Shak Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Anyone putting Taylor at RB needs to be shot, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Bolton line-up will be something like this IMO --------------- Given Carr -- Taylor -- Rozenhal -- Dragutinovic ---------------- Butt -------- Geremi -- Smith Milner ----------------------- Martins -------------- Viduka Will be a very physical game I would expect, exactly the type of game I'd expect Dargo is being bought to play LB in. Midfield should stand up well for themselves and all. I agree. I'm looking forward to seeing how we try and frustrate Bolton on the first day of the season. I think it could be our biggest test and biggest indicator of how the squads doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Anyone putting Taylor at RB needs to be shot, like. Will you shoot big sam when he does it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Darth Toon Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Bolton line-up will be something like this IMO --------------- Given Carr -- Taylor -- Rozenhal -- Dragutinovic ---------------- Butt -------- Geremi -- Smith Milner ----------------------- Martins -------------- Viduka Will be a very physical game I would expect, exactly the type of game I'd expect Dargo is being bought to play LB in. Midfield should stand up well for themselves and all. That looks spot on to me. Cracking midfield for a game away at Bolton - compare this with the team we went there with last season: Srnicek Edgar Ramage Taylor Huntington Dyer Butt Parker Milner Sibierski Martins Fucking hell we were shit! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Anyone putting Taylor at RB needs to be shot, like. blueyes.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Anyone putting Taylor at RB needs to be shot, like. Better than the bench which is where he would be if we signed Dragutinovic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Anyone putting Taylor at RB needs to be shot, like. Will you shoot big sam when he does it? No, because he won't. Barring severe injury problems of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Anyone putting Taylor at RB needs to be shot, like. Better than the bench which is where he would be if we signed Dragutinovic. Taylor will be our first choice CB when fit, IMO. More likely Drago will find himself on the bench tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Regardless of what team i would play, i'm convinced due to Allardyce's history and the players that he has brought in that Taylor is either going to be played at right back or isn't going to be first choice centre back. The reason for this is because Big Sam would prefer to rely on two more experianced players, such as Cacapa, Drago or Rozehnal. Taylor was the best of our defenders last year and is obviously a great prospect for the future but the lad has a heluva lot to learn and i believe Allardyce has realised this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Anyone putting Taylor at RB needs to be shot, like. Better than the bench which is where he would be if we signed Dragutinovic. Taylor will be our first choice CB when fit, IMO. More likely Drago will find himself on the bench tbh. Big Sam drops him. "I must break you." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Anyone putting Taylor at RB needs to be shot, like. Better than the bench which is where he would be if we signed Dragutinovic. Taylor will be our first choice CB when fit, IMO. More likely Drago will find himself on the bench tbh. Even though he's a better player and Taylor is still prone to errors? If anything playing Taylor at right back is the sensible option, he's done well when playing there for both us and the England under 21's, he fits in with what Allardyce has said about playing big defenders and is a safer option that Carr, it also gets the lad games on a regular basis without the odd error he's prone to making costing us as much. Unless we sign a new right back then Taylor should play there IMO, we'll already have a good pool of Centre backs to choose from in Rozenhal, Casapa and Dragutinovic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Regardless of what team i would play, i'm convinced due to Allardyce's history and the players that he has brought in that Taylor is either going to be played at right back or isn't going to be first choice centre back. The reason for this is because Big Sam would prefer to rely on two more experianced players, such as Cacapa, Drago or Rozehnal. Taylor was the best of our defenders last year and is obviously a great prospect for the future but the lad has a heluva lot to learn and i believe Allardyce has realised this. He has a lot to learn, I'd agree. This is why we'be brought in Cacapa (vastly experienced) and Rozenhal (noted for his calmness on the field) to aid his development. With one of thse two organising the defence it will leave Taylor to be the all-action defender he seems destined to be. We've got a fantastic young CB prospect on our hands, and a hometown boy to boot, I just don't see how he won't be made the centerpiece of our defence. Can'tt seee Taylor learning a great deal as a CB by being stranded at full-back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Anyone putting Taylor at RB needs to be shot, like. Better than the bench which is where he would be if we signed Dragutinovic. Taylor will be our first choice CB when fit, IMO. More likely Drago will find himself on the bench tbh. Even though he's a better player and Taylor is still prone to errors? If anything playing Taylor at right back is the sensible option, he's done well when playing there for both us and the England under 21's, he fits in with what Allardyce has said about playing big defenders and is a safer option that Carr, it also gets the lad games on a regular basis without the odd error he's prone to making