St James' Park

[Kanj]

10 minutes ago, Stifler said:

For comparison, this cost about £1bn.

 

 

take a few steps back here —

 

In 2010 they expected it would be about 700m USD, rose to 1b USD, and finally completed at around 1.6b USD. They broke ground in May 2014 and opened in 2017. That stadium cost would be 2-3x that now a days. 
 

The new NFL stadium in Nashville should cost over 2.1b USD. 60,000 seats. 
 

Context here is you need to exclude land cost in a lot of these numbers you see and just look at hard costs.

 

 

Edited October 3, 2024 by Kanji

[bobbydazzla]

4 minutes ago, Monters said:

You may think it's daft but it's cool to have somewhere with the history it has... shame it's been left to rot somewhat but there are good indoor facilities next door as well, would you bulldoze that?

 

I love football, made a living playing it a lifetime ago but the attitude that every other sport doesn't matter really pisses me off to be honest.

 

Last time anything interesting happened there was Guns n Roses in 1992

 

Get Thompsons of Prudhoe down toot suite and bulldoze it

 

 

[Monters]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

 

Last time anything interesting happened there was Guns n Roses in 1992

 

Get Thompsons of Prudhoe down toot suite and bulldoze it

 

 

Awesome

[Big River]

11 minutes ago, madras said:

How big will this wicked little stadium be ?

 

dunno... Stadium 974 had a 44k capacity and that was built out of shipping containers. if they tried hard enough, PIF could get it up to 50k, even if it's "temporary", then reduce it down to something a bit more sensible/feasible once our first team is done with it.

 

9 minutes ago, Monters said:

You may think it's daft but it's cool to have somewhere with the history it has... shame it's been left to rot somewhat but there are good indoor facilities next door as well, would you bulldoze that?

 

I love football, made a living playing it a lifetime ago but the attitude that every other sport doesn't matter really pisses me off to be honest.

 

I'd bulldoze it myself and make you watch

[Keegans Export]

If they want a truly world class stadium that will stand the test of time on the current site, that's not going to be whacking another tier on the East/Gallowgate Stand. You're going to have to gut it, quite possibly demolish entire stands. 

 

Not only does that create a logistical nightmare (how to you house the current ST holders?) but it's also a financial issue. Let's say we lose 10k seats at a time, even at the cheap end that's £500k per home game we're down. That's £10m over 19 home games, not including cup/European games. Our PSR position is going to be precarious as it is without being an extra 8-figure sum down every year.

[Dr.Spaceman]

29 minutes ago, Big River said:

 

still yet to hear a better solution than this

 

I'll take it a step further... buy the club and the stadium. we'll have a proper feeder team, it solves their ownership/stadium issues, and we can have a wicked little temporary stadium after demolishing the daft running track nobody cares about*

 

 

*PIF can build a super athletic stadium somewhere else local if anyones that arsed

 

That would be a nightmare logistically. Shocking transport links, few parking spaces, no amenities nearby other than the Fog on the Tyne and McDonald's. Gateshead struggle with 1.5k, you'd have to do a lot more than simply spruce up the GIS.

 

 

Edited October 3, 2024 by Dr.Spaceman

[Monters]

Just now, Big River said:

 

dunno... Stadium 974 had a 44k capacity and that was built out of shipping containers. if they tried hard enough, PIF could get it up to 50k, even if it's "temporary", then reduce it down to something a bit more sensible/feasible once our first team is done with it.

 

 

I'd bulldoze it myself and make you watch

Phenomenal

[Stifler]

6 minutes ago, Kanji said:

take a few steps back here —

 

In 2010 they expected it would be about 700m USD, rose to 1b USD, and finally completed at around 1.6b USD. They broke ground in May 2014 and opened in 2017. That stadium cost would be 2-3x that now a days. 
 

The new NFL stadium in Nashville should cost over 2.1b USD. 60,000 seats. 
 

Context here is you need to exclude land cost in a lot of these numbers you see and just look at hard costs.

Yeah, inflation is to consider. However this is a state of the art stadium, and opened fairly recently. Considering all this, you would expect that it would mean that £1bn to SJP will be a bit more than a level 7 on the Gallowgate.

[bobbydazzla]

14 minutes ago, Monters said:

Awesome

 

Jog on m8

 

 

 

 

Soz, couldn't resist. No actual offence intended, I'm just being a smartarse making running puns

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[Kanj]

Also I would like the club to release the stadium plan if it’s actually close before Darren steps away, it should be his legacy that he’s undertaken this massive new development (either new or expansion and renovation). 

[Big River]

1 minute ago, Dr.Spaceman said:

That would be a nightmare logistically. Shocking transport links, few parking spaces, no amenities nearby other than the Fog on the Tyne and McDonald's. Gateshead struggle with 1.5k, you'd have to do a lot more than simply spruce up the GIS.

 

 what about strategically placed pneumatic tubes around town that shoot people directly to the stadium? imagine just finishing your pint in the Crows and zzzdumph you're in Gateshead

 

we're working with unlimited resources here (apparently, tight bastards need to pull their finger out), we can think big

[bobbydazzla]

1 minute ago, Big River said:

 

 what about strategically placed pneumatic tubes around town that shoot people directly to the stadium? imagine just finishing your pint in the Crows and zzzdumph you're in Gateshead

 

we're working with unlimited resources here (apparently, tight bastards need to pull their finger out), we can think big

 

this actually happened to me once, think my pint got spiked with a megadose of spice then I got on the wrong Metro at Haymarket

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[Armchair Pundit]

I keep seeing reference to raising and moving the pitch from it's current position, to then realise expanded stands on all sides. Sounds expensive, but awesome if they could do it. Of course, the other question is, where would we play while the work is being done? I'm presuming a stadium share with the mackems.

