Paul Mitchell to leave club by mutual consent at end of June (Official)

[Erikse]

5 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

 

That's a win.

[KaKa]

6 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

 

 

Good.

 

Funny because Man United are still looking for a recruitment specialist to work under him.

 

I wonder why that is.

[Geordie Ahmed]

2 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Good.

 

Funny because Man United are still looking for a recruitment specialist to work under him.

 

I wonder why that is.

 

They wanted Mitchell back in March/April time to work under Ashworth didn't they?

 

So clearly they rate him and his opinion must hold some weight when it comes to recruitment 

[Coffee_Johnny]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

 

He said he was in agreement with their agreed strategy, and worked towards that.

 

That is not distancing himself from blame.

That is one of the things he said. Can’t be arsed to seek it out, but there were other statements and inferences, about just having a supporting role in a pre-existing collaborative strategy, there being an overly narrow focus, him (‘rightly or wrongly’) not interfering in this. Naming Howe as decision maker on Guehi vs. nobody/stick with what we have. Despite contradictory noises earlier about there being other targets. 

He definitely was quoted as saying the strategy was too narrow and (a) not his (b) not one he thought he could influence (c) in context of other comments, suggested Howe had made a bed he’d have to lie in.

 

I just don’t like it. At best he’s been naive. At worst he’s displaying, under minimal ‘first shot across the bows’ pressure, personality traits which do not bode well for his impact on the club. 

[TRon]

3 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

The same reputation maybe, no reason we can't get someone of the same calibre or better.

 

Anyone of the same calibre or better will still want to operate in the same way. We just don't have the turnover to compete with the cartel clubs to invest in the same calibre of players unless our player trading improves.

[KaKa]

6 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

 

They wanted Mitchell back in March/April time to work under Ashworth didn't they?

 

So clearly they rate him and his opinion must hold some weight when it comes to recruitment 

 

Yeah, they were also looking at Freedman.

[Upthemags]

7 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

That is one of the things he said. Can’t be arsed to seek it out, but there were other statements and inferences, about just having a supporting role in a pre-existing collaborative strategy, there being an overly narrow focus, him (‘rightly or wrongly’) not interfering in this. Naming Howe as decision maker on Guehi vs. nobody/stick with what we have. Despite contradictory noises earlier about there being other targets. 

He definitely was quoted as saying the strategy was too narrow and (a) not his (b) not one he thought he could influence (c) in context of other comments, suggested Howe had made a bed he’d have to lie in.

 

I just don’t like it. At best he’s been naive. At worst he’s displaying, under minimal ‘first shot across the bows’ pressure, personality traits which do not bode well for his impact on the club. 

Not really understanding this - there was legitimate uproar from fans, and even journalists, that Mitchell had just overseen one of the most pathetic transfer windows in recent memory.

 

To boot, then Howe came out and said he was not all that involved with transfers, effectively pinning the blame on Mitchell, when, by all other understanding, Eddie was dictating our summer targets in light of the Ashworth departure.

 

Did you think he was just going to fall on the sword 2 months into his new role? He knew what he said would ruffle feathers, but personally I'm glad the lad has the wherewithal to stand up for himself and not be a scapegoat for our window.

[KaKa]

9 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

That is one of the things he said. Can’t be arsed to seek it out, but there were other statements and inferences, about just having a supporting role in a pre-existing collaborative strategy, there being an overly narrow focus, him (‘rightly or wrongly’) not interfering in this. Naming Howe as decision maker on Guehi vs. nobody/stick with what we have. Despite contradictory noises earlier about there being other targets. 

He definitely was quoted as saying the strategy was too narrow and (a) not his (b) not one he thought he could influence (c) in context of other comments, suggested Howe had made a bed he’d have to lie in.

 

I just don’t like it. At best he’s been naive. At worst he’s displaying, under minimal ‘first shot across the bows’ pressure, personality traits which do not bode well for his impact on the club. 

 

Well he's describing what the strategy in place was. 

 

People are looking at it as him dishing out blame, because they've already accepted the narrative of a falling out behind the scenes over targets.

 

At the end of the day he agreed with the strategy and supported it, and so they were all in the same boat.

 

I'm not convinced that internally they were at logger heads. They all even seemed to be in agreement to sit tight and not spend the money if they couldn't land a difference maker for the first team.

 

I expect January will be a continuation of what they were trying to do in the summer. With maybe a few other alternatives being considered.

[Coffee_Johnny]

6 minutes ago, Upthemags said:

Not really understanding this - there was legitimate uproar from fans, and even journalists, that Mitchell had just overseen one of the most pathetic transfer windows in recent memory.

