Allardyce to be given £50m by Ashley - The Times

[ennyoueffsea]

I reckon Vic could get a fair few pages in tbh.

 

 

Aye, just wait till he gets back. 

[Rich]

What a cracking story to go to sleep on but people need to keep their feet on the ground as much as possible, IMO. One of the major things that could potentially cause massive problems for this new "era" is massively inflated fan expectations and I know that for some people it is avoidable, but I genuinely hope the majority of the support can keep their feet on the ground and allow Ashley/Allardyce/Mort/Shepherd and everyone else still at the club the time to make a proper job of this. People crying out for big money buys so soon are perfectly entitled to be overly excited (he's called Optimistic Nut for a reason, you know?) but personally I can't do anything but back Allardyce's decisions at the moment and I have to say I'm delighted with Viduka, Barton and Rozehnal in for Sibierski, Parker and Bramble so far. Baby steps and all that - it's all forward motion right now.

 

We've got what we wanted: a new high-quality manager with a gameplan and a proposed team around him and a new chairman - not to mention apparent oodles of money, an 8,000 seat stadium expansion on the way, more development of the area around the stadium and a new set of shirts to kick it all off with. Things are looking fucking brilliant (at least until the first ball of the season is kicked, that is). Let's just see where the rollercoaster takes us this time and enjoy the ride over the summer.

 

I understand that the wild speculation will only intensify now and that threads linking us with Adriano to Zidane are unvoidable, but I personally agree with the others who have said they hope Big Sam builds a SQUAD, not just a first team. Investment in quality young players is as essential as getting in the right sort of players with the right sort of attitudes - I can't help but think that Ashley will want to make his mark with at least one mega-signing, so I suppose/hope both sides of the debate will be appeased. I certainly wouldn't mind a big name coming in, as long as it wasn't to the detriment of other areas.

 

As it stands we have an apparent senior squad of about 20, not all of whom want to stay/should be allowed to stay/are good enough to stay, there is still a hell of a lot of work to be done on the transfer front before August 31st (hopefully sooner than that this season!) Let's just wait and see what happens before we all go a bit mental and start saying we should be looking at better players than Habib Beye (how much do people actually know about him, anyway?)

 

It's all good from where I sit, things simply cannot be as bad/disorganised/ridiculous as the last three seasons have been.

[Keefaz]

Fuck it. Let's bid £50m for Drogba.

[Alberto2005]

What a cracking story to go to sleep on but people need to keep their feet on the ground as much as possible, IMO. One of the major things that could potentially cause massive problems for this new "era" is massively inflated fan expectations and I know that for some people it is avoidable, but I genuinely hope the majority of the support can keep their feet on the ground and allow Ashley/Allardyce/Mort/Shepherd and everyone else still at the club the time to make a proper job of this. People crying out for big money buys so soon are perfectly entitled to be overly excited (he's called Optimistic Nut for a reason, you know?) but personally I can't do anything but back Allardyce's decisions at the moment and I have to say I'm delighted with Viduka, Barton and Rozehnal in for Sibierski, Parker and Bramble at the moment. Baby steps and all that - it's all forward motion right now.

 

We've got what we wanted: a new high-quality manager with a gameplan and a proposed team around him and a new chairman - not to mention apparent oodles of money, an 8,000 seat stadium expansion on the way, more development of the area around the stadium and a new set of shirts to kick it all off with. Things are looking f****** brilliant (at least until the first ball of the season is kicked, that is). Let's just see where the rollercoaster takes us this time and enjoy the ride over the summer.

 

I understand that the wild speculation will only intensify now and that threads linking us with Adriano to Zidane are unvoidable, but I personally agree with the others who have said they hope Big Sam builds a SQUAD, not just a first team. Investment in quality young players is as essential as getting in the right sort of players with the right sort of attitudes - I can't help but think that Ashley will want to make his mark with at least one mega-signing, so I suppose/hope both sides of the debate will be appeased. I certainly wouldn't mind a big name coming in, as long as it wasn't to the detriment of other areas.

