José Enrique

[Guest Antec]

Good post magpie, I genuinely think if it wasn't for the Carroll sale Ashley would be well on the way to getting back on the good side of the fans.

 

This season, as you say, has been much better than expected.

 

it is a good post, but it glosses over the issue which strikes at the absolute heart of what the club is about now. that is, that we replaced a very well performing manager who was popular with players and fans, with a man who had very little reason to be hired other than he didn't deserve the position and therefore was more likely to agree to demands placed upon him on transfer policy.

 

and my oh my, weren't we all shocked when carroll went in january. yes the money was massive, yes its a great deal if you put the money back into the team PLUS the money that should have been due to be invested anyway. but the chain of events is as plain as day imo, would anyone be surprised if the big debate in the winter is whether we were right to accept a massive bid for tiote on deadline day?

 

Surely you don't really think Hughton was sacked because he could prevent Ashley pulling off deals like the Carroll one?   

 

prevent, no. be opposed to, or try and make himself an obstacle against, yes. we all want an easy life.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Hughton himself say, in an interview, that the Carroll deal was a good piece of business?

 

absolutely. what does he care?

 

Interesting angle 

 

It seems to me that since his departure Hughton is being credited with remarkable qualities. But I think he was as much a puppet as any manager, if not more so. He did do a good job in the Championship with a squad that was, by some distance, the best in the division.

 

My opinion is that Hughton was sacked because Ashley and or Llambias did not think he was up to the job in the Premiership plus they wanted someone who could act as the club's spokesman and be a stronger figure from a PR viewpoint - seeing as PR had not exactly been the club's strongest suit. Whether this judgement on Pardew was correct is not for debate here as it has consumed a lot of space on at least one other thread, but he certainly communicates far more openly than Hughton ever did.

 

f***ing hell

 

Go on...

 

You think Pardew doesn't communicate with the press more openly than Hughton? Or you believe the "old casino mates" theory?

 

Ok, I've stopped laughing now

 

If by 'communicate' you mean 'say what he's been told to say/what the fans want to hear/tell blatant lies' then I agree

 

As it STILL HASN'T DAWNED ON YOU AND SEVERAL OTHERS why we ended up with an unemployed manager with nothing to lose here's a clue from  Golfmag

 

A very specific part of Pardew's written remit is to reduce costs and the debt, to make it easier for MA to sell the club. Look at everything he says in this context.

 

but I'm sure this is bollocks and all of the Carroll money will be used to 'push the club forward'

[Cajun]

We signed Ben Arfa after Hughton was sacked though? Why bother? Bit of a gamble wasn't it?

[quayside]

Good post magpie, I genuinely think if it wasn't for the Carroll sale Ashley would be well on the way to getting back on the good side of the fans.

 

This season, as you say, has been much better than expected.

 

it is a good post, but it glosses over the issue which strikes at the absolute heart of what the club is about now. that is, that we replaced a very well performing manager who was popular with players and fans, with a man who had very little reason to be hired other than he didn't deserve the position and therefore was more likely to agree to demands placed upon him on transfer policy.

 

and my oh my, weren't we all shocked when carroll went in january. yes the money was massive, yes its a great deal if you put the money back into the team PLUS the money that should have been due to be invested anyway. but the chain of events is as plain as day imo, would anyone be surprised if the big debate in the winter is whether we were right to accept a massive bid for tiote on deadline day?

 

Surely you don't really think Hughton was sacked because he could prevent Ashley pulling off deals like the Carroll one?    

 

prevent, no. be opposed to, or try and make himself an obstacle against, yes. we all want an easy life.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Hughton himself say, in an interview, that the Carroll deal was a good piece of business?

 

absolutely. what does he care?

 

Interesting angle  

 

It seems to me that since his departure Hughton is being credited with remarkable qualities. But I think he was as much a puppet as any manager, if not more so. He did do a good job in the Championship with a squad that was, by some distance, the best in the division.

 

My opinion is that Hughton was sacked because Ashley and or Llambias did not think he was up to the job in the Premiership plus they wanted someone who could act as the club's spokesman and be a stronger figure from a PR viewpoint - seeing as PR had not exactly been the club's strongest suit. Whether this judgement on Pardew was correct is not for debate here as it has consumed a lot of space on at least one other thread, but he certainly communicates far more openly than Hughton ever did.

