Harvey Barnes

[joeyt]

9 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said:

Are Transfer Checker reliable or are they just wannabe ITKs?

 

I assumed they were wannabes but then someone put them in Tier 1 or 2 in the reliability thread so assumed they must be better than I thought

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, nemtizz said:

It hasn't even been a week.

 

That's months to Dan Ashworth. He's so tiny, he basically lives in dog years. 

[LFEE]

30 minutes ago, simonsays said:

Not at all.  Selling a player who is amortized helps to balance the books even if you are bringing in a replacement for a similar fee

I understand that but for squad depth and strength that would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. If we had 4-5 ASM level players on the bench then yes I agree you need to sacrifice one for FFP and replace and start a new FFP cycle each year until our turnover greatly improves. However this season just like last season wasn’t for a FA Cup run our bench isn’t strong enough now adding 6 minimum European games as well as two domestic cups and a top 5 charge.

[Guest]

Robbing Peter Beardsley to pay Paul Bracewell? What's going on there like. Sounds like you're ITK, should share that on twitter. 

[Lish007]

34 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

 

If this is true, he's brighter than Maddison. I like the fact that he may have told his club that we are his top destination. Takes bargaining power out as they know he won't accept going anywhere else. 

 

I hope it's true, I can actually see Barnes being a hit here. And fits in well with our squad. Imagine him being as fit as the rest of them... 

 

 

Edited July 10, 2023 by Lish007

[Hanshithispantz]

28 minutes ago, joeyt said:

 

I assumed they were wannabes but then someone put them in Tier 1 or 2 in the reliability thread so assumed they must be better than I thought

 

 

 

Kev Lawson seems to rate them too.

[PauloGeordio]

2 hours ago, andycap said:

I think there's numerous players in our squad the management would sell if a great offer comes in. Maxi will be the most obvious one with his injury record. But I do think baldy is just hoying maxi and the Barnes rumour together for clicks. 

This. Turd in the bath boom! Sit back and watch the show. 

[The Prophet]

Transfer Checker is one of the only genuine ITKs on Twitter. Posts a lot fluff these days to keep the clicks rolling in though.

 

It's not really much different to what we already know  though.

 

 

Edited July 10, 2023 by The Prophet

[jackflap]

Feels like I'm always expecting ASM to explode and have a spectacular season but it doesn't happen. If you took him out of the equation last season I'm not sure it looks that different. Barnes on the other hand guarantees you goals and goals translate to points.

 

I see people refer to needing ASM's dribbling skills against a low block but the evidence from last season doesn't bear that out for me. Thought some of his worst performances were in those types of games where teams had numbers back and funnelled him down dead ends. Even in games where we struggled to score we still got into promising positions inside the box but lacked the quality to take advantage of them. Barnes has made a career out of getting himself into those positions and making it count.

 

If you look at other top teams you don't see many examples of enigmatic maverick players like ASM, top coaches favour percentage players that they can rely upon.

[timeEd32]

2 hours ago, LFEE said:

I understand that but for squad depth and strength that would be robbing Peter to pay Paul. If we had 4-5 ASM level players on the bench then yes I agree you need to sacrifice one for FFP and replace and start a new FFP cycle each year until our turnover greatly improves. However this season just like last season wasn’t for a FA Cup run our bench isn’t strong enough now adding 6 minimum European games as well as two domestic cups and a top 5 charge.

 

If we sign Barnes and sell Maxi our bench is already greatly improved from the beginning of last season. Defensively is where it needs some serious help.

 

Wilson

Gordon / Miggy

Willock

Longstaff

Murphy

Anderson

Targett

Lascelles

[Myleftboot]

44 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

 

If we sign Barnes and sell Maxi our bench is already greatly improved from the beginning of last season. Defensively is where it needs some serious help.

 

Wilson

Gordon / Miggy

Willock

Longstaff

Murphy

Anderson

Targett

Lascelles

Don’t think Willock should be on the bench.

[Matt1892]

Selling ASM will free up a lot more than what we will be spending on Barnes and I would rather do that than consolidating with what we have.

 

same goes for Almiron and Wilson.

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, Matt1892 said:

Selling ASM will free up a lot more than what we will be spending on Barnes and I would rather do that than consolidating with what we have.

 

same goes for Almiron and Wilson.

I think Barnes will go for more than ASM.

[timeEd32]

2 minutes ago, Myleftboot said:

Don’t think Willock should be on the bench.

 

I don't want him to be. I made a previous post about how that's my least favorite part of the potential Barnes signing.

 

If you put him in this imaginary XI then Joelinton or Barnes is on the bench. Either way the point stands that our bench is much better than it was a year ago.

