Baggio Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 So with Big Sam looking favourite to come in, am I the only one to have doubts about the ability to fit Michael Owen into Allardyce's preferred 4-5-1 formation? Will he sacrifice his tried and tested set up just to accommodate him or will he sell him and find players to fit his system? Somethings got to give as we've seen Owen in a 4-5-1 formation for England and he was awful, it was also believed that Benitez wasn't 100% behind a deal to take him back to Anfield as he couldn't play in any other formation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Do you not think Martins & Owen off a targetman (a la Diouf & Anelka with Davies) would work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Its a concern but he'll either go 4-3-3, change tactics or Owen could be off to Manu anyway. I'd be happy with any of the options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 If we play successfull football i dont care who is on the pitch TBF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Do you not think Martins & Owen off a targetman (a la Diouf & Anelka with Davies) would work? I don't think Owen could or would be prepared to play in that position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 So with Big Sam looking favourite to come in, am I the only one to have doubts about the ability to fit Michael Owen into Allardyce's preferred 4-5-1 formation? Will he sacrifice his tried and tested set up just to accommodate him or will he sell him and find players to fit his system? Somethings got to give as we've seen Owen in a 4-5-1 formation for England and he was awful, it was also believed that Benitez wasn't 100% behind a deal to take him back to Anfield as he couldn't play in any other formation. Only he prefers 4-3-3... Davies up top of the three, Anelka and Diouf wide of him, all alteranting roles depending on the score or who they're playing. That's how they lined up against us. Off the ball this becomes a 4-5-1. BTW Houllier played 4-5-1 whith Owen and that was his most prolific spell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 LALALALALALALALALALALALA Long Balllllllllllllllllllllll I hate 4-5-1 more than I hate 4-3-3.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 So with Big Sam looking favourite to come in, am I the only one to have doubts about the ability to fit Michael Owen into Allardyce's preferred 4-5-1 formation? Will he sacrifice his tried and tested set up just to accommodate him or will he sell him and find players to fit his system? Somethings got to give as we've seen Owen in a 4-5-1 formation for England and he was awful, it was also believed that Benitez wasn't 100% behind a deal to take him back to Anfield as he couldn't play in any other formation. Only he prefers 4-3-3... Davies up top of the three, Anelka and Diouf wide of him, all alteranting roles depending on the score or who they're playing. That's how they lined up against us. Off the ball this becomes a 4-5-1. BTW Houllier played 4-5-1 whith Owen and that was his most prolific spell. 4-5-1/4-3-3 are basically the same thing tbh. I don't remember ever seeing Liverpool play a 4-5-1 formation either with Owen as the lone front man, even if they did it still wouldn't have been the long balls for the target man that Big Sam plays at Bolton, Owen was a lot more mobile in those days too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gemmill Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 We've been playing long ball for years now. At least Allardyce knows how to make it work. As someone else said, if we're playing successful, winning football, I'm not arsed who's on the pitch. I'm pretty sure Allardyce will find a place in the side for someone of Owen's calibre though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 I think Bolton are underrated as a football team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rons Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 433 = no wingers or two wingers and only one striker! I hate it I most say :-[ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Anyone think Same will try and make a move for Nolan now then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Anyone think Same will try and make a move for Nolan now then? I'm hoping he'll be aiming for a higher standard of player than Nolan tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 What we really need round about now is for a huge mammoth post by the Shaman/Ian Brown including all things Allardyce to keep us right and think oh now why didn't we think of that as it's so obvious? blueyes.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Here's hoping Big Sam signs Viduka to play the Davies role blueyes.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Here's hoping Big Sam signs Viduka to play the Davies role blueyes.gif And Tevez for the Nolan role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 I think Allardyce would have your team looking something like this: ---------------------Given---------------------- New RB---Taylor-----Ben Haim---New LB ---------------Random African DM------------ ------------Parker-------------Emre------------ Owen--------------Viduka------------Martins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 I reckon he's going to sell Parker, and bring in Nolan and make him captain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 So with Big Sam looking favourite to come in, am I the only one to have doubts about the ability to fit Michael Owen into Allardyce's preferred 4-5-1 formation? Will he sacrifice his tried and tested set up just to accommodate him or will he sell him and find players to fit his system? Somethings got to give as we've seen Owen in a 4-5-1 formation for England and he was awful, it was also believed that Benitez wasn't 100% behind a deal to take him back to Anfield as he couldn't play in any other formation. Only he prefers 4-3-3... Davies up top of the three, Anelka and Diouf wide of him, all alteranting roles depending on the score or who they're playing. That's how they lined up against us. Off the ball this becomes a 4-5-1. BTW Houllier played 4-5-1 whith Owen and that was his most prolific spell. 4-5-1/4-3-3 are basically the same thing tbh. I don't remember ever seeing Liverpool play a 4-5-1 formation either with Owen as the lone front man, even if they did it still wouldn't have been the long balls for the target man that Big Sam plays at Bolton, Owen was a lot more mobile in those days too. It isn't the same, one is rigid designed to stifle the opposition and designed to catch teams on the break, the other is designed to get at the opposition, to pin back defenders (hence forward 3) and much more fluid as it can be rigged to a 4-4-1 off the ball. You try going from 4-4-1 to 4-4-3 during a game and you'll get madness like us against Reading with Martins, Owen, Zoggy and Ameobi all playing forward. As for Liverpool, sure they used it away from home and at home a few times too, with a degree of success. Houllier ironically later changed it to a 4-3-3 or was going to with Kewell and Cisse meant to play wide of Owen, with 3 central midfielders behind them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 If it is Big Sam and he plays the 4-3-3 role, I can't see where Owen will play, unless SA drops the big centre-forward (a role Davies played for Bolton) and plays Owen in that role. If he doesn't and uses Owen wide of the CF, Owen's work rate will have to double and he won't get 20 goals from there that's for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 I think Allardyce would have your team looking something like this: ---------------------Given---------------------- New RB---Taylor-----Ben Haim---New LB ---------------Random African DM------------ ------------Parker-------------Emre------------ Owen--------------Viduka------------Martins Wouldn't surprise me. Would certainly please me. EDIT: Would please me in so much as we would be a much, much better team than we are now. Not saying it's ideal by any means. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 I like the random African DM. Sounds about right. Edit: Unless it's Amdy Faye, ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 Appiah? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 I think Allardyce would have your team looking something like this: ---------------------Given---------------------- New RB---Taylor-----Ben Haim---New LB ---------------Random African DM------------ ------------Parker-------------Emre------------ Owen--------------Viduka------------Martins Emre will be off, and with 3 quality wingers (Milner, Duff, N'Zogbia) it seems a shame to waste them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted May 7, 2007 Share Posted May 7, 2007 I think Allardyce would have your team looking something like this: ---------------------Given---------------------- New RB---Taylor-----Ben Haim---New LB ---------------Random African DM------------ ------------Parker-------------Emre------------ Owen--------------Viduka------------Martins Emre will be off, and with 3 quality wingers (Milner, Duff, N'Zogbia) it seems a shame to waste them Zoggy can play where Emre plays, in fact i think that position would suit him well, and Milner can play where Owen is positioned in that team, he's finding his shooting boots. This also leaves the option of a 442 if ever we need it, without committing to the formation indefinite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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