Glenn Roeder

[Cajun]

Im sure Bellamy would stop the individual mistakes as we would have the ball in the oppostion half for the entire game. As Baggio said, its like Chelsea when they lost Terry, luckily they had enough attacking players to mean it didnt affect them in anyway.

[Baggio]

NE5 you constantly refer to our shortage of strikers and yes, you are correct, we do have a shortage in that department. The point is at least we do have quality up front, yes if they're injured we're snookered, but at the minute the defence is the priority.

 

The fact of the matter is we have NO quality in defence what so ever. We leak goal after goal week in week out, and that's down to the quality of player we have in the particular department. We have no one in the treatment room, no one playing on a regular basis and no one on the bench who can currently solve this problem at present and that's why the issue is so urgent.

 

You talk about the key being keeping the ball but surely the likes of the Bolton and Fulham games show this isn't the issue. In both games we kept the ball for a vast majority of the game but we were robbed of three points due to two careless mistakes at the back.

 

Aswell as this the job of the defence is to win the ball and distribute it into the midfield where it is knocked around. The current defence get the ball at their feet and smash it up field without a thought giving the opposing team the chance to launch another attack, this could be helped with some direction off the coaching staff, but some players you just can't teach.

 

Yes, we need attackers but surely you've got to recognise spending £5 million on another player to address that issue isn't going to be pointless if we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot up the other end. It's an age old problem that hasn't been solved due to chairman and managers who think similar to yourself. If we continue to ignore this problem we'll find ourselves going no where fast.

 

If you don't score goals, you go down. If Martins hadn't started scoring, we would have been in trouble. If he had been injured, we would have been in trouble. If he and Owen don't partner well, or one of them is injured, we are down to the bare bones again next season.

 

If money is tight, what we have is best spent addressing this problem. To be honest, I think the major problem here is that people - who are not admitting it - think the club has a bottomless pit of money because the club with a s**** board has always spent money and they simply do not understand it may not be there and so expect them to just shell out on players regardless.

 

We need a striker, and they cost more than defenders. If we want a good one, then there may be nothign left for a defender, and if this is the case, so be it. They will have to find players for other areas in the free transfer or cut price fee market.

 

 

The point is we DO have a strikers who can score goals, we DON'T have defenders to keep them out. I understand where your coming from but we have two strikers and plenty of midfielders who can and will score goals.

 

The reason we would be in trouble if Martins and co didn't start scoring is because of the current state of the defence, they're shambolic. If we want to progress we're going to have to stop shipping goals with such ease. You can throw as much money as you want at forwards but if your letting goals in by the bucket full at the other end what does it matter?

 

My point is that the defenders are under pressure because of poor possession and movement in front of them !!!!!! The best defenders don't look good under pressure - this is what we have to change

 

Having John Terry at centre half isn't going to stop the people in front of them conceding possession is it ?

 

You do see that most games we play - especially the better sides - they are completely dominating us in midfield aren't they ? And Martins is fighting up front on his own ?

 

 

 

So when Terry was injured for Chelsea earlier in the season and they started shipping goals, was it because his replacement (Belarouz) wasn't good enough or was it Drogba's fault for not holding the ball up enough up front?

 

Can you reply to this please, NE5?

[Mick]

 

such a sweet post. Shame you don't comment on the concept of my last comment. Which I am sure even the stupidest person will see the point of.

 

 

 

Only you can answer that one.

[Guest Bellers]

NE5 you constantly refer to our shortage of strikers and yes, you are correct, we do have a shortage in that department. The point is at least we do have quality up front, yes if they're injured we're snookered, but at the minute the defence is the priority.

 

The fact of the matter is we have NO quality in defence what so ever. We leak goal after goal week in week out, and that's down to the quality of player we have in the particular department. We have no one in the treatment room, no one playing on a regular basis and no one on the bench who can currently solve this problem at present and that's why the issue is so urgent.

 

You talk about the key being keeping the ball but surely the likes of the Bolton and Fulham games show this isn't the issue. In both games we kept the ball for a vast majority of the game but we were robbed of three points due to two careless mistakes at the back.

