Match Atmosphere

[Wallsendmag]

1 hour ago, NUFC91 said:

 

What's interesting is arguably the 2 best away ends this season, Man city in cup and Chelsea both dropped to really low points and both allowed for a lot more you get fans to attend.

 

Maybe we should go down the city route and do a ballot for younger fans so a generation isn't locked out.

 

Should just go back to the old way. It's been as bad as lot's of us predicted. If 54 year old Dave who has had a ST for 35 years and had only amassed 6 loyalty points up until October 2021 can't get a ticket then that's his tough shit. The players getting proper support away from home is more important than the likes of him suddenly deciding that he fancies away games.

 

Up until the 90s all your ST guaranteed was all home games at a preferable rate than if you bought match by match, plus priority for home cup games. Away games weren't part of the deal and why should the be? Then the ST culture appeared, clubs decided they wanted as much cash as possible up front, and preference for attending away games became an additional incentive.

 

At one time we were always known for our loud and passionate support away from home. Remember our first season in the PL in 93/94. Fans didn't travel in the numbers they do these days and people hadn't seen anything like it. The likes of Everton didn't come close to filling their 2k allocation in the Gallowgate corner for example. Even Arsenal would give us 5,500 tickets because we'd fill the Clock Stand at Highbury for them and make a hell of a racket. Nobody else got that off them. Last couple of years we've turned into just another generic, passive away support, no different to the likes of Chelsea or Villa etc. Quite sad really.

 

 

Edited May 14 by Wallsendmag

[bobbydazzla]

4 hours ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

Should just go back to the old way. It's been as bad as lot's of us predicted. If 54 year old Dave who has had a ST for 35 years and had only amassed 6 loyalty points up until October 2021 can't get a ticket then that's his tough shit. The players getting proper support away from home is more important than the likes of him suddenly deciding that he fancies away games.

 

Up until the 90s all your ST guaranteed was all home games at a preferable rate than if you bought match by match, plus priority for home cup games. Away games weren't part of the deal and why should the be? Then the ST culture appeared, clubs decided they wanted as much cash as possible up front, and preference for attending away games became an additional incentive.

 

At one time we were always known for our loud and passionate support away from home. Remember our first season in the PL in 93/94. Fans didn't travel in the numbers they do these days and people hadn't seen anything like it. The likes of Everton didn't come close to filling their 2k allocation in the Gallowgate corner for example. Even Arsenal would give us 5,500 tickets because we'd fill the Clock Stand at Highbury for them and make a hell of a racket. Nobody else got that off them. Last couple of years we've turned into just another generic, passive away support, no different to the likes of Chelsea or Villa etc. Quite sad really.

 

 

 

 

Just as big a problem is 54 year old Dave who has had a season ticket for 35 years and is sitting on hundreds of loyalty points because he accumulated them 20 years ago and these days he rarely goes away but can still get a ticket for any away game he wants.

 

Why's he still allowed to be top of the heap. 

 

 

 

Edited May 14 by bobbydazzla

[Wallsendmag]

13 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Just as big a problem is 54 year old Dave who has had a season ticket for 35 years and is sitting on hundreds of loyalty points because he accumulated them 20 years ago and these days he rarely goes away but can still get a ticket for any away game he wants.

 

Why's he still allowed to be top of the heap. 

 

 

 

 

 

But it isn't a problem. Our away ends were generally great prior to the rule changes. They're utter shit now. That's the actual problem that we're talking about here which is why it's being discussed in the matchday atmosphere chat. The rule was changed because people who never had any interest in attending away games suddenly decided they wanted to, let's not kid ourselves otherwise.

 

The number one priority is that the team gets maximum support away from home. That doesn't happen anymore because too many of the silent crew who sit on their hands at home games are now able to do the same at away games.

 

Should have kept it as it was and kept back 10% of the allocation exclusively for under 25s to enable them to build points if they so wished.

[bobbydazzla]

44 minutes ago, Wallsendmag said:

 

But it isn't a problem. Our away ends were generally great prior to the rule changes. They're utter shit now. That's the actual problem that we're talking about here which is why it's being discussed in the matchday atmosphere chat. The rule was changed because people who never had any interest in attending away games suddenly decided they wanted to, let's not kid ourselves otherwise.

 

The number one priority is that the team gets maximum support away from home. That doesn't happen anymore because too many of the silent crew who sit on their hands at home games are now able to do the same at away games.

 

Should have kept it as it was and kept back 10% of the allocation exclusively for under 25s to enable them to build points if they so wished.

 

Tickets need to get into the hands of people who want to make a racket. And I'm strongly in favour of that being done by legitimate means, not black market.

 

And in general, the people who want to make a racket are younger and dafter. And they can't get tickets legitimately unless they had a season ticket in 2021.