 

f***ing hell

 

Go on...

 

You think Pardew doesn't communicate with the press more openly than Hughton? Or you believe the "old casino mates" theory?

 

Ok, I've stopped laughing now

 

If by 'communicate' you mean 'say what he's been told to say/what the fans want to hear/tell blatant lies' then I agree

 

As it STILL HASN'T DAWNED ON YOU AND SEVERAL OTHERS why we ended up with an unemployed manager with nothing to lose here's a clue from  Golfmag

 

A very specific part of Pardew's written remit is to reduce costs and the debt, to make it easier for MA to sell the club. Look at everything he says in this context.

 

but I'm sure this is bollocks and all of the Carroll money will be used to 'push the club forward'

 

By communicate I mean just that. When for example did Hughton ever announce that the club's accounts were being filed or pass any comment on them? Look at the interviews Pardew gives compared to those that Hughton gave, I think he says more and is a better communicator than Hughton. Of course he's peddling an agreed message - what manager or club spokesman doesn't, that's what PR is all about (go and look up what the letters stand for).

 

I'm well aware of what Golfmag said btw. I've no reason to believe that it isn't true. Costs have been reduced, the club is heading for breakeven this year, and if we make profits we could well see the debt being reduced. And Ashley may well depart and we'll have a new owner. And there will be much rejoicing. I've re-read my posts on here and can't see why you raise any of those points tbh. I was merely saying that I think Hughton was a puppet and was not sacked because he could do anything about players being sold, he was sacked because Ashley didn't think he was up to the job and he wanted a better communicator.

 

As for the Carroll money point - I haven't got a clue how it will be used.

[ToonTastic]

Mentioned elsewhere but I'm sure if someone said we would get £50m for Enrique and Carroll last summer we would have bitten their hand off.

[quayside]

Mentioned elsewhere but I'm sure if someone said we would get £50 for Enrique and Carroll last summer we would have bitten their hand off.

 

£50 sounds like a poor return to me.

[Guest Antec]

We signed Ben Arfa after Hughton was sacked though? Why bother? Bit of a gamble wasn't it?

 

It was but probably worth it, Ben Arfa should easily sell for far more when he's flogged

[Cajun]

Still a big gamble considering he was still recovering from a long term injury and if Ashley's plan is to flog as much as possible then sell up why add more 'stock'?

[UV]

I'm feeling a bit left out as I only know basic holiday Spanish body language. Its there anywhere I can watch the games with English subs?

 

Edit: Oops is that asking for an illegal link? Forget it then, maybe I'll go to foreign body language classes in the Summer.

[ToonTastic]

Mentioned elsewhere but I'm sure if someone said we would get £50 for Enrique and Carroll last summer we would have bitten their hand off.

 

£50 sounds like a poor return to me.

 

fixed, sod

[Incognito]

To the poster who said the transfer window in January was an exception to the rule in that it wasn't good should cast their mind back to the relegation season.Given and Nzog out and Nolan and Raylor in.

[Guest Antec]

Good post magpie, I genuinely think if it wasn't for the Carroll sale Ashley would be well on the way to getting back on the good side of the fans.

 

This season, as you say, has been much better than expected.

 

it is a good post, but it glosses over the issue which strikes at the absolute heart of what the club is about now. that is, that we replaced a very well performing manager who was popular with players and fans, with a man who had very little reason to be hired other than he didn't deserve the position and therefore was more likely to agree to demands placed upon him on transfer policy.

 

and my oh my, weren't we all shocked when carroll went in january. yes the money was massive, yes its a great deal if you put the money back into the team PLUS the money that should have been due to be invested anyway. but the chain of events is as plain as day imo, would anyone be surprised if the big debate in the winter is whether we were right to accept a massive bid for tiote on deadline day?

 

Surely you don't really think Hughton was sacked because he could prevent Ashley pulling off deals like the Carroll one?   

 

prevent, no. be opposed to, or try and make himself an obstacle against, yes. we all want an easy life.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Hughton himself say, in an interview, that the Carroll deal was a good piece of business?

 

absolutely. what does he care?

 

Interesting angle 

 

It seems to me that since his departure Hughton is being credited with remarkable qualities. But I think he was as much a puppet as any manager, if not more so. He did do a good job in the Championship with a squad that was, by some distance, the best in the division.