 

Aswell as this the job of the defence is to win the ball and distribute it into the midfield where it is knocked around. The current defence get the ball at their feet and smash it up field without a thought giving the opposing team the chance to launch another attack, this could be helped with some direction off the coaching staff, but some players you just can't teach.

 

Yes, we need attackers but surely you've got to recognise spending £5 million on another player to address that issue isn't going to be pointless if we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot up the other end. It's an age old problem that hasn't been solved due to chairman and managers who think similar to yourself. If we continue to ignore this problem we'll find ourselves going no where fast.

 

If you don't score goals, you go down. If Martins hadn't started scoring, we would have been in trouble. If he had been injured, we would have been in trouble. If he and Owen don't partner well, or one of them is injured, we are down to the bare bones again next season.

 

If money is tight, what we have is best spent addressing this problem. To be honest, I think the major problem here is that people - who are not admitting it - think the club has a bottomless pit of money because the club with a s**** board has always spent money and they simply do not understand it may not be there and so expect them to just shell out on players regardless.

 

We need a striker, and they cost more than defenders. If we want a good one, then there may be nothign left for a defender, and if this is the case, so be it. They will have to find players for other areas in the free transfer or cut price fee market.

 

 

The point is we DO have a strikers who can score goals, we DON'T have defenders to keep them out. I understand where your coming from but we have two strikers and plenty of midfielders who can and will score goals.

 

The reason we would be in trouble if Martins and co didn't start scoring is because of the current state of the defence, they're shambolic. If we want to progress we're going to have to stop shipping goals with such ease. You can throw as much money as you want at forwards but if your letting goals in by the bucket full at the other end what does it matter?

 

My point is that the defenders are under pressure because of poor possession and movement in front of them !!!!!! The best defenders don't look good under pressure - this is what we have to change

 

Having John Terry at centre half isn't going to stop the people in front of them conceding possession is it ?

 

You do see that most games we play - especially the better sides - they are completely dominating us in midfield aren't they ? And Martins is fighting up front on his own ?

 

 

 

I've seen us run teams into the ground this season with fantastic movement and play in the midfield but we've dropped points due to a defensive errors. They make mistakes whether they're under pressure or otherwise.

 

Yes on occassion the the midfield lose the ball, but if we're going to use your example of John Terry you can see a quality defender can make the difference. When he was injured there was a distinct lack of quality in the Chelsea back line and this had an obvious impact on the amount of goals they shipped. A quality defence can make the difference.

 

Using an example of us against the better sides is really insignificant, they're better than us in every department. Most goals are let in via the midfield losing the ball anyway, it's part of the game. However, that isn't an excuse for our rear guard making the mistakes they do.

[Mick]

The whole squad needs a major overhaul, no part of the team is without its problems. However we have next to no quality in defence despite many numbers whereas in midfield and attack, we do have quality if not low numbers.

 

We need two new full-backs and two new centre-backs, or one if the American succeeds and signs on permanently. We only need one striker and 2 midfielders, so defence is the priority.

 

Exactly, we need to prioritise to strengthen where we are at our weakest, it's not that difficult to work out.

[Baggio]

Why did you delete your post, NE5?

 

Was it because you realised I didn't call Chelsea a club in crisis like you claimed in that post?

[NE5]

NE5 you constantly refer to our shortage of strikers and yes, you are correct, we do have a shortage in that department. The point is at least we do have quality up front, yes if they're injured we're snookered, but at the minute the defence is the priority.

 

The fact of the matter is we have NO quality in defence what so ever. We leak goal after goal week in week out, and that's down to the quality of player we have in the particular department. We have no one in the treatment room, no one playing on a regular basis and no one on the bench who can currently solve this problem at present and that's why the issue is so urgent.

 

You talk about the key being keeping the ball but surely the likes of the Bolton and Fulham games show this isn't the issue. In both games we kept the ball for a vast majority of the game but we were robbed of three points due to two careless mistakes at the back.

 

Aswell as this the job of the defence is to win the ball and distribute it into the midfield where it is knocked around. The current defence get the ball at their feet and smash it up field without a thought giving the opposing team the chance to launch another attack, this could be helped with some direction off the coaching staff, but some players you just can't teach.

