Paul Mitchell

[TRon]

6 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I'm also not really sure why it's a case of backing Howe or Mitchell. Surely the aim is to get them working in tandem, it has the potential to be a formidable partnership.

 

That's how I see it. Howe has done a fantastic job in recruitment so far. So did Mehrdad and Amanada for that matter, but we are moving up a level and it's a specialist job, and presumably one which Mitchell is outstandingly well qualified for. Why not wait to see what he can do before we start assuming he can't work with Howe?

[The Prophet]

Isn't he one of the journalists who've been doing the blowing out of proportion?

 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2024 by The Prophet

[gbandit]

“Cast aspirations” 

 

[TRon]

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

Isn't he one of the journalists who've been doing the blowing out of proportion?

 

 

 

 

Is this the weekly hour long Q&A where they answer about 5 questions in a long-winded but revealing no actual new information way?

[The Prophet]

6 minutes ago, Jack27 said:

Is this the weekly hour long Q&A where they answer about 5 questions in a long-winded but revealing no actual new information way?

 

It is.

[timnufc22]

I think it’s naive to think that if Mitchell & Howe were on the same page and weren’t using the media to fire subtle shots, that Howe wouldn’t have came out with something like this instead -
 

“I think you’re reading something else into that, I’m sure Paul was referring to PSR, the obstacle that it is and how we have to try and tailor our process around that as much as possible. Our record isn’t the transfer market when it comes to actual players signed has been very good, the players we have signed have all been brilliant and served different purposes. Everyone at the club loves them all that are here.”

 

 

Edited September 16, 2024 by timnufc22

[timeEd32]

3 minutes ago, timnufc22 said:

I think it’s naive to think that if Mitchell & Howe were on the same page and weren’t using the media to fire subtle shots, that Howe wouldn’t have came out with something like this instead -
 

“I think you’re reading something else into that, I’m sure Paul was referring to PSR, the obstacle that it is and how we have to try and tailor our process around that as much as possible. Our record isn’t the transfer market when it comes to actual players signed has been very good, the players we have signed have all been brilliant and served different purposes. Everyone at the club loves them all that are here.”

 

 

 

 

If Mitchell was better with words he could and should have said exactly that to begin with.

[Upthemags]

Just now, timeEd32 said:

 

If Mitchell was better with words he could and should have said exactly that to begin with.

Don't think it takes a genius to realize Paul was referring to the strictures of PSR

[timeEd32]

2 minutes ago, Upthemags said:

Don't think it takes a genius to realize Paul was referring to the strictures of PSR

 

I don't disagree, but there's an hour of comments left open to interpretation. I don't even really blame Paul. The biggest failure is with whomever at the club decided that that was the right format to provide answers to how the window went.

[timnufc22]

It seems like mental gymnastics to try and pretend there are alarming signs of director coming in with a over inflated ego, thinking he’s going to ‘sort this out’… it’s not great stuff, I would have thought we as a fan base can clock this kind of stuff more than most considering what we’ve been through. 

 

 

Edited September 16, 2024 by timnufc22

[Upthemags]

Just now, timeEd32 said:

 

I don't disagree, but there's an hour of comments left open to interpretation. I don't even really blame Paul. The biggest failure is with whomever at the club decided that that was the right format to provide answers to how the window went.

I still can't understand the anger that's come out of the fan base from his comments. The short memories of some... Gordon was an acceptance away from lining up for Liverpool this season. Is Mitchell supposed to say the transfer strategy that's directly led to that is all rosy and good? We get enough statements from top brass where they talk out of both sides of their mouth - saying one thing when the direct opposite is the case.

 

Not the point your making I know, but how much more are we going to beat this horse dead? Hoping it won't be a mainstay until the January window.

[cosmic]

Could Howe and Mitchell be staging this whilst giving reporters the drug they are craving for? Whilst bigger stuff is brewing in the background or taking the heat off the of delays of the "imminent" stadium & training ground plans?

[Erikse]

Every single day there are new articles about the Mitchell interview. Reporters are going further and further in trying to twist the interview into something that it wasn't.. The chronicle made an article about how the manager shouldn't be in the presser having to continously answer questions about an interview of his director.. So who is continously asking him those questions, then? Ah, the media! Desperately trying to create drama.

 

 

Edited September 18, 2024 by Erikse

[Joelinton7]

I’m not turning on Mitchell and/or Howe when Hope, Edwards, Waugh or any other two bob hack trying to profit off unsubstantiated hearsay are the actual enemies of this club.

[Boo Boy]

It comes to something when orange face Simon Jordan is the only one talking sense about the Mitchell and Howe narrative.