 

To boot, then Howe came out and said he was not all that involved with transfers, effectively pinning the blame on Mitchell, when, by all other understanding, Eddie was dictating our summer targets in light of the Ashworth departure.

 

Did you think he was just going to fall on the sword 2 months into his new role? He knew what he said would ruffle feathers, but personally I'm glad the lad has the wherewithal to stand up for himself and not be a scapegoat for our window.

Don’t think Howe blamed anyone. 
I would expect Mitchell to take the lack of transfer activity firmly on the chin. Perhaps spin the ‘we will not be held to ransom’ line. Emphasise that overspending this window impacts on future windows and vice versa. By all means promise we’ll have a longer list of more ‘budding’ talent in future. But overall give a strong ‘don’t panic’ we’ve got this message. 

 

 

Edited September 8, 2024 by Coffee_Johnny

[KaKa]

4 minutes ago, Upthemags said:

Not really understanding this - there was legitimate uproar from fans, and even journalists, that Mitchell had just overseen one of the most pathetic transfer windows in recent memory.

 

To boot, then Howe came out and said he was not all that involved with transfers, effectively pinning the blame on Mitchell, when, by all other understanding, Eddie was dictating our summer targets in light of the Ashworth departure.

 

Did you think he was just going to fall on the sword 2 months into his new role? He knew what he said would ruffle feathers, but personally I'm glad the lad has the wherewithal to stand up for himself and not be a scapegoat for our window.

 

To be fair to Howe, I'm pretty sure he was refering to being hands off on the day to day negotiations.

 

All of this stuff is just getting misinterpreted by the media.

 

Going forward, it's just not worth them even trying to communicate because it just gets twisted every which way.

[TRon]

23 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Good.

 

Funny because Man United are still looking for a recruitment specialist to work under him.

 

I wonder why that is.

 

Because their recruitment has been recognised as one of almost continuing disaster for years now. This is what can happen when a new manager comes in and demands he signs his own players. If the manager is particularly savvy, it can work, we can look at Klopp where you might point as an example, but I stil think they have a very smart recruitment set up behind the scenes.

 

Currently I see Conte seems to be signing Lukaku at every club he gets work, it doesn't look like particularly good value when it happens either. They are both getting reunited at Napoli now if I'm not mistaken.

[Erikse]

26 minutes ago, Upthemags said:

Not really understanding this - there was legitimate uproar from fans, and even journalists, that Mitchell had just overseen one of the most pathetic transfer windows in recent memory.

 

To boot, then Howe came out and said he was not all that involved with transfers, effectively pinning the blame on Mitchell, when, by all other understanding, Eddie was dictating our summer targets in light of the Ashworth departure.

 

Did you think he was just going to fall on the sword 2 months into his new role? He knew what he said would ruffle feathers, but personally I'm glad the lad has the wherewithal to stand up for himself and not be a scapegoat for our window.

 

Agree. As long as Mitchell is telling the truth about the window and how they worked during it, I really don't mind it. It's just honesty at that point. If Howe doesn't want the truth to come out, maybe he should be consider changing his methods, if he thinks that those methods being revealed in public puts him in such a bad light. If he thinks that his methods are fine, then I don't see him being too annoyed about it.

 

 

Edited September 8, 2024 by Erikse

[Upthemags]

3 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

Don’t think Howe blamed anyone. 
I would expect Mitchell to take the lack of transfer activity firmly on the chin. Perhaps spin the ‘we will not be held to ransom’ line. Emphasise that overspending this window impacts on future windows and vice versa. By all means promise we’ll have a longer list of more ‘budding’ talent in future. But overall give a strong ‘don’t panic’ we’ve got this message. 

 

 

 

I found the honesty from Mitchell very refreshing after a summer of very little communication from the club. I think we were owed honesty after the window, too, and Mitchell realized that.

 

Mitchell, like it or not, is the new boss in town, and he's carving out power for himself and making it clear to all involved, eddie included, that he's the head honcho going forward. Was it the politest way of going about it, or the most respectful of everyone involved? No it wasn't. But thinking he'll take the blame for someone else's targets/strategy is just unreasonable imo.

[Upthemags]

3 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Agree. As long as Mitchell is telling the truth about the window and how they worked during it, I really don't mind it. It's just honesty at that point. If Howe doesn't want the truth to come out, maybe he should be considering changing his methods, if he thinks that those methods being revealed in public puts him in such a bad light. If he thinks that his methods are fine, then I don't see him being too annoyed about it.

 

 

 

Took the words out of my mouth

[McCormick]

I don’t find deflecting blame and management-speak “refreshing” but each to their own.