 

Yes, we need attackers but surely you've got to recognise spending £5 million on another player to address that issue isn't going to be pointless if we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot up the other end. It's an age old problem that hasn't been solved due to chairman and managers who think similar to yourself. If we continue to ignore this problem we'll find ourselves going no where fast.

 

If you don't score goals, you go down. If Martins hadn't started scoring, we would have been in trouble. If he had been injured, we would have been in trouble. If he and Owen don't partner well, or one of them is injured, we are down to the bare bones again next season.

 

If money is tight, what we have is best spent addressing this problem. To be honest, I think the major problem here is that people - who are not admitting it - think the club has a bottomless pit of money because the club with a s**** board has always spent money and they simply do not understand it may not be there and so expect them to just shell out on players regardless.

 

We need a striker, and they cost more than defenders. If we want a good one, then there may be nothign left for a defender, and if this is the case, so be it. They will have to find players for other areas in the free transfer or cut price fee market.

 

 

The point is we DO have a strikers who can score goals, we DON'T have defenders to keep them out. I understand where your coming from but we have two strikers and plenty of midfielders who can and will score goals.

 

The reason we would be in trouble if Martins and co didn't start scoring is because of the current state of the defence, they're shambolic. If we want to progress we're going to have to stop shipping goals with such ease. You can throw as much money as you want at forwards but if your letting goals in by the bucket full at the other end what does it matter?

 

My point is that the defenders are under pressure because of poor possession and movement in front of them !!!!!! The best defenders don't look good under pressure - this is what we have to change

 

Having John Terry at centre half isn't going to stop the people in front of them conceding possession is it ?

 

You do see that most games we play - especially the better sides - they are completely dominating us in midfield aren't they ? And Martins is fighting up front on his own ?

 

 

 

I've seen us run teams into the ground this season with fantastic movement and play in the midfield but we've dropped points due to a defensive errors. They make mistakes whether they're under pressure or otherwise.

 

Yes on occassion the the midfield lose the ball, but if we're going to use your example of John Terry you can see a quality defender can make the difference. When he was injured there was a distinct lack of quality in the Chelsea back line and this had an obvious impact on the amount of goals they shipped. A quality defence can make the difference.

 

Using an example of us against the better sides is really insignificant, they're better than us in every department. Most goals are let in via the midfield losing the ball anyway, it's part of the game. However, that isn't an excuse for our rear guard making the mistakes they do.

 

I'm not denying the defence makes mistakes, most defences do. In fact a school of thought says that the vast majority of goals are scored as a result of a defensive error, be it bad marking, loss of concentration, giving the ball away cheaply, or whatever.

 

My point is that tactically, as a team, we don't keep possession well. We give the ball away cheaply when pushing forward, we lack support to the front man. [note the singular]. I don;t think comparing us to the better teams is insignificant. I think it is significant, because our goal is to play these clubs and match them or better, when we play these teams and start pushing them back is a sign we are on the right road and setting up the team correctly.

 

Defending starts from the front.

[Guest Bellers]

NE5 you constantly refer to our shortage of strikers and yes, you are correct, we do have a shortage in that department. The point is at least we do have quality up front, yes if they're injured we're snookered, but at the minute the defence is the priority.

 

The fact of the matter is we have NO quality in defence what so ever. We leak goal after goal week in week out, and that's down to the quality of player we have in the particular department. We have no one in the treatment room, no one playing on a regular basis and no one on the bench who can currently solve this problem at present and that's why the issue is so urgent.

 

You talk about the key being keeping the ball but surely the likes of the Bolton and Fulham games show this isn't the issue. In both games we kept the ball for a vast majority of the game but we were robbed of three points due to two careless mistakes at the back.

 

Aswell as this the job of the defence is to win the ball and distribute it into the midfield where it is knocked around. The current defence get the ball at their feet and smash it up field without a thought giving the opposing team the chance to launch another attack, this could be helped with some direction off the coaching staff, but some players you just can't teach.