[macphisto]

On 17/09/2024 at 00:51, Upthemags said:

I still can't understand the anger that's come out of the fan base from his comments. The short memories of some... Gordon was an acceptance away from lining up for Liverpool this season. Is Mitchell supposed to say the transfer strategy that's directly led to that is all rosy and good? We get enough statements from top brass where they talk out of both sides of their mouth - saying one thing when the direct opposite is the case.

 

Not the point your making I know, but how much more are we going to beat this horse dead? Hoping it won't be a mainstay until the January window.

I don't understand people using the example of nearly selling Gordon to illustrate how our strategy wasn't fit for purpose. It was the very same strategy that lead to us buying Gordan in the first place. 

[Holmesy]

2 hours ago, Boo Boy said:

It comes to something when orange face Simon Jordan is the only one talking sense about the Mitchell and Howe narrative.

He spoke absolute sense about Southgate the other day as well. Nailed it!

I might have to stop disliking the self-obsessed prick if he keeps this up

[Colos Short and Curlies]

3 minutes ago, macphisto said:

I don't understand people using the example of nearly selling Gordon to illustrate how our strategy wasn't fit for purpose. It was the very same strategy that lead to us buying Gordan in the first place. 

 

But we didn't buy him to flip him in 18 months, so if that had been the outcome the strategy that allowed us to buy him was ultimately flawed.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

9 hours ago, cosmic said:

Could Howe and Mitchell be staging this whilst giving reporters the drug they are craving for? Whilst bigger stuff is brewing in the background or taking the heat off the of delays of the "imminent" stadium & training ground plans?

 

Nope

[Upthemags]

Just now, macphisto said:

I don't understand people using the example of nearly selling Gordon to illustrate how our strategy wasn't fit for purpose. It was the very same strategy that lead to us buying Gordan in the first place. 

Our stated ambitions, from our owners themselves, was to be the best in the world.

 

The best in the world are not shopping their Salahs, their Haalands, their Sakas, at the eleventh hour to be PSR compliant. We were willing to trade Gordon for Joe Gomez - does that sound like a functional system to you?

 

Identifying Gordon was top class from our management. But PSR is also a game of selling. We've had effectively zero outgoing transfer business save Minteh, and even that almost didn't get done because we waited so late. Perhaps that's because management feels we don't have assets worth selling, or it might be because they've overlooked the importance of funding your business with outgoings.

 

In either case, that is a strategy not fit for purpose of a club that wants to be the very best, and we should be applauding that we finally have someone with the balls to say it.

[andycap]

I cannot believe people and press are trying to make the situation between howe and Mitchell seem like a feud like in a fist full of dollars. 😂 Eales must be clint. 

[timeEd32]

I'm increasingly dying to know the details of summer 2023. It just doesn't make sense at all in hindsight. We were going to buy Pedro in August '22 and then changed course and spent more than double on Isak. Then we bought Gordon in January. We had pushed things to the financial limit and knew we had to make a profit in 2023/24.

 

On the plus side we had SELA starting and Champions League qualification. The unexpected CL money could have been the get out of PSR jail free card, but it almost seems like it became a noose. It's like we felt we had to buy more players and lose no one in order to compete in four competitions and, while I have tremendous sympathy for how the season actually played out, the entire plan seems flawed no matter what is presented as the intended solution. The blame for that has to mostly lie with Eales, Ashworth, and Staveley.

[RodneyCisse]

Anyone know why sky bbc and the rest are running with this civil war theme and a massive amount of unrest?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 minute ago, timeEd32 said:

I'm increasingly dying to know the details of summer 2023. It just doesn't make sense at all in hindsight. We were going to buy Pedro in August '22 and then changed course and spent more than double on Isak. Then we bought Gordon in January. We had pushed things to the financial limit and knew we had to make a profit in 2023/24.

 

On the plus side we had SELA starting and Champions League qualification. The unexpected CL money could have been the get out of PSR jail free card, but it almost seems like it became a noose. It's like we felt we had to buy more players and lose no one in order to compete in four competitions and, while I have tremendous sympathy for how the season actually played out, the entire plan seems flawed no matter what is presented as the intended solution. The blame for that has to mostly lie with Eales, Ashworth, and Staveley.

 

Yeah exactly, we don't know what led us to sail so close to the PSR wind really. Maybe they all just wanted to aim high and assumed they could deal with the income aspect later. 

 

Bad planning however you look at it, but I think when people here our transfer strategy wasn't 'fit for purpose' it hits home strangely when basically every signing has been a complete success. 

 

Anyway, they'll sort it now so I guess future windows will go fine.