Our youngsters might not go out on loan...

[Yorkie]

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=475382&CPID=8&clid=4&lid=&title=Emre:+New-look+Magpies+to+soar

 

Meanwhile, Allardyce has explained he is unwilling to let some of his fringe players leave on loan due to changes in the transfer regulations that prohibit short-term deals.

 

"The loan system has changed in the Football League this year and has now converted to the same system we have to put up with, which is only year-long loans," said Allardyce.

 

"You can't do any more emergency loans, or one, two or three-month loans.

 

"It means if I am going to let a player go on loan, it's effectively a short-term transfer. There's no call-back or recall on that particular player.

 

"The last thing I want to do is leave myself short if anything happens."

 

That's a bit shit.

[Razor]

Yeh, wouldn't want them to get putoff with the club because they get a lack of football, we need our young talent to stay, namely Krul imo

[rocksammy]

No Krul must go on loan. Harper will do a fine job as back up while tim is getting first team experience ><. i would rather tim be playing 40 first team games this season than possibly 2 if there is an injury crisis

[Leazes1986]

Big Sam is no loan arranger

 

Jul 5 2007

 

by Lee Ryder, Evening Chronicle

 

 

SAM ALLARDYCE has revealed how he may have to must sacrifice the development of his Toon young guns in order to keep his Newcastle United ship shape in his first season at St James’ Park.

 

In an ideal world United kids like Dutch keeper Tim Krul, promising striker Andy Carroll and Canadian Under-20 skipper David Edgar would have relished the chance to go to a Football League club in order to gain regular first-team experience so they can challenge for a more senior role in 12 months’ time.

 

However, under new Football League rules Big Sam would have to allow any potential loanee to be farmed out for the entire season, unlike the more traditional one or three-month loan deals the Magpies have arranged in the past.

 

And that means that both Ipswich Town and Hartlepool United have had their hopes dashed of attracting Carroll and Krul respectively who they had hoped would join them on short term deals, while Edgar had also expressed a desire to play “week in, week out” at first-team level to gain experience.

 

With four new boys already in the bag at Newcastle, Allardyce has already boosted the paper-thin squad he inherited from Glenn Roeder.

 

 

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But with last season in mind, when the poorly assembled squad struggled to get to grips with a long season at home and abroad despite nobody going out on loan, Big Sam doesn’t want a repeat.

 

He told the Chronicle: “The loan system has changed in the Football League this year, and has now converted to the same system we have to put up with, which is only year-long loans.

 

“You can’t do any more emergency loans, or one, two or three-month loans.

 

“It means if I’m going to let a player go on loan, it’s effectively a short-term transfer.

 

“There’s no call-back or recall. And the last thing I want to do is leave myself short if anything happens – we’ve already got to try and get more players in to cover what we need.

 

“And to let players go out on loan would be very difficult this year unless the squad grows to the sort of size by the end of the transfer window that I’d feel a young player would develop better by having six months or a year on loan somewhere else.

 

Therefore Allardyce is going into the campaign cautious and added: “If you run into difficulties at the end of August, there’s nothing you can do about it but use the players you have within your football club.

 

“That’s why I think the transfer window is flawed.”

 

It means that while United may not gain loan experience for their youngsters, they will have a strong side in the reserves, meaning Lee Clark will have a wealth of Academy-grown talent at this disposal for the new campaign.

[Baggio]

I haven't heard of anyone else talking about this rule change.

[Razor]

Sorry, when i say "Krul must stay", i mean on contract at the club, which he is more likely to do if he goes out on loan and gains more experience, rather than get frustrated from a lack of football and then seek another club

[ohmelads]

Leaves us in a dilemma because we saw with ourselves and Chelsea last season how easy it is to lose two keepers at once. He really needs a few years experience if he intends on taking over Given when he retires but it's going to be difficult to give it to him without a recall option.

 

I'd send Carroll out on loan though regardless. We have 4 strikers plus Dyer, Luque and Duff who can play there if need be.