[Shak]

I think their price tags will be similar enough but that frees up an awful lot of FFP room this year.

[LFEE]

1 minute ago, Matt1892 said:

Selling ASM will free up a lot more than what we will be spending on Barnes and I would rather do that than consolidating with what we have.

 

same goes for Almiron and Wilson.

You don’t sell your best players that embody the spirit of the club all in one window ?

 

Have some patience with this squad build.

[MrRaspberryJam]

2 hours ago, Hanshithispantz said:

 

 

 

Kev Lawson seems to rate them too.

great. Has he done a 40 tweet thread yet with numerous diagrams nobody understands on how Barnes will be an invaluable asset to Nufc against teams who employ a low block with 6 holding midfielders, 3 cbs, 1 sweeper and a goalkeeper over 6ft?

 

 

Edited July 10, 2023 by MrRaspberryJam

[The Prophet]

2 minutes ago, MrRaspberryJam said:

great. Has he done a 40 tweet thread yet with numerous diagrams nobody understands on how Barnes will be an invaluable asset to Nufc against teams  against who employ a low block with 6 holding midfielders, 3 cbs, 1 sweeper and a goalkeeper over 6ft?

 

 

 

 

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[The Prophet]

If we sell ASM and replace him with Barnes it'll be to free up funds under FFP and add a more functional player to the ranks.

[Matt1892]

3 minutes ago, LFEE said:

You don’t sell your best players that embody the spirit of the club all in one window ?

 

Have some patience with this squad build.

You also don’t stand still while all of the clubs around you are looking to improve, what happens in those circumstances is you go backwards.

 

There is a lag now between what we can spend and the future revenues for when we improve the commercial side, the only way to bridge that is by selling players.

[timeEd32]

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

If we sell ASM and replace him with Barnes it'll be to free up funds under FFP and add a more functional player to the ranks.

Did some rough math here:
 

5 hours ago, timeEd32 said:

 

This tactical alteration thing may have some truth in it, but it also feels way too overblown and quite convenient as there's not really a way to disprove it. He's not Messi and it doesn't matter how good he is if he's not first choice for the manager. Plus, it's not "dumb as fuck" when you do the math:

 

Barnes in: 

£35m fee, 5 year deal - £80k / wk (double current reported wages)

FFP: £7m/yr amortized fee + £4.16m/yr wages = £11.16m/yr

 

Maxi out:

£40m fee

FFP: £40m - remaining £6.75m amortization (estimate based on extension) = £33.25m profit + £3.64m wages saved per year

 

2023/24 - £36.89m in/saved - £11.16m spent = £25.73m profit

2024/25 - £3.64m saved - £11.16m = £7.52m loss

2025/26 - £3.64m saved - £11.16m = £7.52m loss

 

That's a £10.5m profit even looking out to the 25/26 three year period, but that £25m profit is even more important for this season's and next season's three year period given the spending we had to do over the last two years and the lack of salable assets / commercial revenue. 

 

We are going to have to sell players. We are going to have to sell players that are good and other clubs want. 

 

 

[Matt1892]

9 minutes ago, Shak said:

I think their price tags will be similar enough but that frees up an awful lot of FFP room this year.

Even if we could pocket £20 million profit on ASM it potentially frees up £100 million this window. We will need to find another £20 million next year but that should fall in with the profit from Champions League and the adidas deal.

[Matt1892]

2 minutes ago, timeEd32 said:

Did some rough math here:
 

 

 

I know people get attached to players and I understand that completely. However, this is the only way we can continue this level of spending while we grow the commercial side.

[LFEE]

17 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

You also don’t stand still while all of the clubs around you are looking to improve, what happens in those circumstances is you go backwards.

 

There is a lag now between what we can spend and the future revenues for when we improve the commercial side, the only way to bridge that is by selling players.

You don’t sell ASM and your 2 top goal scorers in the same window ??‍♂️ 

 

Who you replacing them with? ?

[Viana]

3 hours ago, joeyt said:

 

 

He’s another one I’m skeptical of. He’s not reporting anything new.

 

I think there are a few tell tales signs for these types of account:

 

- They complain their exclusives are being nicked/not credited. 
- They tend only to get the deals right that are reported elsewhere, and even then, they don’t stray too far from what bigger fish are saying. 
- They usually never reference the fact they are silent on some deals (this guy didn’t know Jack about Tonali until others did.

 

I’m inclined to believe Rob M and The Athletic. The club are putting a lockdown on leaks, and aren’t afraid to use smokescreens or work on multiple deals simultaneously.