Crystal Palace 1-1 Newcastle - 30/11/24

[magorific]

1 hour ago, gjohnson said:

"Howe's going to have to pull this around pretty quickly and the club looks like it's hit the wall in the last 12 months both on and off the park. All momentum that was there has gone, the intensity has gone, the threat we offer is often minimal and our play looks stale and predictable. He needs to find answers quickly or he'll be sacked whether we agree with it or not."

 

We keep saying this, but we're nigh on 18 months of poor and disjointed performances without a sustained good period. Could be time to admit EH has gone as far as he can with us

We ended last season well. Won 7 and drew 2 of our last dozen games, scoring 31 goals.

[hakka]

1 hour ago, midds said:

Didn't manage to see the game but the stats, xG and the opinions I've read tell the story quite well. Sounds like another game where we created virtually nothing and somehow spawned a point out of it and were only 2 minutes away from getting all 3 points. It's just not sustainable in the medium and long terms, playing well and being unlucky suggest it'll turn and the points will come eventually if good performances are maintained. Playing poorly, creating/converting very few chances and dropping points is much harder to put a shine on. 

 

Howe's going to have to pull this around pretty quickly and the club looks like it's hit the wall in the last 12 months both on and off the park. All momentum that was there has gone, the intensity has gone, the threat we offer is often minimal and our play looks stale and predictable. He needs to find answers quickly or he'll be sacked whether we agree with it or not. 

 

I felt for large spells we were calm and in control. I thought a lot came from Hall on the left. Tonali did very well. I think when teams sit deep against us we really don't know how to deal with it, and it can often expose us on the counter. Other than the goal I thought Gordon was poor. Bruno seemed a bit missing. Tino ok-ish, but nothing special. It seems transition in final 3rd teams just know to crowd us out. We don't mix it up with shots from range and our crossing seems very poor. Willock and 

 

I definitely think it's a game where stats make it look worse than it was, but it still wasn't good enough. Palace weren't great but they seemed to have more conviction in attacking space in behind us, especially on the counter. We just ponder around their back line until it breaks down.

 

There is a worry we might be at the beginning of the end for Howe... he did better with worse players.

[BrickTop]

Had to miss the match today - doesn't sound like I should be too annoyed about it.

 

Did Tonali play in the middle and Bruno higher up? If so, how did it look? 

[Displayname]

Just now, BrickTop said:

Had to miss the match today - doesn't sound like I should be too annoyed about it.

 

Did Tonali play in the middle and Bruno higher up? If so, how did it look? 

We looked like shit, but Tonali was great

[Armchair Pundit]

Performances simply haven't been anywhere near good enough for the last two games, embarrassingly so. There shouldn't be any excuses for it either really, if we can't even grind out results, getting goals from elsewhere on the pitch when we don't have an adequate out and out striker, against dogshit teams like Palace and West Ham - it's down to the manager and I really hate having to say that. Whether it's down to Eddie not motivating the players (they've looked far too complacent against lower teams) or whether it's a lack of tactics on his part, I don't know, but a slow start to the season, then a handful of reasonable games against 'better' teams and now back to this level of shit is clearly something that needs sorting sooner than later. I feel like we've stagnated and gone off, particularly since this summer, like all the good work that had been done in the previous two seasons is slowly unravelling, to the point that we're going to need a fresh approach. We don't look invested and we don't look capable, that's something I think the owners are likely to start questioning soon.

 

We're not even doing the basics right for fuck sake, it's sickening.

[Myleftboot]

We’ve always struggled to see a 1-0 out.

[The Butcher]

 

[nemtizz]

Garbage stat account cherry picking stats damn that's crazy

[Ashley17]

I happened to be in Hong Kong today so was able to watch. We are absolutely infuriating, some of our top players just seem confused and indecisive. We do reasonably well until we get about 30 yards from goal and then it’s just a mess. Runs in behind are ignored or seen too late, we never just have a shot, we desperately try to get to the byline for there to be at best 2 players in the middle. 
 

All of that said I thought our game management in the last 10 minutes was very good for once. The ball was at their end for most of it and I thought we had seen Palace off after their decent spell after our goal. Obviously I was wrong.

 

It’s all a mess and quite amateurish at the moment. No idea what our best 11 is and I don’t think Howe knows either. We don’t really press any more for some awful reason but when we did it usually caused Palace to give it away. One of our better performances this season was the Chelsea cup game where we did a lot of that, helped by them of course, but that’s what we should be aiming for.

[Lush Vlad]

14 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

See, when we play badly and win or draw, it's about the performance. When we play well and lose, it's about the result.

 

That was a poor performance and a decent result, so naturally we're all going to talk about the performance rather than the result.

Not even sure what you’re on about here. You’re generalising, as none of this shite appplies to me. The same as your comments about the prediction league (that I don’t play in). Like that should have any bearing on the result and how we played. 
 