 

Yes, we need attackers but surely you've got to recognise spending £5 million on another player to address that issue isn't going to be pointless if we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot up the other end. It's an age old problem that hasn't been solved due to chairman and managers who think similar to yourself. If we continue to ignore this problem we'll find ourselves going no where fast.

 

If you don't score goals, you go down. If Martins hadn't started scoring, we would have been in trouble. If he had been injured, we would have been in trouble. If he and Owen don't partner well, or one of them is injured, we are down to the bare bones again next season.

 

If money is tight, what we have is best spent addressing this problem. To be honest, I think the major problem here is that people - who are not admitting it - think the club has a bottomless pit of money because the club with a s**** board has always spent money and they simply do not understand it may not be there and so expect them to just shell out on players regardless.

 

We need a striker, and they cost more than defenders. If we want a good one, then there may be nothign left for a defender, and if this is the case, so be it. They will have to find players for other areas in the free transfer or cut price fee market.

 

 

The point is we DO have a strikers who can score goals, we DON'T have defenders to keep them out. I understand where your coming from but we have two strikers and plenty of midfielders who can and will score goals.

 

The reason we would be in trouble if Martins and co didn't start scoring is because of the current state of the defence, they're shambolic. If we want to progress we're going to have to stop shipping goals with such ease. You can throw as much money as you want at forwards but if your letting goals in by the bucket full at the other end what does it matter?

 

My point is that the defenders are under pressure because of poor possession and movement in front of them !!!!!! The best defenders don't look good under pressure - this is what we have to change

 

Having John Terry at centre half isn't going to stop the people in front of them conceding possession is it ?

 

You do see that most games we play - especially the better sides - they are completely dominating us in midfield aren't they ? And Martins is fighting up front on his own ?

 

 

 

I've seen us run teams into the ground this season with fantastic movement and play in the midfield but we've dropped points due to a defensive errors. They make mistakes whether they're under pressure or otherwise.

 

Yes on occassion the the midfield lose the ball, but if we're going to use your example of John Terry you can see a quality defender can make the difference. When he was injured there was a distinct lack of quality in the Chelsea back line and this had an obvious impact on the amount of goals they shipped. A quality defence can make the difference.

 

Using an example of us against the better sides is really insignificant, they're better than us in every department. Most goals are let in via the midfield losing the ball anyway, it's part of the game. However, that isn't an excuse for our rear guard making the mistakes they do.

 

I'm not denying the defence makes mistakes, most defences do. In fact a school of thought says that the vast majority of goals are scored as a result of a defensive error, be it bad marking, loss of concentration, giving the ball away cheaply, or whatever.

 

My point is that tactically, as a team, we don't keep possession well. We give the ball away cheaply when pushing forward, we lack support to the front man. [note the singular]. I don;t think comparing us to the better teams is insignificant. I think it is significant, because our goal is to play these clubs and match them or better, when we play these teams and start pushing them back is a sign we are on the right road and setting up the team correctly.

 

Defending starts from the front.

 

We aren't going to match these teams by buying more front men though. Think about it, you can have a fantastic midfield and two brilliant strikers, but at some time or other during a game the inevitable event of the forwards giving the ball away will occur, whether it's by carelessness or a quality challange. Then it is up to your defence to deal with the problem, something which our back line doesn't do.

 

You talk about setting up a team being set up correctly, building should always start at the back, then start bringing in your "rolls royce" attackers, that way you have a solid backline and a team which can keep the ball.

 

Defending starts from the front, but if you don't defend at the back then your going to get no where.

[Mick]

 

Can you reply to this please, NE5?

 

It would appear not.

 

He probably doesn't recognise the significance of the "?" as you've used it properly, try leaving a space before it, that might get a response.

 

 

[Baggio]

 

Can you reply to this please, NE5?

 

It would appear not.

 

He probably doesn't recognise the significance of the "?" as you've used it properly, try leaving a space before it, that might get a response.

 

 

 

He did reply mate, he said something about "Chelsea in crisis? even though they are 2nd, in the CL, fa cup and league cup final! " but then he must of realised I didn't say Chelsea were in crises so deleted his post.

[NE5]

 

Can you reply to this please, NE5?