 

Either of the 54 year old Dave’s should be making way for the new generation.

 

Dave hoarding 100's of points from decades ago so they can get to an away of their choosing each season, or the other Dave going to an away game just to sit on his hands are both fundamental problems caused by a flawed system.

 

Let the youngins get the tickets. 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 14 by bobbydazzla

[Earp]

On 13/05/2026 at 13:34, Curva Sud Milano said:

 

Maybe I explained myself poorly. There are 9,000 ultras in the second tier of San Siro and the person who has to get these 9,000 to sing can't be heard by everyone without an amplified microphone...but it's only his voice that's amplified not the chants (besides not being technically possible, it would be ridiculous to amplify the chants).

Just remove ST entitlement to away tickets. A guaranteed seat for home games is enough.

[Earp]

Just now, Earp said:

Just remove ST entitlement to away tickets. A guaranteed seat for home games is enough.

sorry replied to the wrong response - obviously a suggestion for away ticket availability

[Wallsendmag]

59 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Tickets need to get into the hands of people who want to make a racket. And I'm strongly in favour of that being done by legitimate means, not black market.

 

And in general, the people who want to make a racket are younger and dafter. And they can't get tickets legitimately unless they had a season ticket in 2021.

 

Either of the 54 year old Dave’s should be making way for the new generation.

 

Dave hoarding 100's of points from decades ago so they can get to an away of their choosing each season, or the other Dave going to an away game just to sit on his hands are both fundamental problems caused by a flawed system.

 

Let the youngins get the tickets. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The only way you'd do that is to take away ST privileges for away games altogether. As season tickets are pretty much a closed shop and away tickets are only available to them, the age profile of your ST holders naturally rises, and by association so does the average age of your away supporter. You can already see that happening at away games. Far fewer young dafties at away games compared to pre 2021 and far more middle aged who don't get as excitable. 

 

That's why, if support to the team is the most important factor then the old way was the best way.

[Superior Acuña]

The old way locked out the young dafties and radgies officially, but they managed to get tickets unofficially. I agree it's changed for the worse, but also think the old system that allowed older ST holders to hoard points and not allow youngins to build up points also prob needed to change. I'm not sure what the solution is. There should be a way for people to get on the points ladder, and a way for youngins to get in that doesn't depend on the whim of point hoarders, that harvest points off those kids so they can pick and choose any game they want.

[Hovagod]

36 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

The old way locked out the young dafties and radgies officially, but they managed to get tickets unofficially. I agree it's changed for the worse, but also think the old system that allowed older ST holders to hoard points and not allow youngins to build up points also prob needed to change. I'm not sure what the solution is. There should be a way for people to get on the points ladder, and a way for youngins to get in that doesn't depend on the whim of point hoarders, that harvest points off those kids so they can pick and choose any game they want.

Refresh every couple of years?

[bobbydazzla]

47 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said:

The old way locked out the young dafties and radgies officially, but they managed to get tickets unofficially. I agree it's changed for the worse, but also think the old system that allowed older ST holders to hoard points and not allow youngins to build up points also prob needed to change. I'm not sure what the solution is. There should be a way for people to get on the points ladder, and a way for youngins to get in that doesn't depend on the whim of point hoarders, that harvest points off those kids so they can pick and choose any game they want.

 

This is exactly what I think.

 

Youngins only being able to get away cos they go on Swifty's bus, or know someone who gets harvested tickets from someone who stopped going away years ago but still has loads of points might be effective for atmosphere, but it's both fundamentally flawed and unfair.

 

Get more youngins into away games via legitimate means even if they don't have an ST. And also stop people hoarding points if they no longer go away.

That'd be two things I'd immediately address.

 

 

[Chicken Dancer]

As someone who’d probably get a ticket if we ever miraculously made a CL final, I’m genuinely in favour of reform.

 

Nowt wrong with doing it on a rolling basis imo. 

[KennyUtd]

57 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

As someone who’d probably get a ticket if we ever miraculously made a CL final, I’m genuinely in favour of reform.

 

Nowt wrong with doing it on a rolling basis imo. 

Steady now.

[OCOCOL]

On 13/05/2026 at 09:34, Doctor Zaius said:

Away ends sound fucking tragic these days. Not sure if im likely to ever get away again, but I cant say im champing at the bit for a ticket if the reports on here and social media are to be believed. 

European games were good cos tte daft lads knew there’d be no ticket checks.

 

Ill never forgive NUST and True Faith for making what wasn’t a closed shop now a closed shop 

[jack j]

4 hours ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

This is exactly what I think.

 

Youngins only being able to get away cos they go on Swifty's bus, or know someone who gets harvested tickets from someone who stopped going away years ago but still has loads of points might be effective for atmosphere, but it's both fundamentally flawed and unfair.