costing us as much. Unless we sign a new right back then Taylor should play there IMO, we'll already have a good pool of Centre backs to choose from in Rozenhal, Casapa and Dragutinovic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Anyone putting Taylor at RB needs to be shot, like. Better than the bench which is where he would be if we signed Dragutinovic. Taylor will be our first choice CB when fit, IMO. More likely Drago will find himself on the bench tbh. Even though he's a better player and Taylor is still prone to errors? If anything playing Taylor at right back is the sensible option, he's done well when playing there for both us and the England under 21's, he fits in with what Allardyce has said about playing big defenders and is a safer option that Carr, it also gets the lad games on a regular basis without the odd error he's prone to making costing us as much. Unless we sign a new right back then Taylor should play there IMO, we'll already have a good pool of Centre backs to choose from in Rozenhal, Casapa and Dragutinovic. I agree with this. The whole "playing him at right back will halt his progress" is a fabricated myth in my eyes. I believe it will do him the world of good, it didn't harm Carragher or Toure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Regardless of what team i would play, i'm convinced due to Allardyce's history and the players that he has brought in that Taylor is either going to be played at right back or isn't going to be first choice centre back. The reason for this is because Big Sam would prefer to rely on two more experianced players, such as Cacapa, Drago or Rozehnal. Taylor was the best of our defenders last year and is obviously a great prospect for the future but the lad has a heluva lot to learn and i believe Allardyce has realised this. He has a lot to learn, I'd agree. This is why we'be brought in Cacapa (vastly experienced) and Rozenhal (noted for his calmness on the field) to aid his development. With one of thse two organising the defence it will leave Taylor to be the all-action defender he seems destined to be. We've got a fantastic young CB prospect on our hands, and a hometown boy to boot, I just don't see how he won't be made the centerpiece of our defence. Can'tt seee Taylor learning a great deal as a CB by being stranded at full-back. Rozehnal and Cacapa were not brought in solely to aid Taylors development. They've been brought in to play out right as first choice players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Even though he's a better player and Taylor is still prone to errors? Honestly can't say I know a fantastic amount about Drago. John Terry was considered quite error prone not too long ago, but I'll bet Chelsea don't regret sticking with him at CB even when he was. If the defence is playing well in general and Taylor is still making a lot of mistakes in a few months then I'd reiew his postion in the first team. But he deserves a go there with better players around him first, as he looks to have all the tools needed to be a world class CB eventually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Regardless of what team i would play, i'm convinced due to Allardyce's history and the players that he has brought in that Taylor is either going to be played at right back or isn't going to be first choice centre back. The reason for this is because Big Sam would prefer to rely on two more experianced players, such as Cacapa, Drago or Rozehnal. Taylor was the best of our defenders last year and is obviously a great prospect for the future but the lad has a heluva lot to learn and i believe Allardyce has realised this. He has a lot to learn, I'd agree. This is why we'be brought in Cacapa (vastly experienced) and Rozenhal (noted for his calmness on the field) to aid his development. With one of thse two organising the defence it will leave Taylor to be the all-action defender he seems destined to be. We've got a fantastic young CB prospect on our hands, and a hometown boy to boot, I just don't see how he won't be made the centerpiece of our defence. Can'tt seee Taylor learning a great deal as a CB by being stranded at full-back. Rozehnal and Cacapa were not brought in solely to aid Taylors development. They've been brought in to play out right as first choice players. Like anyone could possibly know that Skeletor. There'll be competition for the spot I'm sure, and if Cacapa and Rozenhal prove in training that they're the partnership for the job then more power to them. But I don't believe for one second that Taylor won't be given the chance to prove he's worthy of being a regular first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Anyone putting Taylor at RB needs to be shot, like. Better than the bench which is where he would be if we signed Dragutinovic. Taylor will be our first choice CB when fit, IMO. More likely Drago will find himself on the bench tbh. Even though he's a better player and Taylor is still prone to errors? If anything playing Taylor at right back is the sensible option, he's done well when playing there for both us and the England under 21's, he fits in with what Allardyce has said about playing big defenders and is a safer option that Carr, it also gets the lad games on a regular basis without the odd error he's prone to making costing us as much. Unless we sign a new right back then Taylor should play there IMO, we'll already have a good pool of Centre backs to choose from in Rozenhal, Casapa and Dragutinovic. I agree with this. The whole "playing him at right back will halt his progress" is a fabricated myth in my eyes. I believe it will do him the world of good, it didn't harm Carragher or Toure. You cerainly learn alot about the defence as a whole playing in different positions as a youngster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Regardless of what team i would play, i'm convinced due to Allardyce's