 

My opinion is that Hughton was sacked because Ashley and or Llambias did not think he was up to the job in the Premiership plus they wanted someone who could act as the club's spokesman and be a stronger figure from a PR viewpoint - seeing as PR had not exactly been the club's strongest suit. Whether this judgement on Pardew was correct is not for debate here as it has consumed a lot of space on at least one other thread, but he certainly communicates far more openly than Hughton ever did.

 

f***ing hell

 

Go on...

 

You think Pardew doesn't communicate with the press more openly than Hughton? Or you believe the "old casino mates" theory?

 

Ok, I've stopped laughing now

 

If by 'communicate' you mean 'say what he's been told to say/what the fans want to hear/tell blatant lies' then I agree

 

As it STILL HASN'T DAWNED ON YOU AND SEVERAL OTHERS why we ended up with an unemployed manager with nothing to lose here's a clue from  Golfmag

 

A very specific part of Pardew's written remit is to reduce costs and the debt, to make it easier for MA to sell the club. Look at everything he says in this context.

 

but I'm sure this is bollocks and all of the Carroll money will be used to 'push the club forward'

 

By communicate I mean just that. When for example did Hughton ever announce that the club's accounts were being filed or pass any comment on them? Look at the interviews Pardew gives compared to those that Hughton gave, I think he says more and is a better communicator than Hughton. Of course he's peddling an agreed message - what manager or club spokesman doesn't, that's what PR is all about (go and look up what the letters stand for).

 

I'm well aware of what Golfmag said btw. I've no reason to believe that it isn't true. Costs have been reduced, the club is heading for breakeven this year, and if we make profits we could well see the debt being reduced. And Ashley may well depart and we'll have a new owner. And there will be much rejoicing. I've re-read my posts on here and can't see why you raise any of those points tbh. I was merely saying that I think Hughton was a puppet and was not sacked because he could do anything about players being sold, he was sacked because Ashley didn't think he was up to the job and he wanted a better communicator.

 

As for the Carroll money point - I haven't got a clue how it will be used.

 

I've  looked up 'communication' and 'PR' and found this but I'm  not sure what it means

 

The publicly-released details of the Premier League Arbitration panel’s verdict have also removed the last vestiges of credibility that Ashley’s regime enjoyed. Members of the hierarchy admitted to consistently lying to supporters as a “public relations exercise,”

[Guest Antec]

Still a big gamble considering he was still recovering from a long term injury and if Ashley's plan is to flog as much as possible then sell up why add more 'stock'?

 

Seriously, you honestly can't figure this out?

[Guest neesy111]

Got to ask why is he renting surely he could easily afford a mortgage on a flat

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Got to ask why is he renting surely he could easily afford a mortgage on a flat

 

Yes, but he can easily afford not to worry about the extra cost of renting.

[quayside]

Good post magpie, I genuinely think if it wasn't for the Carroll sale Ashley would be well on the way to getting back on the good side of the fans.

 

This season, as you say, has been much better than expected.

 

it is a good post, but it glosses over the issue which strikes at the absolute heart of what the club is about now. that is, that we replaced a very well performing manager who was popular with players and fans, with a man who had very little reason to be hired other than he didn't deserve the position and therefore was more likely to agree to demands placed upon him on transfer policy.

 

and my oh my, weren't we all shocked when carroll went in january. yes the money was massive, yes its a great deal if you put the money back into the team PLUS the money that should have been due to be invested anyway. but the chain of events is as plain as day imo, would anyone be surprised if the big debate in the winter is whether we were right to accept a massive bid for tiote on deadline day?

 

Surely you don't really think Hughton was sacked because he could prevent Ashley pulling off deals like the Carroll one?    

 

prevent, no. be opposed to, or try and make himself an obstacle against, yes. we all want an easy life.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Hughton himself say, in an interview, that the Carroll deal was a good piece of business?

 

absolutely. what does he care?

 

Interesting angle  

 

It seems to me that since his departure Hughton is being credited with remarkable qualities. But I think he was as much a puppet as any manager, if not more so. He did do a good job in the Championship with a squad that was, by some distance, the best in the division.