[Leazes1986]

Is there no older keepers about on a free or who would cost next to nowt to get in as 3rd choice so we can let Krul go on loan? Don't say Pav either 

[ohmelads]

Is there no older keepers about on a free or who would cost next to nowt to get in as 3rd choice so we can let Krul go on loan? Don't say Pav either 

 

That's what I was thinking. We could get a cheap old keeper in as 3rd choice on a one-year deal and then loan Krul out. It's worth it because the signs are Krul could save us a lot of money and hassle in the future.

[Razor]

Is there no older keepers about on a free or who would cost next to nowt to get in as 3rd choice so we can let Krul go on loan? Don't say Pav either 

 

Not a bad idea, surely our injury crisis wont be repeated this year, but you always need a back-up...

 

If we sent Krul out for a 1 year deal (the new minimium) where would we send him?

[Guest niina]

Regarding Krul's loan situation, it's what I always thinking and worried about: he is loaned to other club, and suddenly Given is injured, which leave us only with Harper and young untried Forster. Then Harper is also injured or red carded, and suddenly Forster is our number 1 keeper, which is I think Krul is more reliable, but Krul can't do that, because he is loaned out.

 

And now with the year-long loan, it make things worse. Who will knows that Given and Harper can be out injured, and we have young untried Forster as our number 1 for 1 year long, while we have potential but unavailable Krul...

[Guest WalkervilleMag]

Krul could probably make 1st choice keeper at any Championship club

[James]

Make Krul substitute keeper, and play him in our cup games. he could also go to Holland short term.

 

Also, nothing stopping us loaning players out in January like we did to get Onyewu.

[James]

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=475382&CPID=8&clid=4&lid=&title=Emre:+New-look+Magpies+to+soar

 

Meanwhile, Allardyce has explained he is unwilling to let some of his fringe players leave on loan due to changes in the transfer regulations that prohibit short-term deals.

 

"The loan system has changed in the Football League this year and has now converted to the same system we have to put up with, which is only year-long loans," said Allardyce.

 

"You can't do any more emergency loans, or one, two or three-month loans.

 

"It means if I am going to let a player go on loan, it's effectively a short-term transfer. There's no call-back or recall on that particular player.

 

"The last thing I want to do is leave myself short if anything happens."

 

That's a bit shit.

 

Actually, how can that be the case if we had Rossi for four months?

[Unbelievable]

I don't know the details of this new regulation, but as it's the first I've heard about it it may well be an FA thing, meaning that if Krul is loaned out to a club in Holland (Roda was in the market w couple of weeks ago), we could still possibly negotiate a callback-deal (not sure what the rules say. I guess it's to protect the club who loans a player rather than to frustrate both players and clubs who loan out players), although I can't see many loaning clubs at the highest level in Holland agreeing to such a deal and planning to let him be their first choice goalkeeper either (why would they want to take the risk to lose their GK when ours get injured?)..

[Tachikoma]

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=475382&CPID=8&clid=4&lid=&title=Emre:+New-look+Magpies+to+soar

 

Meanwhile, Allardyce has explained he is unwilling to let some of his fringe players leave on loan due to changes in the transfer regulations that prohibit short-term deals.

 

"The loan system has changed in the Football League this year and has now converted to the same system we have to put up with, which is only year-long loans," said Allardyce.

 

"You can't do any more emergency loans, or one, two or three-month loans.

 

"It means if I am going to let a player go on loan, it's effectively a short-term transfer. There's no call-back or recall on that particular player.

 

"The last thing I want to do is leave myself short if anything happens."

 

That's a bit s***.

 

Actually, how can that be the case if we had Rossi for four months?

 

The system was changed this year, but the loan deal was from last year, me thinks.

[Unbelievable]

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=475382&CPID=8&clid=4&lid=&title=Emre:+New-look+Magpies+to+soar

 

Meanwhile, Allardyce has explained he is unwilling to let some of his fringe players leave on loan due to changes in the transfer regulations that prohibit short-term deals.

 

"The loan system has changed in the Football League this year and has now converted to the same system we have to put up with, which is only year-long loans," said Allardyce.

 

"You can't do any more emergency loans, or one, two or three-month loans.

 

"It means if I am going to let a player go on loan, it's effectively a short-term transfer. There's no call-back or recall on that particular player.

 

"The last thing I want to do is leave myself short if anything happens."

 

That's a bit s***.