 

As it stands we have an apparent senior squad of about 20, not all of whom want to stay/should be allowed to stay/are good enough to stay, there is still a hell of a lot of work to be done on the transfer front before August 31st (hopefully sooner than that this season!) Let's just wait and see what happens before we all go a bit mental and start saying we should be looking at better players than Habib Beye (how much do people actually know about him, anyway?)

 

It's all good from where I sit, things simply cannot be as bad/disorganised/ridiculous as the last three seasons have been.

[Baggio]

The problem Allardyce will have now is that he hasn't scouted players with a £50 million budget it mind, it seems most of his signings so far are players he would have tried to attract to Bolton.

 

I reckon he has. He's scouted at all levels, he'd be stupid no to anticipate a cash boost with a new oner who's the 25th richest man in the UK.

 

He's not Souness/Rodent you know! 

 

I'm not so sure, he came here without any knowledge of Ashley's takeover (so we're lead to believe) so he would have had a rough idea of who he wanted to bring in with the small budget he'd of had this season off Shepherd, Ashley may now have given him £50 million to spend but he'll be now looking at players he wouldn't have been able to afford either here or at Bolton.

 

How would he have scouted potential players in the off season? He could have cought the last few games of La Liga but that would have been it.

[KaKa]

What a depressing thread ... news that we've got a bit of money and people want us to go splashing out on name players, many of whom we are not certain will even perform in the premiership and who will all be coming because they heard our owner is a billionaire and has money to throw around.

 

It's no wonder Freddy always went for the trophy signing. Looks like he knows us better than we know ourselves.

 

Why don't we let Allardyce bring in players who he knows are good and will get us to where we want to go. he has his techniques for scouting players and it isn't based on how high their transfer price is, so let him do his thing. What's to say Rozehnal won't be the next Vidic, or Beye the next Gallas??? 

 

Wenger has won the Premiership by buying players who were considered nobodies or cheapies but he knew their abilities and he went for them for that reason. Why not let Allardyce do the same thing. He is obviously going for players he knows and players he is confident will get the job done for us.

 

This is not a video game people. I for one am very happy to have a manger who is smart enough to know that a good player isn't necessarily one with a big name and a big price tag. I will continue looking forward to Sam bringing in players who he is confident in regardless of their name or price tag.

[Optimistic Nut]

People go on as if I'm expecting us to win the World Cup or something. Finishing 7th with one or two big signings isn't too much to ask for/expect from Ashley & Allardyce is it?

[Keefaz]

As TheJanitor has alluded to, these quotes we keep hearing from an Ashley 'source' have mentioned a number of times his intent to 'build the biggest and best', etc. As such, I think he will want to sign a high-profile player to boost the club's image and send out a signal. Hopefully, that will be tempered by Allardyce's pragmatism and we'll have a happy medium.

[ohmelads]

I think we're all sick of players coming only for the money, but if someone like Hyypia is coming as backup then he's blatantly here for a pay day.

 

If we sign Hyypia it means we intend to play him every week and if we've got £50m I don't think that would be the most sensible signing. Once you've bought him he's your main man and anyone you sign after becomes backup. With a big transfer kitty I think we could get someone considerably younger who would give the club years of service and continuity, which is the foundation of all successful teams.

[madras]

As TheJanitor has alluded to, these quotes we keep hearing from an Ashley 'source' have mentioned a number of times his intent to 'build the biggest and best', etc. As such, I think he will want to sign a high-profile player to boost the club's image and send out a signal. Hopefully, that will be tempered by Allardyce's pragmatism.

a £20 mill centre half then ?

[Dokko]

The problem Allardyce will have now is that he hasn't scouted players with a £50 million budget it mind, it seems most of his signings so far are players he would have tried to attract to Bolton.

 

I reckon he has. He's scouted at all levels, he'd be stupid no to anticipate a cash boost with a new oner who's the 25th richest man in the UK.

 

He's not Souness/Rodent you know! 

 

I'm not so sure, he came here without any knowledge of Ashley's takeover (so we're lead to believe) so he would have had a rough idea of who he wanted to bring in with the small budget he'd of had this season off Shepherd, Ashley may now have given him £50 million to spend but he'll be now looking at players he wouldn't have been able to afford either here or at Bolton.