 

My opinion is that Hughton was sacked because Ashley and or Llambias did not think he was up to the job in the Premiership plus they wanted someone who could act as the club's spokesman and be a stronger figure from a PR viewpoint - seeing as PR had not exactly been the club's strongest suit. Whether this judgement on Pardew was correct is not for debate here as it has consumed a lot of space on at least one other thread, but he certainly communicates far more openly than Hughton ever did.

 

f***ing hell

 

Go on...

 

You think Pardew doesn't communicate with the press more openly than Hughton? Or you believe the "old casino mates" theory?

 

Ok, I've stopped laughing now

 

If by 'communicate' you mean 'say what he's been told to say/what the fans want to hear/tell blatant lies' then I agree

 

As it STILL HASN'T DAWNED ON YOU AND SEVERAL OTHERS why we ended up with an unemployed manager with nothing to lose here's a clue from  Golfmag

 

A very specific part of Pardew's written remit is to reduce costs and the debt, to make it easier for MA to sell the club. Look at everything he says in this context.

 

but I'm sure this is bollocks and all of the Carroll money will be used to 'push the club forward'

 

By communicate I mean just that. When for example did Hughton ever announce that the club's accounts were being filed or pass any comment on them? Look at the interviews Pardew gives compared to those that Hughton gave, I think he says more and is a better communicator than Hughton. Of course he's peddling an agreed message - what manager or club spokesman doesn't, that's what PR is all about (go and look up what the letters stand for).

 

I'm well aware of what Golfmag said btw. I've no reason to believe that it isn't true. Costs have been reduced, the club is heading for breakeven this year, and if we make profits we could well see the debt being reduced. And Ashley may well depart and we'll have a new owner. And there will be much rejoicing. I've re-read my posts on here and can't see why you raise any of those points tbh. I was merely saying that I think Hughton was a puppet and was not sacked because he could do anything about players being sold, he was sacked because Ashley didn't think he was up to the job and he wanted a better communicator.

 

As for the Carroll money point - I haven't got a clue how it will be used.

 

I've  looked up 'communication' and 'PR' and found this but I'm  not sure what it means

 

The publicly-released details of the Premier League Arbitration panel’s verdict have also removed the last vestiges of credibility that Ashley’s regime enjoyed. Members of the hierarchy admitted to consistently lying to supporters as a “public relations exercise,”

 

We all know what the tribunal said. But, other than a mention of the words "public relations", I'm really struggling to see any relevance to my post. Unless I'm misunderstanding it you seem to be latching on to my opinion that part of the reason for Pardew's appointment was to improve the club's very poor PR and are using it as an excuse to give me the well rehearsed treatment that is reserved for Ashley lovers.  

[Dr Venkman]

Got to ask why is he renting surely he could easily afford a mortgage on a flat

 

Yes, but he can easily afford not to worry about the extra cost of renting.

 

dont forget that he already wanted out when he was house hunting in the north east, renting makes it much easier for him to move to liverpool at short notice

[Guest Antec]

Good post magpie, I genuinely think if it wasn't for the Carroll sale Ashley would be well on the way to getting back on the good side of the fans.

 

This season, as you say, has been much better than expected.

 

it is a good post, but it glosses over the issue which strikes at the absolute heart of what the club is about now. that is, that we replaced a very well performing manager who was popular with players and fans, with a man who had very little reason to be hired other than he didn't deserve the position and therefore was more likely to agree to demands placed upon him on transfer policy.

 

and my oh my, weren't we all shocked when carroll went in january. yes the money was massive, yes its a great deal if you put the money back into the team PLUS the money that should have been due to be invested anyway. but the chain of events is as plain as day imo, would anyone be surprised if the big debate in the winter is whether we were right to accept a massive bid for tiote on deadline day?

 

Surely you don't really think Hughton was sacked because he could prevent Ashley pulling off deals like the Carroll one?   

 

prevent, no. be opposed to, or try and make himself an obstacle against, yes. we all want an easy life.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Hughton himself say, in an interview, that the Carroll deal was a good piece of business?

 

absolutely. what does he care?

 

Interesting angle 

 

It seems to me that since his departure Hughton is being credited with remarkable qualities. But I think he was as much a puppet as any manager, if not more so. He did do a good job in the Championship with a squad that was, by some distance, the best in the division.

