Nobby Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 quality dive. i thought that too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 The only way to get rid is for retrospective video evidence. Automatic 2 week salary fine (maximum allowed) for first offence, all subsequent offences a 5 match ban and one point deduction for the club in the Premiership. Make the onus on the clubs to stop this. Not gonna happen though. And in the absence of any serious action by the authorities to stamp the problem out, we either get in on the act or we operate at a disadvantage to those who do. Whether we like it or not, that is football, because that is the playing field the authorities are giving us. Cheats prosper. So let's prosper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 i don't like diving - but i honestly don't think duff's dive was quite as blatant as you lot claim. wasn't a penalty - i totally agree, but it wasn't christiano ronaldo stylee either! It was a deliberate, cheating dive. End of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TheOrder Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 The only way to get rid is for retrospective video evidence. Automatic 2 week salary fine (maximum allowed) for first offence, all subsequent offences a 5 match ban and one point deduction for the club in the Premiership. Make the onus on the clubs to stop this. Not gonna happen though. And in the absence of any serious action by the authorities to stamp the problem out, we either get in on the act or we operate at a disadvantage to those who do. Whether we like it or not, that is football, because that is the playing field the authorities are giving us. Cheats prosper. So let's prosper. Exactly. We've been fucked over with dives before. The refs are clamping down on divers. It's their fault if they can't spot them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I hate divers and something needs to be done about it like bans after a review etc but some of the comments in this thread are a little OTT! People will be calling for him to be kicked out of the club next Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wheels Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Lads, I think most of you are being swayed by the way he fell. His thought was on the fall more than anything for obvious reasons as I said before: http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/2005/04/20/story213105839.asp Any other player would have just ran into the keeper, Duff's mind was just on falling properly. It's a psychological thing. I'm not a Newcastle supporter but I know Damien. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Duffs mind was on diving. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I hate divers and something needs to be done about it like bans after a review etc but some of the comments in this thread are a little OTT! People will be calling for him to be kicked out of the club next I dislike his overall attitude though. All he's really given us so far this season is that goal at WHam, and several blasting of the ball into the defenders' thigh followed by whaling and screaming arms aloft for a pen. And the "we've been fucked over so it's our right to get goals like that" stance is just as annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wheels Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 His attitude? Are you serious? Is he purposely playing badly? Get a bloody grip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I hate divers and something needs to be done about it like bans after a review etc but some of the comments in this thread are a little OTT! People will be calling for him to be kicked out of the club next I dislike his overall attitude though. All he's really given us so far this season is that goal at WHam, and several blasting of the ball into the defenders' thigh followed by whaling and screaming arms aloft for a pen. And the "we've been fucked over so it's our right to get goals like that" stance is just as annoying. He's had a very long run of poor form. That's all. I've seen nothing in his attitude, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. As for the stance on diving - as I've already said, that is the game of football in this day and age. Until the authorities do something about it, then we play the game within the boundaries of what they deem is acceptable. You can try and be idealistic if you want, but all around you players will be winning penalties by diving, and we will be losing games that other teams would have won. Fuck that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wheels Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I get the feeling that if it was Martins who fell when the keeper ran out he'd be spared a bit of critisism by a lot. I'm a Celtic fan. A small percentage of the fans are unhappy with Gravesen, the vast majority want to give him time. This is my first time on this forum in months and I'm really suprised at how many people seem to actually hate Duff already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I get the feeling that if it was Martins who fell when the keeper ran out he'd be spared a bit of critisism by a lot. I think you might be right there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I get the feeling that if it was Martins who fell when the keeper ran out he'd be spared a bit of critisism by a lot. I think you might be right there. ANYONE who dives shoudl be punished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teepee Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 i don't like diving - but i honestly don't think duff's dive was quite as blatant as you lot claim. wasn't a penalty - i totally agree, but it wasn't christiano ronaldo stylee either! It was a deliberate, cheating dive. End of. Duffs mind was on diving. you seem awfully certain - are you duff in disquise? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 i don't like diving - but i honestly don't think duff's dive was quite as blatant as you lot claim. wasn't a penalty - i totally agree, but it wasn't christiano ronaldo stylee either! It was a deliberate, cheating dive. End of. Duffs mind was on diving. you seem awfully certain - are you duff in disquise? Have you seen it? He dived. That is deyond dispute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teepee Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 i don't like diving - but i honestly don't think duff's dive was quite as blatant as you lot claim. wasn't a penalty - i totally agree, but it wasn't christiano ronaldo stylee either! It was a deliberate, cheating dive. End of. Duffs mind was on diving. you seem awfully certain - are you duff in disquise? Have you seen it? He dived. That is deyond dispute. see my first comment please - yes i saw it, i just don't completely agree with you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 It was a blatant dive. Surely no one is trying to dispute that?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 i don't like diving - but i honestly don't think duff's dive was quite as blatant as you lot claim. wasn't a penalty - i totally agree, but it wasn't christiano ronaldo stylee either! It was a deliberate, cheating dive. End of. Duffs mind was on diving. you seem awfully certain - are you duff in disquise? Have you seen it? He dived. That is deyond dispute. see my first comment please - yes i saw it, i just don't completely agree with you Don't agree that he deliberately dove (sic??)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 i don't like diving - but i honestly don't think duff's dive was quite as blatant as you lot claim. wasn't a penalty - i totally agree, but it wasn't christiano ronaldo stylee either! It was a deliberate, cheating dive. End of. Duffs mind was on diving. you seem awfully certain - are you duff in disquise? Have you seen it? He dived. That is deyond dispute. see my first comment please - yes i saw it, i just don't completely agree with you Don't agree that he deliberately dove (sic??)? Dived* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I think dove is an Americanism. Dived would do though He did btw. Oops, too late. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jangles Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 He's had a very long run of poor form. That's all. I've seen nothing in his attitude, so I'm not sure what you mean by that. As for the stance on diving - as I've already said, that is the game of football in this day and age. Until the authorities do something about it, then we play the game within the boundaries of what they deem is acceptable. You can try and be idealistic if you want, but all around you players will be winning penalties by diving, and we will be losing games that other teams would have won. f*** that. His attitude seems ok but his form has been poor. Possession was everything at chelsea, if youve been drilled to keep the ball for 3 years then understandably his 1st instinct is to keep ball rather than take his man on, hopefully tonight saw the trend start to change. His lack of games probably hasnt helped. I think the only way to get rid of diving is a retrospective yellow card for every offence, the number of cameras will usually make it easy to determine if there has been contact. It may not sound like much but serial divers will soon pick up 5 yellows and the associated ban . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 I think the only way to get rid of diving is a retrospective yellow card for every offence, the number of cameras will usually make it easy to determine if there has been contact. It may not sound like much but serial divers will soon pick up 5 yellows and the associated ban . I think the refs are scared to book for diving tbh. Booking someone for diving is akin to calling them a cheat, and that is a pretty serious accusation, and I think as a result it's natural for refs to shy away from doing it. I don't have a stat on it obviously, but it's pretty clear that loads more free-kicks/penalties are won by diving than players are booked for diving. Whilst there's an argument that the refs don't always spot the dive, I also think that if they're in two minds they'll give the benefit of the doubt to the player that was "fouled" rather than effectively accuse him of cheating. It's just the easy option, and the referee knows that most of the fury over the decision will be aimed at the player that took the dive, while he gets to shrug his shoulders and say "What can I do? He conned me." All of which is why if they seriously want to sort this problem out, they need to start looking at video evidence and punishing players retrospectively. It's not fair to put all the onus on the refs for levelling the cheating accusation at the player, especially in a game that moves as quickly as it does. One second a player is tearing into the box, you blink, and he's tumbling to the ground. What's the decision? That's a hard call, and the default decision for most refs is probably going to be "Penalty". It's up to the authorities to step in and take the onus away from the referees. But it's not going to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 You could see his reaction after he won the penalty, he wasn't celebrating he was pretty embarrased. Shame, as it ruined his best performance for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 If anything, he could have went down under the initial contact from the defender before reaching the keeper and nothing would have been said. The fact he stayed up and then dived over the keeper is what makes it embarassing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Cheat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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