 

It would appear not.

 

He probably doesn't recognise the significance of the "?" as you've used it properly, try leaving a space before it, that might get a response.

 

 

 

Please explain how spending years selling your best players and playing in the 2nd division is the sign of a progressive club, and the same as one who regularly qualifies for europe ?

 

Please explain why Gordon Lee left Newcastle for Everton, and bought current England internationals at Everton but not Newcastle ?

 

Please explain why 3 local lads all wanted to leave Newcastle to win things and further their ambitions in football, and why this does not happen nowadays, despite their being "no difference" to the respective boards who ran the club ?

 

 

[Mick]

 

He did reply mate, he said something about "Chelsea in crisis? even though they are 2nd, in the CL, fa cup and league cup final! " but then he must of realised I didn't say Chelsea were in crises so deleted his post.

 

It must be shit for Chelsea, I'm glad we're not in crisis because we're 2nd.

[NE5]

 

Can you reply to this please, NE5?

 

It would appear not.

 

He probably doesn't recognise the significance of the "?" as you've used it properly, try leaving a space before it, that might get a response.

 

 

 

He did reply mate, he said something about "Chelsea in crisis? even though they are 2nd, in the CL, fa cup and league cup final! " but then he must of realised I didn't say Chelsea were in crises so deleted his post.

 

I guessed the irony of that bit would escape you  ;D

[Mick]

 

Can you reply to this please, NE5?

 

It would appear not.

 

He probably doesn't recognise the significance of the "?" as you've used it properly, try leaving a space before it, that might get a response.

 

 

 

Please explain how spending years selling your best players and playing in the 2nd division is the sign of a progressive club, and the same as one who regularly qualifies for europe ?

 

Please explain why Gordon Lee left Newcastle for Everton, and bought current England internationals at Everton but not Newcastle ?

 

Please explain why 3 local lads all wanted to leave Newcastle to win things and further their ambitions in football, and why this does not happen nowadays, despite their being "no difference" to the respective boards who ran the club ?

 

 

 

 

   

 

Where did that come from ?  What has it to do with the question Baggio asked you ?

 

I've added the spaces for your benefit.

 

 

[Baggio]

Chelsea's Premiership defensive record

 

With John Terry - 9 goals conceded in 18 games

 

Without John Terry - 10 goals conceded in 9 games.

 

Conclusion?

 

They need to replace Drogba with someone who can hold the ball up better.

[Baggio]

 

Can you reply to this please, NE5?

 

It would appear not.

 

He probably doesn't recognise the significance of the "?" as you've used it properly, try leaving a space before it, that might get a response.

 

 

 

He did reply mate, he said something about "Chelsea in crisis? even though they are 2nd, in the CL, fa cup and league cup final! " but then he must of realised I didn't say Chelsea were in crises so deleted his post.

 

I guessed the irony of that bit would escape you  ;D

 

You deleted it  for my benefit! How kind!

[Mick]

Chelsea's Premiership defensive record

 

With John Terry - 9 goals conceded in 18 games

 

Without John Terry - 10 goals conceded in 9 games.

 

Conclusion?

 

They need to replace Drogba with someone who can hold the ball up better.

 

You're learning.

[Mick]

 

You deleted it  for my benefit! How kind!

 

[Cajun]

Chelsea's Premiership defensive record

 

With John Terry - 9 goals conceded in 18 games

 

Without John Terry - 10 goals conceded in 9 games.

 

Conclusion?

 

They need to replace Drogba with someone who can hold the ball up better.

 

[NE5]

 

Can you reply to this please, NE5?

 

It would appear not.

 

He probably doesn't recognise the significance of the "?" as you've used it properly, try leaving a space before it, that might get a response.

 

 

 

Please explain how spending years selling your best players and playing in the 2nd division is the sign of a progressive club, and the same as one who regularly qualifies for europe ?

 

Please explain why Gordon Lee left Newcastle for Everton, and bought current England internationals at Everton but not Newcastle ?

 

Please explain why 3 local lads all wanted to leave Newcastle to win things and further their ambitions in football, and why this does not happen nowadays, despite their being "no difference" to the respective boards who ran the club ?