 

Actually, how can that be the case if we had Rossi for four months?

 

By this year, I presume they mean this coming season???

[Rebellious]

I saw a Newspaper poster on the way to work today saying Town ( Ipswich ) in for Toon striker. Not sure who yet. My guess is Carroll.

[Guest gggg]

http://ipswichtown.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=911&p=2&stid=8450473

 

Carroll a Loan Target?

 

By Philip Ham

Date: 5/7/2007

 

Changes to the loan rules have scuppered Town's chances of signing Newcastle United striker Andrew Carroll on loan, according to Magpies manager Sam Allardyce. However, the Football League have told TWTD, the former Bolton boss's understanding of their loan system is incorrect.

 

Allardyce told a newspaper in the North-East that all four divisions will be subject to the same rules for the season ahead: "The loan system has changed in the Football League this year, and has now converted to the same system we have to put up with, which is only year-long loans.

 

"You can't do any more emergency loans, or one, two or three-month loans. It means if I'm going to let a player go on loan, it's effectively a short-term transfer.

 

"There's no call-back or recall. And the last thing I want to do is leave myself short if anything happens."

 

The paper cites a proposed short-term Carroll loan at Portman Road and Hartlepool's targeting of fellow youngster Tim Krul as deals which have been prevented from taking place due to the new rules.

 

However, a Football League spokesman told TWTD that Allardyce's understanding of the situation is wrong: "The loan system next season will be exactly the same as last season."

 

Carroll, 18, has made seven senior sub appearances for Newcastle and became the youngest player to appear in Europe when he made his debut in the UEFA Cup tie in Palermo last November.

 

The 6ft 3in tall striker carried off the Wor Jackie Milburn Trophy earlier this year, an award given to the North-East's most promising young player.

 

Gateshead-born Carroll, who qualifies for both England and Scotland, is yet to score a senior goal but great things are expected of him on Tyneside and in April he signed a contract keeping him at St James' Park until 2011. Town coach Charlie Woods will know Carroll well from his time working alongside Sir Bobby Robson in the North-East.

 

Boss Jim Magilton is keen to sign a striker over the summer with former loanee Franny Jeffers his number one target. Released Middlesbrough man Malcolm Christie - who has held talks with Nottingham Forest and Stoke - and former Blue Pablo Couñago have also been linked, suggesting Magilton is after a player with significantly more experience than Carroll.

 

However, the lanky Newcastle frontman, compared to Peter Crouch by former boss Glenn Roeder, could be an alternative to Alan Lee if the Republic of Ireland striker moves on this summer. Coventry, Preston and Hull have all been linked with last season's 17-goal top scorer, but Magilton has repeatedly said that the 28-year-old will not be leaving Portman Road.

[Disco]

seems like an uneccessary rule change in my eyes.

[Guest tomi]

seems like an uneccessary rule change in my eyes.

The point is there's no change in the rules according to the qouted Football League spokesman in the above article.

[Guest ryunufc]

what are the purposes of this new rule?

 

clubs in the premiership would become reluctant to send out their youngsters on loan, the championships or lower would find it harder to find players. in the end the local youngsters would have more limited chance to play in competitive matches and we know the standard of the reserve matches have been a subject of critcism by foreign managers.

[Yorkie]

seems like a fucking stupid rule change in my eyes.

 

FYP.

[Baggio]

Is there no older keepers about on a free or who would cost next to nowt to get in as 3rd choice so we can let Krul go on loan? Don't say Pav either 

 

Forster will be third choice I imagine.

[Guest optimistic nit]

Regarding Krul's loan situation, it's what I always thinking and worried about: he is loaned to other club, and suddenly Given is injured, which leave us only with Harper and young untried Forster. Then Harper is also injured or red carded, and suddenly Forster is our number 1 keeper, which is I think Krul is more reliable, but Krul can't do that, because he is loaned out.

 

And now with the year-long loan, it make things worse. Who will knows that Given and Harper can be out injured, and we have young untried Forster as our number 1 for 1 year long, while we have potential but unavailable Krul...

 

Krul is untried as well though, thats why we need him to go out on loan (and don't say one good (very good) performance in the uefa justifies him being a good keeper.