54 Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 (edited) Can you class Chelsea's transfer strategy as strengthening? They have so many players now they don't have enough seats in their changing room Leicester fans also didn't overly like Maresca, and I can see that blowing up if they have a dodgy start. Man United have strengthened, but their are still question marks of them, they don't necessarily have the fire power to match other teams, and again if they have a poor start, their manager will get sacked causing a Mini crisis. Aston Villa are going to have the same issue we had last season, admittedly I class their manager as elite, but I wouldn't be surprised if they drop a few places due to the sheer amount of games they'll be playing. Liverpool, they have a Klopp shaped hole they need to fill, and we've seen on numerous occasions how hard it is for someone to replace a club legend be that Moyes replacing Fergie, or Emery replacing Wenger, so their are question marks around them. Tottenham had a really poor end to the season last year, and their tactics and high line got exposed by every half decent team the played, it doesn't seem like they've rectified that. Personally it also feels like Ange is match box ready to blow. This isn't to say I do or don't think we'll finish top 5, more that there are a fair few clubs that also have questions that need answers, so it's quite hard to predict who finished were at this point. We definitely have a chance though. Edited August 15, 2024 by 54 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 (edited) I just think even if we failed a top 6 finish this season, and need to sell all the purple patches, we should continue to have patience and let the club to reinvest our next generations. As long as the club is ambitious and challenging, we would be fine. I expect us to finish 6th btw. Edited August 15, 2024 by Zero Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 2 minutes ago, 54 said: Can you class Chelsea's transfer strategy as strengthening? They have so many players now they don't have enough seats in their changing room Leicester fans also didn't overly like Maresca, and I can see that blowing up if they have a dodgy start. Man United have strengthened, but their are still question marks of them, they don't necessarily have the fire power to match other teams, and again if they have a poor start, their manager will get sacked causing a Mini crisis. Aston Villa are going to have the same issue we had last season, admittedly I class their manager as elite, but I wouldn't be surprised if they drop a few places due to the sheer amount of games they'll be playing. Liverpool, they have a Klopp shaped hole they need to fill, and we've seen on numerous occasions how hard it is for someone to replace a club legend be that Moyes replacing Fergie, or Emery replacing Wenger, so their are question marks around them. Tottenham has a really poor end to the season last year, and their tactics and high line got exposed by every half decent team the played, it doesn't seem like they've rectified that. Personally it also feels like Ange is match box ready to blow. This isn't to say I do or don't think we'll finish top 5, more that there are a fair few clubs that also have questions that need answers, so it's quite hard to predict who finished were at this point. We definitely have a chance though. Genuine question - does Klopp class as a legend at Liverpool? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 Just now, TheBrownBottle said: Genuine question - does Klopp class as a legend at Liverpool? He has to be, truly amazing manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: Genuine question - does Klopp class as a legend at Liverpool? I mean he’s not won as much as you’d expect, but he’s clearly a legend to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 Just now, ExiledGeordie said: Pope and Willock staying fit and Tonali’s return could be huge. I think Kelly will prove to be an excellent acquisition too. Barnes & Murphy missed 10-12 games each, too. For a spell at the same time so we were flogging Gordon & Almiron for a while. It might happen again but it'd be bloody unlucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 15 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: Genuine question - does Klopp class as a legend at Liverpool? Why wouldn’t he ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 2 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Why wouldn’t he ? They’re English football’s most successful club - and Klopp’s trophy haul with them can be counted on one hand. He’d be a legend on Tyneside - but he’s not a Ferguson or a Wenger, nor is he a Shankly or a Paisley Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KetsbaiaIsBald Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 The last minute psr deadline weekend dealings and the impact that could have had on shows were willing to gamble to the last minute to get what we want. Hopefully the same applies to the real transfer deadline and we do eventually see some movement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 1 minute ago, TheBrownBottle said: They’re English football’s most successful club - and Klopp’s trophy haul with them can be counted on one hand. He’d be a legend on Tyneside - but he’s not a Ferguson or a Wenger, nor is he a Shankly or a Paisley Guess it's like the whole Andy Murray thing. He's a British legend who would have won loads more in any other era. Klopp's the same with Liverpool imo. Just unlucky to come