 

How would he have scouted potential players in the off season? He could have cought the last few games of La Liga but that would have been it.

 

Na.

 

Think about how long he was in a job here for before the takeover started, then how long until the rumours of cash a injection came about? I'd doubt very much he was back for very long off his holidays, he might of still even been on them when the this all kicked off. He's obviously scouted the French league a lot, and all kinds of level of talent are in there. He'll know his own league inside out, and am sure he has a knowledge database of all types of players going back years from his time at Bolton. Anelka was a big fish, i bet he's got plenty of players of the calibre scouted from his Bolton days, and with constant rumours of our front two going, i'd imaging he'll have an extensive list of strikers ready to go in case we lose them.

 

 

 

 

[Guest optimistic nit]

The problem Allardyce will have now is that he hasn't scouted players with a £50 million budget it mind, it seems most of his signings so far are players he would have tried to attract to Bolton.

 

I'd be very disappointed in him if that's true. I don't think it is mind. If that is the case, we might as well accept mid-table now.

 

 

you have to look at what he was trying to do at bolton though. he was trying to be the 5th best team in england. allerdyce has acknowlaged the extra funds as a reason for signing, so presumably they will affect who he wants. imo i don't think allerdyce has budgeted for 50million. i'm not sure if he can either. allerdyce specialises in finding and signing good players on a cheap budget. we do not yet know how allerdyce operates with a big budget, we will just have to find out.

 

imo i would love it if we spend 15-20million on youth. players like zog and krul, and do an arsenal so to speak. then sell baba and carr, see if we can get 1/2 a mill for them combined, we may be able.

now but 3  more fullbacks. baines would come imo, so would shorey spend maybe 15 million on these 3 players. Solano can cover RB. we now have 17 million to spend (rohzental is signed), and any good youth that we've found. we may have slightly more, if we get the leftover from parkers transfer and obriens transfer. We could then buy another centreback, and look into a creative midfielder. sell owen if he wants to go and get another striker.

[Keefaz]

As TheJanitor has alluded to, these quotes we keep hearing from an Ashley 'source' have mentioned a number of times his intent to 'build the biggest and best', etc. As such, I think he will want to sign a high-profile player to boost the club's image and send out a signal. Hopefully, that will be tempered by Allardyce's pragmatism.

a £20 mill centre half then ?

 

Perhaps not, but maybe for every Giuly or whoever there'll be a couple of Rozehnals, Vidukas etc.

[Dokko]

What a depressing thread ... news that we've got a bit of money and people want us to go splashing out on name players, many of whom we are not certain will even perform in the premiership and who will all be coming because they heard our owner is a billionaire and has money to throw around.

 

It's no wonder Freddy always went for the trophy signing. Looks like he knows us better than we know ourselves.

 

Why don't we let Allardyce bring in players who he knows are good and will get us to where we want to go. he has his techniques for scouting players and it isn't based on how high their transfer price is, so let him do his thing. What's to say Rozehnal won't be the next Vidic, or Beye the next Gallas??? 

 

Wenger has won the Premiership by buying players who were considered nobodies or cheapies but he knew their abilities and he went for them for that reason. Why not let Allardyce do the same thing. He is obviously going for players he knows and players he is confident will get the job done for us.

 

This is not a video game people. I for one am very happy to have a manger who is smart enough to know that a good player isn't necessarily one with a big name and a big price tag. I will continue looking forward to Sam bringing in players who he is confident in regardless of their name or price tag.

 

What a totally patronizing post tbh.

 

 

[Optimistic Nut]

 

What a depressing thread ... news that we've got a bit of money and people want us to go splashing out on name players, many of whom we are not certain will even perform in the premiership and who will all be coming because they heard our owner is a billionaire and has money to throw around.

 

It's no wonder Freddy always went for the trophy signing. Looks like he knows us better than we know ourselves.

 

 

Why don't we let Allardyce bring in players who he knows are good and will get us to where we want to go. he has his techniques for scouting players and it isn't based on how high their transfer price is, so let him do his thing. What's to say Rozehnal won't be the next Vidic, or Beye the next Gallas??? 