So because a depressed bunch of fans predicted a draw or a loss off the back of a shit result against West Ham. That means it’s an ok/decent result? We can’t factor in anything else?
 

Like the fact that we played like a League Two team that have been on the piss all week. The fact that without great last ditch defending, solid goalkeeping (until the end) and shit finishing from them. They would have been out of sight before we scored off our only chance all game.
 

Go on with your myopic views all you want about this being a ‘decent’ result. Maybe that would ring true if we hadn’t just been beaten 2-0 at home by a dreadful West Ham side and we’d put up something close to a performance today and not the utter AIDS we served up. 

You’re just playing Devil’s advocate at this point. That performance was indefensible. I love Howe and it is not all on him. Certain players need a good hard look in the mirror IMO.

 

EDIT: I was pissed last night  may have went a bit OTT. Sorry. But the general point still stands. 

 

 

Edited December 1 by Lush Vlad

[Conjo]

Going through a few threads and its

Howe out, only transitional manager anyway

Isak brittle and not worth £100m+ anymore

Pope lower table quality

Gordon fucking shite and first choice purple to get canned for money

Trippiers influence on squad so high his personal issues are affecting the whole team

 

and we didn't even lose

[Kid Icarus]

9 hours ago, Lush Vlad said:

Not even sure what you’re on about here. You’re generalising, as none of this shite appplies to me. The same as your comments about the prediction league (that I don’t play in). Like that should have any bearing on the result and how we played. 
 

So because a depressed bunch of fans predicted a draw or a loss off the back of a shit result against West Ham. That means it’s an ok/decent result? We can’t factor in anything else?
 

Like the fact that we played like a League Two team that have been on the piss all week. The fact that without great last ditch defending, solid goalkeeping (until the end) and shit finishing from them. They would have been out of sight before we scored off our only chance all game.
 

Go on with your myopic views all you want about this being a ‘decent’ result. Maybe that would ring true if we hadn’t just been beaten 2-0 at home by a dreadful West Ham side and we’d put up something close to a performance today and not the utter AIDS we served up. 

You’re just playing Devil’s advocate at this point. That performance was indefensible. I love Howe and it is not all on him. Certain players need a good hard look in the mirror IMO.

 

EDIT: I was pissed last night  may have went a bit OTT. Sorry. But the general point still stands. 

 

It wasn't about you specifically and it doesn't need to be about one person in-particular to make a point about a wider group of fans who are playing Choose Your Own Adventure. 

 

It seemingly doesn't matter that our poor finishing in otherwise very good performances against Everton, Brighton, West Ham (up to a point) should have seen us run away with it before they could lay a glove on us, it's that we need to focus on the result, or when it went tits up.

 

Then when we get results eg Bournemouth, Wolves, Palace (up to a point) then it's that the performance wasn't good enough, papering over the cracks, should be beating x. 

 

Obviously there's the opposite to this where you only choose the positives, but we're only just into December ffs.  Myopic is projection on that front, I'm personally just not at a point of reviewing our season with 6 months left. I've seen enough over the years to see that time will make a fool of anyone doing that, regardless of how hopeless or in-the-bag a team has it. We're neither.

 

Despite our good/bad dynamic when it comes to results and performances, we're still only 4 points off 3rd and there have been good performances and good results.

 

Yet I'm supposed to sit here on the 1st of December and be up in arms, focus on the negatives, and describe things using the same adjectives I did during the Ashley-era (and undermining everything else I have to say) Why should I? Because that's what being realistic is and if I don't I'm myopic or playing Devil’s advocate?

 

Nonsense, there's nothing wrong with not knowing what will happen, football is unbelievably chaotic, it's the same every season.

 

What I do know though, is what this team is capable of and I know what Howe's capable of. I'm not going to throw away the probability that we'll finish the season well just based on where we are right now, which again, isn't even bad. To me it's obvious what people are playing at when they talk about mid-table or 10th despite that also being 4 points off 3rd in a packed field of other misfiring teams.

 

Performances do need to improve, results do need to improve but I'm much more of the opinion that we need minor changes (mainly improved finishing) than thinking because some performances or results have been below par, that everything needs a fine-tooth comb running through it, x, y, or z is unacceptable, and that huge changes are needed. 

[nufc1892]

17 hours ago, Jonas said:

Think its a standard result for the season were having/going to have. We'll finish upper midtable they'll probably finish lower midtable (though hope they go down), looking back nobody will bat an eyelid at that result it would be that typical. Allowing for forgetting how disjointed a performance and bad a game it was

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[Tsunami]

18 hours ago, The Butcher said:

 

He played like he was shit scared of picking up a yellow card and missing the Liverpool game. I’d have taken him off tbh.

[Ronaldo]

Completely agree. He wasn’t himself at all and tbh I wouldn’t have played him in that game with Liverpool in mind.