across the best team of the last 20 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: They’re English football’s most successful club - and Klopp’s trophy haul with them can be counted on one hand. He’d be a legend on Tyneside - but he’s not a Ferguson or a Wenger, nor is he a Shankly or a Paisley The league was nowhere near as competitive when either Liverpool had their run or Man Utd from the 90’s on. Which nullifies your point. The fact they won anything while City have bought and broken rules to dominate strengthens his case in my opinion. I grew to detest him but I can’t deny that he’s one of the best managers the league has ever had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 Yeah. Klopp came across as a massive prick by the end. But his points hauls and ability to regularly compete on all fronts was very impressive. Imagine that 5-6 year run or whatever it was when City and them were always battling it out right until the end of the season. Would have been boring as fuck and City walking it every year by 15-20 points or more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 5 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: They’re English football’s most successful club - and Klopp’s trophy haul with them can be counted on one hand. He’d be a legend on Tyneside - but he’s not a Ferguson or a Wenger, nor is he a Shankly or a Paisley There are very few clubs who would have a manager win the League title and the Champions League and not qualify as a club legend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sushimonster85 Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 8 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: They’re English football’s most successful club - and Klopp’s trophy haul with them can be counted on one hand. He’d be a legend on Tyneside - but he’s not a Ferguson or a Wenger, nor is he a Shankly or a Paisley To be honest, I think that's more down to running into the City juggernaut than anything else. And with these charges against them it could be that this time period in PL football will always come with an *. Don't get me wrong, he became a bigger cunt the longer he was there, but I do think he count's as a legend for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 (edited) 15 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said: They’re English football’s most successful club - and Klopp’s trophy haul with them can be counted on one hand. He’d be a legend on Tyneside - but he’s not a Ferguson or a Wenger, nor is he a Shankly or a Paisley They're only that because of the two managers you mentioned, and that's in their entire history tbf. Anyone that wins the Champions League and Premier League is going to be a legend, especially after a 20 or 30 odd year wait. They see Rafa as a legend as well. Edited August 15, 2024 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 Transfer rumours thread reaching 'is Klopp a Liverpool legend' stage of tumbleweed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 I think we’re screwed in terms of challenging for Europe one of 3 or 4 players gets an injury of a few months. Schar especially, but also Bruno, Pope and Isak. It’s a huge gamble not getting a CB imo, as I think not qualifying for Europe pretty much guarantees we lose Isak, Bruno and Gordon next year, and it’s a total rebuild. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 How empty is our window if Klopp talk is in our transfers rumours thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis H Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 Bowen has just been appointed club captain at West Ham. The 0.1% chance of him coming here has gone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 36 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: They're only that because of the two managers you mentioned, and that's in their entire history tbf. Anyone that wins the Champions League and Premier League is going to be a legend, especially after a 20 or 30 odd year wait. They see Rafa as a legend as well. Aye, that’s fair enough. Genuinely wasn’t sure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 4 minutes ago, Ellis H said: Bowen has just been appointed club captain at West Ham. The 0.1% chance of him coming here has gone. I don’t think we have genuine interest on him anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 47 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said: The league was nowhere near as competitive when either Liverpool had their run or Man Utd from the 90’s on. Which nullifies your point. The fact they won anything while City have bought and broken rules to dominate strengthens his case in my opinion. I grew to detest him but I can’t deny that he’s one of the best managers the league has ever had. The league is less competitive today than ever - Man City just became the first club to win four in a row. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 I feel like the league overall is pretty competitive, just not for the title. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 Can't wait for Saturday so we have football to talk about. I think positivity will come back in. Some of the negativity (on twitter) in particular around the window is mental right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 15, 2024 Share Posted August 15, 2024 Yeah, can't wait for the season, should be class. Transfer windows are always painful, even when we make signings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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