 

My opinion is that Hughton was sacked because Ashley and or Llambias did not think he was up to the job in the Premiership plus they wanted someone who could act as the club's spokesman and be a stronger figure from a PR viewpoint - seeing as PR had not exactly been the club's strongest suit. Whether this judgement on Pardew was correct is not for debate here as it has consumed a lot of space on at least one other thread, but he certainly communicates far more openly than Hughton ever did.

 

f***ing hell

 

Go on...

 

You think Pardew doesn't communicate with the press more openly than Hughton? Or you believe the "old casino mates" theory?

 

Ok, I've stopped laughing now

 

If by 'communicate' you mean 'say what he's been told to say/what the fans want to hear/tell blatant lies' then I agree

 

As it STILL HASN'T DAWNED ON YOU AND SEVERAL OTHERS why we ended up with an unemployed manager with nothing to lose here's a clue from  Golfmag

 

A very specific part of Pardew's written remit is to reduce costs and the debt, to make it easier for MA to sell the club. Look at everything he says in this context.

 

but I'm sure this is bollocks and all of the Carroll money will be used to 'push the club forward'

 

By communicate I mean just that. When for example did Hughton ever announce that the club's accounts were being filed or pass any comment on them? Look at the interviews Pardew gives compared to those that Hughton gave, I think he says more and is a better communicator than Hughton. Of course he's peddling an agreed message - what manager or club spokesman doesn't, that's what PR is all about (go and look up what the letters stand for).

 

I'm well aware of what Golfmag said btw. I've no reason to believe that it isn't true. Costs have been reduced, the club is heading for breakeven this year, and if we make profits we could well see the debt being reduced. And Ashley may well depart and we'll have a new owner. And there will be much rejoicing. I've re-read my posts on here and can't see why you raise any of those points tbh. I was merely saying that I think Hughton was a puppet and was not sacked because he could do anything about players being sold, he was sacked because Ashley didn't think he was up to the job and he wanted a better communicator.

 

As for the Carroll money point - I haven't got a clue how it will be used.

 

I've  looked up 'communication' and 'PR' and found this but I'm  not sure what it means

 

The publicly-released details of the Premier League Arbitration panel’s verdict have also removed the last vestiges of credibility that Ashley’s regime enjoyed. Members of the hierarchy admitted to consistently lying to supporters as a “public relations exercise,”

 

We all know what the tribunal said. But, other than a mention of the words "public relations", I'm really struggling to see any relevance to my post. Unless I'm misunderstanding it you seem to be latching on to my opinion that part of the reason for Pardew's appointment was to improve the club's very poor PR and are using it as an excuse to give me the well rehearsed treatment that is reserved for Ashley lovers.   

 

So what exactly were you getting at here, assuming you actually said this?

 

By communicate I mean just that. When for example did Hughton ever announce that the club's accounts were being filed or pass any comment on them?

[Minhosa]

In terms of PR being the argument for Pardews appointment, I can see that he may appear more polished/proactive in front of the press but imho he's not added much at all because what he says has very little integrity. The complete opposite of Hughton if you like.

 

Hughton turned up with little to say but wasn't a plant.

 

Pardew has too much to say and I don't believe a word of it.

 

He's a few headlines off being Chemical Ali tbh.

 

- In January he refused to rule out signing Beckham when interviewed after a game.

- In January he insisted that AC was not going anywhere.

- He then stated that all of the AC money would go back into the 'squad' and subsequently has changed it to 'the running of the football club'.

- He's publically criticised Ranger which appears to have had little impact.

- He's stated publically unrealistic return dates for injured players and then changed his view within days.

 

He's Joe Kinnear with a script.

[quayside]

Good post magpie, I genuinely think if it wasn't for the Carroll sale Ashley would be well on the way to getting back on the good side of the fans.

 

This season, as you say, has been much better than expected.

 

it is a good post, but it glosses over the issue which strikes at the absolute heart of what the club is about now. that is, that we replaced a very well performing manager who was popular with players and fans, with a man who had very little reason to be hired other than he didn't deserve the position and therefore was more likely to agree to demands placed upon him on transfer policy.