[robbo_11]

With anything as soon as someone new comes into an organisation they are going to look to make improvements. Last season we were decimated by injuries which resulted in a change of structure to bring in a specialist to look at improving this part of the club. If Botman came back early and was injured then it would be James Bunce getting pelters for allowing that to happen. 

 

Generally the better staff in senior management protect those in roles beneath them, however we've had a summer disrupted by change and come January hopefully those processes are smoother. If something isn't being done in the best way I'd rather someone come in and say that then just agreeing and if we're in the top four in December then holding off this summer might open us up for an exciting 2025.

[Kid Icarus]

Whatever your thoughts on Ashworth - I don't particularly like him - Mitchell's comments were more a reflection on him than those he was throwing under the bus.

 

I find the way people are brushing it off as nothing a bit weird tbh.

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, McCormick said:

I don’t find deflecting blame and management-speak “refreshing” but each to their own.

 

What did you think when Howe set out his stall on what he required when Mitchell came in and Staveley and Ghodoussi left?

[KaKa]

16 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

Because their recruitment has been recognised as one of almost continuing disaster for years now. This is what can happen when a new manager comes in and demands he signs his own players. If the manager is particularly savvy, it can work, we can look at Klopp where you might point as an example, but I stil think they have a very smart recruitment set up behind the scenes.

 

Currently I see Conte seems to be signing Lukaku at every club he gets work, it doesn't look like particularly good value when it happens either. They are both getting reunited at Napoli now if I'm not mistaken.

 

The point was Ashworth isn't that strong on recruitment.

 

This is why they have been looking for a recruitment specialist to work under him.

[Guest]

Dan Ashworth feels slighted? Good, fuck him. Rat

[KaKa]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Whatever your thoughts on Ashworth - I don't particularly like him - Mitchell's comments were more a reflection on him than those he was throwing under the bus.

 

I find the way people are brushing it off as nothing a bit weird tbh.

 

I find the insistence he was throwing people under the bus even weirder.

 

He's far more experienced in recruitment than anyone we've had at Newcastle since the takeover.

 

If he says things need improving he's probably not just talking for the hell of it.

[Kid Icarus]

13 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

I find the insistence he was throwing people under the bus even weirder.

 

He's far more experienced in recruitment than anyone we've had at Newcastle since the takeover.

 

If he says things need improving he's probably not just talking for the hell of it.

It doesn't really take much intuition to see it. I think that's evident in the amount of people all saying the same things about him and what he's said. 

[KaKa]

8 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

It doesn't really take much intuition to see it. I think that's evident in the amount of people all saying the same things about him and what he's said. 

 

Picking and choosing what they want to believe.

 

Ignoring that both men have said communication has been good between the two, and things are good so far.

 

Ignoring that people that were present at the interview said it didn't come across as negative.

 

Instead going with Hope and Edwards narrative, which is rubbished most o of the time on here anyway.

[Kid Icarus]

16 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

Picking and choosing what they want to believe.

 

Ignoring that both men have said communication has been good between the two, and things are good so far.

 

Ignoring that people that were present at the interview said it didn't come across as negative.

 

Instead going with Hope and Edwards narrative, which is rubbished most o of the time on here anyway.

Nah that's (ironically) just a story you've come up with to dismiss it. People have drawn their conclusions from Mitchell's quotes in his interview. Everything else is window dressing 

[KaKa]

26 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

Nah that's (ironically) just a story you've come up with to dismiss it. People have drawn their conclusions from Mitchell's quotes in his interview. Everything else is window dressing 

 

Ha! Of course 

 

Asked about the appointment of Mitchell by BBC Radio Newcastle, Howe said: “The early signs are promising.

 

“So, I think he’s the right person to lead Newcastle United forward. I think he’s got a passion, I think he’ll make good decisions – a very strong decision-maker.

“So yeah, I think it all looks positive.”

 

Mitchell is keen to downplay any suggestion of an ongoing rift between the pair, insisting their relationship is good, and has become even stronger over the course of a testing summer. Howe suggested last week that he has been playing a more “hands-off role” with regard to transfer matters, but Mitchell has painted a different picture of the situation.

 

“Contrary to opinion, we speak every night more or less, and every day a minimum of once, on all different topics," he said. "I think this idea that me and Eddie haven’t spoken all the way through the transfer window is false.

 

"All the way right up to the last minutes, he is fully updated and involved. We speak literally an hour a night. If we aren’t able to physically communicate, we’ll use WhatsApp.

 

"He’ll get regular updates from me - this is happening, this looks like it’s happening, this player is going on loan. We speak one hour every evening if we can’t see each other during the day - this is what has happened today, 'This is where we are with a potential player, where we are with the current exit strategy'. For me, that is a healthy level of communication."