 

 

And what's to say they won't be the next Repka & Boumsong then? You say big-names who mightn't make it in the Premiership, who's to say those two will?

[Leazes1986]

 

What a depressing thread ... news that we've got a bit of money and people want us to go splashing out on name players, many of whom we are not certain will even perform in the premiership and who will all be coming because they heard our owner is a billionaire and has money to throw around.

 

It's no wonder Freddy always went for the trophy signing. Looks like he knows us better than we know ourselves.

 

 

Why don't we let Allardyce bring in players who he knows are good and will get us to where we want to go. he has his techniques for scouting players and it isn't based on how high their transfer price is, so let him do his thing. What's to say Rozehnal won't be the next Vidic, or Beye the next Gallas??? 

 

 

And what's to say they won't be the next Repka & Boumsong then?

 

About £5m tells me he won't be the next Boumsong

[Dr. Nguyen Van Falk]

Would like this to be spent on building a squad, something we haven't had much of the past few season.

 

And left over should be spent on youth...

[Rich]

People should also bear in mind that Allardyce quite probably didn't quit Bolton based on a whim, he has always harboured ambitions to move higher up the ladder and has probably prepared himself for that. He doesn't seem like a bloke who would just work at one level and shut his eyes to goings on above and below him, especially where potential recruitments are involved. He paid big bucks for Anelka for Bolton and showed that he isn't averse to spending the money when it becomes available - the cost of Nic for them is absolutely gargantuan when you bear in mind the size of club that they are as well. Bolton spending what they did on Anelka was massive, basically. I'm sure he's well-positioned to do the same for us, although people are probably right when they say he'll already have a set list of targets that he's brought with him and that he's researched really thoroughly.

 

That's not to say he doesn't have a bit of time to find out about players still, mind. There's still over 6 weeks until the season starts and his scouts/contacts are bound to have a lot of good information on more "well-known" players as well as "Bolton" players (Bolton being the 6th best team in the country, by the way, which I wouldn't turn my nose up at next season). It's a lot easier to buy somebody like Carlos Tevez when people have seen them on TV every week/who there will be dozens of videos on than to bring in an "obscure" player who goes on to be a success, as well.

 

The foundations need to be there first of course and we're still crying out for experienced heads in the midfield and at the back.

[Optimistic Nut]

I also think a lot of people seem to assume that, "Expensive player = Trophy Signing". Eidur Gudjohnsen would be expensive, not a trophy signing though.

[Guest optimistic nit]

we have scouts at the copa america i think. these will be the same scouts we used to have mind, but then they did find krul and zog so they may not be too bad.

[Optimistic Nut]

we have scouts at the copa america i think. these will be the same scouts we used to have mind, but then they did find krul and zog so they may not be too bad.

 

Lee Clark will be there no doubt. 

[ohmelads]

If we're going to build a squad and keep the playing staff happy then we have to be realistic and invest in quality proven players for the first team and young backup who can be convinced their time will come.

 

We can talk about semantics all day, 'expensive big names' or 'proven quality' it's all about the spin you put on it to suit your argument. I believe that in defence in particular, with several places up for grabs,we have the opportunity to bring in proven quality without disrupting the squad we should do so. There is plenty of scope for squad building by signing younger players to fill out the squad.

[Guest optimistic nit]

we have scouts at the copa america i think. these will be the same scouts we used to have mind, but then they did find krul and zog so they may not be too bad.

 

Lee Clark will be there no doubt. 

 

 

don't even joke about that shit

[EthiGeordie]

I think the whole things that happend in the past six weeks overwhelmed most of us it is just too many good things. We just have to sit and watch the development because it doesn't make sense to critsise any one at these point.

[madras]

If we're going to build a squad and keep the playing staff happy then we have to be realistic and invest in quality proven players for the first team and young backup who can be convinced their time will come.

 

We can talk about semantics all day, 'expensive big names' or 'proven quality' it's all about the spin you put on it to suit your argument. I believe that in defence in particular, with several places up for grabs,we have the opportunity to bring in proven quality without disrupting the squad we should do so. There is plenty of scope for squad building by signing younger players to fill out the squad.

now look ohmelads,we have this cash maybe right,the last thing we want is sense ok ?