 

and my oh my, weren't we all shocked when carroll went in january. yes the money was massive, yes its a great deal if you put the money back into the team PLUS the money that should have been due to be invested anyway. but the chain of events is as plain as day imo, would anyone be surprised if the big debate in the winter is whether we were right to accept a massive bid for tiote on deadline day?

 

Surely you don't really think Hughton was sacked because he could prevent Ashley pulling off deals like the Carroll one?   

 

prevent, no. be opposed to, or try and make himself an obstacle against, yes. we all want an easy life.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Hughton himself say, in an interview, that the Carroll deal was a good piece of business?

 

absolutely. what does he care?

 

Interesting angle 

 

It seems to me that since his departure Hughton is being credited with remarkable qualities. But I think he was as much a puppet as any manager, if not more so. He did do a good job in the Championship with a squad that was, by some distance, the best in the division.

 

My opinion is that Hughton was sacked because Ashley and or Llambias did not think he was up to the job in the Premiership plus they wanted someone who could act as the club's spokesman and be a stronger figure from a PR viewpoint - seeing as PR had not exactly been the club's strongest suit. Whether this judgement on Pardew was correct is not for debate here as it has consumed a lot of space on at least one other thread, but he certainly communicates far more openly than Hughton ever did.

 

f***ing hell

 

Go on...

 

You think Pardew doesn't communicate with the press more openly than Hughton? Or you believe the "old casino mates" theory?

 

Ok, I've stopped laughing now

 

If by 'communicate' you mean 'say what he's been told to say/what the fans want to hear/tell blatant lies' then I agree

 

As it STILL HASN'T DAWNED ON YOU AND SEVERAL OTHERS why we ended up with an unemployed manager with nothing to lose here's a clue from  Golfmag

 

A very specific part of Pardew's written remit is to reduce costs and the debt, to make it easier for MA to sell the club. Look at everything he says in this context.

 

but I'm sure this is bollocks and all of the Carroll money will be used to 'push the club forward'

 

By communicate I mean just that. When for example did Hughton ever announce that the club's accounts were being filed or pass any comment on them? Look at the interviews Pardew gives compared to those that Hughton gave, I think he says more and is a better communicator than Hughton. Of course he's peddling an agreed message - what manager or club spokesman doesn't, that's what PR is all about (go and look up what the letters stand for).

 

I'm well aware of what Golfmag said btw. I've no reason to believe that it isn't true. Costs have been reduced, the club is heading for breakeven this year, and if we make profits we could well see the debt being reduced. And Ashley may well depart and we'll have a new owner. And there will be much rejoicing. I've re-read my posts on here and can't see why you raise any of those points tbh. I was merely saying that I think Hughton was a puppet and was not sacked because he could do anything about players being sold, he was sacked because Ashley didn't think he was up to the job and he wanted a better communicator.

 

As for the Carroll money point - I haven't got a clue how it will be used.

 

I've  looked up 'communication' and 'PR' and found this but I'm  not sure what it means

 

The publicly-released details of the Premier League Arbitration panels verdict have also removed the last vestiges of credibility that Ashleys regime enjoyed. Members of the hierarchy admitted to consistently lying to supporters as a public relations exercise,

 

We all know what the tribunal said. But, other than a mention of the words "public relations", I'm really struggling to see any relevance to my post. Unless I'm misunderstanding it you seem to be latching on to my opinion that part of the reason for Pardew's appointment was to improve the club's very poor PR and are using it as an excuse to give me the well rehearsed treatment that is reserved for Ashley lovers. 

 

So what exactly were you getting at here, assuming you actually said this?

 

By communicate I mean just that. When for example did Hughton ever announce that the club's accounts were being filed or pass any comment on them?

 

I did say that and I was getting at Pardew assuming a role as a company spokesman and commenting on matters beyond the football. Llambias has attempted to do this in the past and he is an utter disaster at it, I think that Ashley wanted a manager who could do more of this sort of thing. The board of directors are pretty silent these days and Pardew seems to do most of the talking in fact iirc when Pardew was appointed he wasn't even accompanied at the press conference by a director. They just let him get on with it.

[Guest Antec]

In terms of PR being the argument for Pardews appointment, I can see that he may appear more polished/proactive in front of the press but imho he's not added much at all because what he says has very little integrity. The complete opposite of Hughton if you like.

 

Hughton turned up with little to say but wasn't a plant.