history and the players that he has brought in that Taylor is either going to be played at right back or isn't going to be first choice centre back. The reason for this is because Big Sam would prefer to rely on two more experianced players, such as Cacapa, Drago or Rozehnal. Taylor was the best of our defenders last year and is obviously a great prospect for the future but the lad has a heluva lot to learn and i believe Allardyce has realised this. He has a lot to learn, I'd agree. This is why we'be brought in Cacapa (vastly experienced) and Rozenhal (noted for his calmness on the field) to aid his development. With one of thse two organising the defence it will leave Taylor to be the all-action defender he seems destined to be. We've got a fantastic young CB prospect on our hands, and a hometown boy to boot, I just don't see how he won't be made the centerpiece of our defence. Can'tt seee Taylor learning a great deal as a CB by being stranded at full-back. I agree that Taylor will learn more at centre back alongside one of them but we also have to make sure we are not risking the team. I don't see Taylor as error prone but he's far more likely to make errors than a combination of two experianced players. He will learn alot playing right back (which is less of a risk), from the bench and in training. For the first time in his career he could be surrounded in blokes who know the role inside out and regardless of whether he's playing centre half on the pitch he will learn form them IMO. However, if Taylor is chosen alongside one of the above i will be happy anyway. I'm just stating what i'd prefer and what i think Sam will do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Regardless of what team i would play, i'm convinced due to Allardyce's history and the players that he has brought in that Taylor is either going to be played at right back or isn't going to be first choice centre back. The reason for this is because Big Sam would prefer to rely on two more experianced players, such as Cacapa, Drago or Rozehnal. Taylor was the best of our defenders last year and is obviously a great prospect for the future but the lad has a heluva lot to learn and i believe Allardyce has realised this. He has a lot to learn, I'd agree. This is why we'be brought in Cacapa (vastly experienced) and Rozenhal (noted for his calmness on the field) to aid his development. With one of thse two organising the defence it will leave Taylor to be the all-action defender he seems destined to be. We've got a fantastic young CB prospect on our hands, and a hometown boy to boot, I just don't see how he won't be made the centerpiece of our defence. Can'tt seee Taylor learning a great deal as a CB by being stranded at full-back. Rozehnal and Cacapa were not brought in solely to aid Taylors development. They've been brought in to play out right as first choice players. Like anyone could possibly know that Skeletor. There'll be competition for the spot I'm sure, and if Cacapa and Rozenhal prove in training that they're the partnership for the job then more power to them. But I don't believe for one second that Taylor won't be given the chance to prove he's worthy of being a regular first. No-one said he won't, but you talk as though Taylor is first choice by default and these defenders are only being brought in to teach him rather than compete with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 FWIW I have found right back to be a lot tougher position than centre back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Time will tell what Sam does. I don't think any of the old guard will play all season anyway so Taylor will get his chance in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 Regardless of what team i would play, i'm convinced due to Allardyce's history and the players that he has brought in that Taylor is either going to be played at right back or isn't going to be first choice centre back. The reason for this is because Big Sam would prefer to rely on two more experianced players, such as Cacapa, Drago or Rozehnal. Taylor was the best of our defenders last year and is obviously a great prospect for the future but the lad has a heluva lot to learn and i believe Allardyce has realised this. He has a lot to learn, I'd agree. This is why we'be brought in Cacapa (vastly experienced) and Rozenhal (noted for his calmness on the field) to aid his development. With one of thse two organising the defence it will leave Taylor to be the all-action defender he seems destined to be. We've got a fantastic young CB prospect on our hands, and a hometown boy to boot, I just don't see how he won't be made the centerpiece of our defence. Can'tt seee Taylor learning a great deal as a CB by being stranded at full-back. Rozehnal and Cacapa were not brought in solely to aid Taylors development. They've been brought in to play out right as first choice players. Like anyone could possibly know that Skeletor. There'll be competition for the spot I'm sure, and if Cacapa and Rozenhal prove in training that they're the partnership for the job then more power to them. But I don't believe for one second that Taylor won't be given the chance to prove he's worthy of being a regular first. No-one said he won't, but you talk as though Taylor is first choice by default and these defenders are only being brought in to teach him rather than compete with him. Unless he struggles I do see him being the first CB name on the teamsheet tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 What about Big Sam targeting 3 more signings? Drago, Enrique, ?? ?? RB? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted August 4, 2007 Share Posted August 4, 2007 FWIW I have found right back to be a lot tougher position than centre back. That's cos you're a chunky fucker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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