[bobbydazzla]

4 minutes ago, Armchair Pundit said:

I keep seeing reference to raising and moving the pitch from it's current position, to then realise expanded stands on all sides. Sounds expensive, but awesome if they could do it. Of course, the other question is, where would we play while the work is being done? I'm presuming a stadium share with the mackems.

 

Keep up at the back.....it's already been decided that we're bulldozing Gateshead Stadium and building a 52,000 temporary football stadium on the vacant plot

 

Guns n Roses have been booked to play the opening ceremony

 

 

Edited October 3, 2024 by bobbydazzla

[Dr.Spaceman]

34 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Also I would like the club to release the stadium plan if it’s actually close before Darren steps away, it should be his legacy that he’s undertaken this massive new development (either new or expansion and renovation). 

 

Bring him back to officially open it 

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, Armchair Pundit said:

I keep seeing reference to raising and moving the pitch from it's current position, to then realise expanded stands on all sides. Sounds expensive, but awesome if they could do it. Of course, the other question is, where would we play while the work is being done? I'm presuming a stadium share with the mackems.

I suppose you could do it a step at a time, it would be a nightmare, but its possible. You could even do it without moving if you had somewhere to lob the cunts out the east stand. 

I just think the loss of seats in the milburn and leazes would not be worth it just to gain more on the east stand. 

They could maximise the space between the east stand and milburn by squeezing the new east stand footprint closer to the milburn, obviously this means you can't get international matches but that doesn't seem to bother Liverpool. It's not much space but it would add some gain without going all Rambo on the rest of the ground 

[TRon]

2 hours ago, Whitley mag said:

He’s come to that conclusion from an account with 464 followers, I’d say 1 billion for 10k seats makes a move far more likely.

 

 

 

 

Probably why the club is so slow to release information as well. It's not going to be a universally popular decision to move to a new site, so from their POV might as well let it percolate while people come to terms with the constraints of a rebuild and the impact it would have on our declared aim of being number One.

[Stifler]

23 minutes ago, TRon said:

Probably why the club is so slow to release information as well. It's not going to be a universally popular decision to move to a new site, so from their POV might as well let it percolate while people come to terms with the constraints of a rebuild and the impact it would have on our declared aim of being number One.

Just do an Ashley, announce it as soon as an international break comes around.

 

International break after this weekend.

[Paully]

 

[Guest]

 

[Guest]

https://www.newcastleunited.com/en/news/stadium-plans-discussed-as-fan-advisory-board-reconvenes

 

Update here

 

Quote

The latest Newcastle United Fan Advisory Board (FAB) meeting has taken place between supporters and senior club executives.

The FAB consists of supporter representatives and is a key part of Newcastle United's ongoing commitment to structured, strategic fan engagement.

During Monday's online meeting, a number of representatives from FAB were joined by Chief Operating Officer, Brad Miller, Chief Commercial Officer, Peter Silverstone and senior representatives from the club's supporter services, communications and commercial venue teams.

Peter Silverstone provided FAB members with an insight into the club's growing commercial department, which has added 12 new club partners since last summer, introduced a new website and app, and recently launched the new St. James' STACK, presented by Sela.

At the FAB's request, the club summarised the due diligence process that goes into building out a successful commercial partnership, which is supported by 'big four' professional services firms, and outlined plans to attract even more leading brands to the club's family of partners in future.

STADIUM FEASIBILITY

Brad Miller delivered an in-depth update on the club's stadium feasibility work to FAB members. As part of a comprehensive presentation, the club outlined that the study has now entered a crucial second phase, with more detailed analysis currently taking place to investigate project-related risks and opportunities before a decision stage in early 2025.

Brad said: "This is an exciting but extremely complex project, and I'd like to thank supporters for their patience as we conduct this key phase of the feasibility process.

"We aren't quite at a decision-making stage yet, but we are targeting the early part of 2025 to complete the next essential tasks.

"We know what a transformed St. James' Park would give us and we now have a significant amount of data and feedback on our stadium footprint and surrounding area, so we are several steps forward.

"But it is also clear that this option has several risks associated with it, so we need to fully analyse those risks against the opportunities to reach truly informed and intelligent outcomes.

"We are challenging our appointed design team, and ourselves, to make sure our eventual chosen route delivers a fantastic fan experience - one that represents the fans, city, region and club, and aligns with the long-term ambitions of our ownership group.

"But it must provide an investable return, and not least deliver strong revenue growth to increase our PSR headroom, which, as everyone knows, means we can invest more in football.

"Part of the process is also to understand alternative options so that we see the bigger picture and, again, find the right balance between risk and opportunity. This is a once-in-a-generation investment, so we don't want to look back in years to come, as a club or as a city, and regret an opportunity missed.

"Our objective is to select a scheme that is deliverable, affordable, and sustainable, so we are investing this time to make sure we are only going to spend money on the project where it will make the biggest difference - to fan experience, revenue, competitiveness, investment in football and operational efficiency.

"All this requires a robust process that leaves no stone unturned.”

Representatives of the FAB asked a number of critical questions throughout the presentation relating to the feasibility study, which the club will consider as the decision-making process continues.

Brad continued: "We are very grateful to the members of FAB for taking on board some of the detail behind our reasoning, and we look forward to their continued input as we move this historic project forward in the near future."

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2024 by Jack27

[54]

If there was ever a set of quotes laying down the ground work for a move away from SJP, it's that.

[Guest]

 

rip, so disappointing 

[Shearergol]

Sounds like a new stadium to me.

[The Butcher]

Really fucking exciting if it's a new stadium like.