 

Get more youngins into away games via legitimate means even if they don't have an ST. And also stop people hoarding points if they no longer go away.

That'd be two things I'd immediately address.

 

 

There was a group of lads who were probably late teens behind me at forest. Spent the whole game whinging their tits off at the team/ howe and barely joined in with the few songs being sang. 

 

Give me the radge younguns who used to go on Swifty's bus any day....

 

 

[bobbydazzla]

13 minutes ago, jack j said:

There was a group of lads who were probably late teens behind me at forest. Spent the whole game whinging their tits off at the team/ howe and barely joined in with the few songs being sang. 

 

Give me the radge younguns who used to go on Swifty's bus any day....

 

 

What I’m saying is make it easier for the lads who would have gone on Swifty’s bus to get tickets, but they should be on their own tickets not having to rely on using 2nd hand ones from people farming out their tickets and sitting on hundreds of points but not going away.

 

Makes me wonder how the kids next to you at Forest are getting tickets if they’re late teens. If they’re on their own tickets they must have had season tickets since they were 14 at the oldest and will have been taken to the match by parents probably.
 

Decent chance their parents do nowt but piss and moan at the match, so monkey see monkey do.  

 

 

 

 

Edited May 14 by bobbydazzla

[Big River]

the young lads I see at the match these days are more interested in wearing stone island, supping a bottle of dark fruits on the concourse and watching their accas fail to come in. games gone man

[ryanegg]

Just spike Dave's pre-match pint and we should get a few songs out of him.

[bobbydazzla]

21 minutes ago, Big River said:

the young lads I see at the match these days are more interested in wearing stone island, supping a bottle of dark fruits on the concourse and watching their accas fail to come in. games gone man

Minge, binge and a whinge  

[jack j]

16 hours ago, Hovagod said:

Refresh every couple of years?

Even if you refresh every few years there won't be many younger fans getting in due to the age of most our season ticket holders..aka the ones who didn’t fancy it 6 years ago

 

You'd be better off giving 50% to members/general sale in the age bracket of 16-25 

[geordiesteve710]

On 14/05/2026 at 07:12, NUFC91 said:

 

What's interesting is arguably the 2 best away ends this season, Man city in cup and Chelsea both dropped to really low points and both allowed for a lot more you get fans to attend.

 

Maybe we should go down the city route and do a ballot for younger fans so a generation isn't locked out.

This would solve a lot of problems both now and in the future.

 

Unfortunately the club's position is that it's age discrimination and therefore illegal despite other clubs doing the exact same thing.

 

Hard not to think what they mean is "there's no extra revenue in it so we can't be arsed."

[Wallsendmag]

Many PL clubs offer an away allocation to members. Chelsea for example go 60/40 ST holders/Members. The high demand games on a points basis (their members get the opportunity to accrue points) and lower demand is a free for all, log on at 10am and take your chances type of thing.

 

This way would stop the current closed shop approach and would also allow youngsters, many who can't get on the ST ladder, a chance to watch NUFC on the road.

 

Watching NUFC away in my teens and 20s was where I had my best experiences and now my most favourite memories. Sad that so many other youngsters are being denied the chance to do the same.

 

 

Edited May 15 by Wallsendmag

[bobbydazzla]

52 minutes ago, geordiesteve710 said:

This would solve a lot of problems both now and in the future.

 

Unfortunately the club's position is that it's age discrimination and therefore illegal despite other clubs doing the exact same thing.

 

Hard not to think what they mean is "there's no extra revenue in it so we can't be arsed."

 

It's effectively age discrimination against young people saying only people with a season ticket can apply for away game tickets. Given season tickets haven't been on sale for 5 years.

 

Anyone in their late teens or early 20's is locked out of away games unless an adult bought them a season ticket and took them to games pre-2021.

 

And it's effectively age discrimination against young people allowing middle aged blokes to sit on away points they accumulated 20 year ago even if they no longer go away.

 

The club's position is fucking ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 15 by bobbydazzla

[Groundhog63]

19 hours ago, Earp said:

Just remove ST entitlement to away tickets. A guaranteed seat for home games is enough.

 

What about The East Stand Away Army?

 

[Nucasol]

22 minutes ago, Groundhog63 said:

 

What about The East Stand Away Army?

 

Me: How long have you been sitting in the East Stand for?

 

Doris: 

[HaydnNUFC]

13 hours ago, Big River said:

the young lads I see at the match these days are more interested in wearing stone island, supping a bottle of dark fruits on the concourse and watching their accas fail to come in. games gone man

 

Though I do think a lot of younger lads will sing their hearts out and be crackers on the concourse pre game so by the time they’re up into the seats they’re absolutely knackered and don’t make half as much noise when it’s actually needed.