ on a goalkeeper they had little footballing need for. The answer is galling: Vlachodimos’ cost in the club’s books came to £22.8m. That puts him 12th on the list of Newcastle’s most expensive signings. He has played just 45 minutes of a Carabao Cup tie against AFC Wimbledon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 3 minutes ago, Menace said: Aye as I mentioned at the time, we made a horrendous deal to meet ffp. 15m for Anderson is nuts when Arsenal got 40m for smith Rowe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 The Vlach must have the best job in the world. Didn't he reject a move in January too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 15 minutes ago, Menace said: The Vlach must have the best job in the world. Didn't he reject a move in January too? Yeah I think he did. We can get rid on loan at best I think. We will struggle to give him away. Wonder if we could ship him off to Saudi for 20m and claim market value as it's what we paid haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 He’s a Greek international, we surely can get £5m-£10m from somewhere? Anderson deal is always painful for me, but at least it’s been redeemed with the cup win. The trade off for the pain there worth it. Regarding earlier post about PIF commitment, after the cup win I’m even more settled into happy for this to be a 5-10 journey to the league. The approach we’re taking to signings is great, not been chasing mercenaries and been signing players we all love and enjoy, and when they do eventually move on it’s going to be on good terms because they’re giving their all on the pitch each time, and that’s all I want. Keep the same ethos going, the journey will be enjoyable and the cup monkey is off our backs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 I'm more pragmatic about losing Elliot Anderson, tbf. Sure, the deal being tied in with the Greek lad and all last minute reeked of panic. Was, possibly, the final nail in the Amanda/Merghad coffin, figuratively speaking. However, Anderson viewed himself as a CM. I know that for a fact. He was never going to get the starts he needed to develop. He's gone to a club with a system and a manager that has allowed him, nay pushed him to, thrive. Could've gone the other way and hindsight is a great thing. I'm chuffed for him, hope he gets an FA Cup and CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 minute ago, Groundhog63 said: I'm more pragmatic about losing Elliot Anderson, tbf. Sure, the deal being tied in with the Greek lad and all last minute reeked of panic. Was, possibly, the final nail in the Amanda/Merghad coffin, figuratively speaking. However, Anderson viewed himself as a CM. I know that for a fact. He was never going to get the starts he needed to develop. He's gone to a club with a system and a manager that has allowed him, nay pushed him to, thrive. Could've gone the other way and hindsight is a great thing. I'm chuffed for him, hope he gets an FA Cup and CL. Not hand wringing about losing Anderson, he would have got ample game time though this season imo. Big Joe picks up a few knocks and Wilock has looked well off the pace. The issue is we made what was frankly a horrible deal at least the others were trading academy players so might actually be of some value. We got us a 4th choice keeper on a decent salary who we are stuck with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: Not hand wringing about losing Anderson, he would have got ample game time though this season imo. Big Joe picks up a few knocks and Wilock has looked well off the pace. The issue is we made what was frankly a horrible deal at least the others were trading academy players so might actually be of some value. We got us a 4th choice keeper on a decent salary who we are stuck with. He may have had the odd start but at Forest he's 1st pick alongside Gibbs-White. His rise has been somewhat meteoric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Didn't even realise Willock's played 28 games this season. In an ideal world we shift Willock/Vlach to Saudi and invest that in a new CM. With a new CM and Miley we'll have decent cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 52 minutes ago, r0cafella said: Not hand wringing about losing Anderson, he would have got ample game time though this season imo. Big Joe picks up a few knocks and Wilock has looked well off the pace. The issue is we made what was frankly a horrible deal at least the others were trading academy players so might actually be of some value. We got us a 4th choice keeper on a decent salary who we are stuck with. Yea, easy to forget he was getting quite a few minutes last season too than the injury halted things. Otherwise there’s a very high chance he would’ve made CM he’s own IMO. All history now, but maybe he can come back in the future Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fak Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6227789/2025/04/25/aston-villa-finances-champons-league-wage-bill-losses/ Full piece in the latest BookKeeper series in The Athletic about Aston Villa's finances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 1 minute ago, Fak said: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6227789/2025/04/25/aston-villa-finances-champons-league-wage-bill-losses/ Full piece in the latest BookKeeper series in The Athletic about Aston Villa's finances. Will be reading this on the train home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groundhog63 Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 18 minutes ago, Sibierski said: Yea, easy to forget he was getting quite a few minutes last season too than the injury halted things. Otherwise there’s a very high chance he would’ve made CM he’s own IMO. All history now, but maybe he can come back in the future There's absolutely zero chance he would've made CM his own. Zero. Ahead of Bruno or Tonali? Maybees the odd game on the left but he doesn't want to play LM. Forest play an entirely different style of football and it suits him to a tee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Anderson has needed first team football to develop into the player he's now looking. A few sub appearances for us doesn't see him improve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Butcher Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 Knew he never would get a proper chance here after starting the first league game on the bench after being our best player in pre-season. It's a shame he left, but trophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 41 minutes ago, Shearergol said: Anderson has needed first team football to develop into the player he's now looking. A few sub appearances for us doesn't see him improve. Agreed. It’s been an excellent move for him. Happy for him. We got the worst deal of all the FFP shenanigans by far. Sold our 2 brightest youngsters for decent to bad fees. Poor prep but we also don’t have a saleable squad. Miley needs first team football too. I would send him out on loan and get in a cheap cover player like Villa did with Barkley + a first teamer like they did with Onana. Gives us 5 good options for 3 positions and allows Miley to get regular playing time. Include a recall in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janpawel Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 52 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Agreed. It’s been an excellent move for him. Happy for him. We got the worst deal of all the FFP shenanigans by far. Sold our 2 brightest youngsters for decent to bad fees. Poor prep but we also don’t have a saleable squad. Miley needs first team football too. I would send him out on loan and get in a cheap cover player like Villa did with Barkley + a first teamer like they did with Onana. Gives us 5 good options for 3 positions and allows Miley to get regular playing time. Include a recall in January. Deffo agree on the loan Would you sell 1 or both of Longstaff and Willock in this instance? As we'd have too many CM's doing this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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