 

 

 

 

   

 

Where did that come from ?  What has it to do with the question Baggio asked you ?

 

I've added the spaces for your benefit.

 

 

 

longstanding unanswered questions while you work out what a question mark is 

 

A reply would be appreciated. Take your time.

 

 

[NE5]

 

Can you reply to this please, NE5?

 

It would appear not.

 

He probably doesn't recognise the significance of the "?" as you've used it properly, try leaving a space before it, that might get a response.

 

 

 

He did reply mate, he said something about "Chelsea in crisis? even though they are 2nd, in the CL, fa cup and league cup final! " but then he must of realised I didn't say Chelsea were in crises so deleted his post.

 

I guessed the irony of that bit would escape you  ;D

 

You deleted it  for my benefit! How kind!

 

aye, it would be too much for you to understand that losing a goalkeeper, having an unbalanced midfield, trouble behind the scenes ref an underperforming 30m goalscorer and arguments between the manager and the owner had owt to do with it .....

 

2nd in the league, in the European Cup, FA Cup and League Cup Final isn't so bad like  ;D

[Baggio]

 

Can you reply to this please, NE5?

 

It would appear not.

 

He probably doesn't recognise the significance of the "?" as you've used it properly, try leaving a space before it, that might get a response.

 

 

 

He did reply mate, he said something about "Chelsea in crisis? even though they are 2nd, in the CL, fa cup and league cup final! " but then he must of realised I didn't say Chelsea were in crises so deleted his post.

 

I guessed the irony of that bit would escape you  ;D

 

You deleted it  for my benefit! How kind!

 

aye, it would be too much for you to understand that losing a goalkeeper, having an unbalanced midfield, trouble behind the scenes ref an underperforming 30m goalscorer and arguments between the manager and the owner had owt to do with it .....

 

2nd in the league, in the European Cup, FA Cup and League Cup Final isn't so bad like  ;D

 

The majority of the above have been happening all season, it didn't just kick in exactly the same time Terry got injured and conveniently sorted itself the exact same time he came back!

 

The lengths you will go to so you don't have to admit you're wrong is staggering.

 

[NE5]

 

Can you reply to this please, NE5?

 

It would appear not.

 

He probably doesn't recognise the significance of the "?" as you've used it properly, try leaving a space before it, that might get a response.

 

 

 

He did reply mate, he said something about "Chelsea in crisis? even though they are 2nd, in the CL, fa cup and league cup final! " but then he must of realised I didn't say Chelsea were in crises so deleted his post.

 

I guessed the irony of that bit would escape you  ;D

 

You deleted it  for my benefit! How kind!

 

aye, it would be too much for you to understand that losing a goalkeeper, having an unbalanced midfield, trouble behind the scenes ref an underperforming 30m goalscorer and arguments between the manager and the owner had owt to do with it .....

 

2nd in the league, in the European Cup, FA Cup and League Cup Final isn't so bad like  ;D

 

The majority of the above have been happening all season, it didn't just kick in exactly the same time Terry got injured and conveniently sorted itself the exact same time he came back!

 

The lengths you will go to so you don't have to admit you're wrong is staggering.

 

 

except I am not wrong. I'm not arsed about Chelsea, I'm arsed about Newcastle. And I am right.

 

 

[Baggio]

So answer this then...

 

Chelsea's Premiership defensive record

 

With John Terry - 9 goals conceded in 18 games

 

Without John Terry - 10 goals conceded in 9 games.

 

 

Who would you say was to blame for the extra goals conceded while he was out?

 

Belarouz for not being a good enough replacement or Drogba for not holding the ball up enough?

 

It's nothing to do with the unbalanced midfield or Shevchenko as that problem has been there all season so please don't use that as an excuse.

 

Belarouz or Drogba?

[Howaythelads]

We haven't kept a clean sheet in 17 games and a championship side scored 7 against us in 2! How is defence not a priority!?

 

Oh put a cork in it you mithering old goat.  And your mates too.

 

The last 3 or 4 pages are some of the most childish stuff I've read in ages. It makes me cringe.

 

Get a f****** grip.