 

Pardew has too much to say and I don't believe a word of it.

 

He's a few headlines off being Chemical Ali tbh.

 

- In January he refused to rule out signing Beckham when interviewed after a game.

- In January he insisted that AC was not going anywhere.

- He then stated that all of the AC money would go back into the 'squad' and subsequently has changed it to 'the running of the football club'.

- He's publically criticised Ranger which appears to have had little impact.

- He's stated publically unrealistic return dates for injured players and then changed his view within days.

 

He's Joe Kinnear with a script.

 

We have a winner, well said that man

 

A manager first and foremost needs to manage the team, not talk bollocks to the media

[quayside]

In terms of PR being the argument for Pardews appointment, I can see that he may appear more polished/proactive in front of the press but imho he's not added much at all because what he says has very little integrity. The complete opposite of Hughton if you like.

 

Hughton turned up with little to say but wasn't a plant.

 

Pardew has too much to say and I don't believe a word of it.

 

He's a few headlines off being Chemical Ali tbh.

 

- In January he refused to rule out signing Beckham when interviewed after a game.

- In January he insisted that AC was not going anywhere.

- He then stated that all of the AC money would go back into the 'squad' and subsequently has changed it to 'the running of the football club'.

- He's publically criticised Ranger which appears to have had little impact.

- He's stated publically unrealistic return dates for injured players and then changed his view within days.

 

He's Joe Kinnear with a script.

 

We have a winner, well said that man

 

A manager first and foremost needs to manage the team, not talk bollocks to the media

 

Whether or not you think Pardew should be getting involved with the club's PR is another matter. All I am saying is that is what he is doing. And fwiw I agree with Minhosa that he is a polished communicator. But I also think those examples of things he's said are hardly sinister and loaded with lack of integrity.   

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Come on man:

 

- We have no idea what effect his comments to Ranger have had.

- Nobody really knows return dates for players except roughly.

- He had to say that about Carroll not going.

- It's not up to him to decide how much of the Carroll money will be spent, people are reading far too much into the "back into the team" quotes anyway.

 

I'll give you the Beckham one, that was slightly ridiculous.

 

But you could go through quotes from any Premier League manager or player (or even journalist probably) and find hundreds of things like this.

[Guest Antec]

In terms of PR being the argument for Pardews appointment, I can see that he may appear more polished/proactive in front of the press but imho he's not added much at all because what he says has very little integrity. The complete opposite of Hughton if you like.

 

Hughton turned up with little to say but wasn't a plant.

 

Pardew has too much to say and I don't believe a word of it.

 

He's a few headlines off being Chemical Ali tbh.

 

- In January he refused to rule out signing Beckham when interviewed after a game.

- In January he insisted that AC was not going anywhere.

- He then stated that all of the AC money would go back into the 'squad' and subsequently has changed it to 'the running of the football club'.

- He's publically criticised Ranger which appears to have had little impact.

- He's stated publically unrealistic return dates for injured players and then changed his view within days.

 

He's Joe Kinnear with a script.

 

We have a winner, well said that man

 

A manager first and foremost needs to manage the team, not talk bollocks to the media

 

Whether or not you think Pardew should be getting involved with the club's PR is another matter. All I am saying is that is what he is doing. And fwiw I agree with Minhosa that he is a polished communicator. But I also think those examples of things he's said are hardly sinister and loaded with lack of integrity.   

 

When someone is happy to say exactly what they're told to say then it helps if the people providing the  information in the first place haven't been proven to be completely untrustworthy. NOW do you see why Pardew got the job?

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Pardew is just more open and confident with the press, to take that and use it to suggest he's just Mike Ashley's PR man is a step too far IMO.

 

It's just how he his, he answers more questions than Hughton and is more conversational with the media. I don't see the point in pulling apart one or two wrong statements he's made, you could do that with any manager.

[Guest Antec]

Pardew is just more open and confident with the press, to take that and use it to suggest he's just Mike Ashley's PR man is a step too far IMO.

 

It's just how he his, he answers more questions than Hughton and is more conversational with the media. I don't see the point in pulling apart one or two wrong statements he's made, you could do that with any manager.

 

If Pardew is told to lie on the regime's behalf will he do it, yes or no? Not just a slight mistruth by the way but a complete whopper