Dinho lad Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 His cons aren't that worrying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Dalglish didn't win ugly though. We finished with fecking 44 points! And the half season he had where we finished 2nd we actually played good football under him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Shit article riddled with cliched half truths and speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Is that written by that Mackem bint, again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest trotter58 Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Delighted to support a club punching above its weight, Reebok regulars were not overly bothered about Bolton's modus operandi Wrong!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Delighted to support a club punching above its weight, Reebok regulars were not overly bothered about Bolton's modus operandi Wrong!!! Like a lot of the other guff she's written, as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 So many clichés its unbelievable. Anyone impressed with our style of play so far in the bigger pre-season games? Walter Mazzarri was very complimentary after yesterday. , Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 I think Allardyce deserves his own 'official' thread. This'll do though. "Pros and Cons of Sam Allardyce" from The Guardian print edition. Pros Pedigree as man manager. Dertermination to bring club into 21st century. His concentration on the defence Cons His football philosophy His thin skin His association with Sunderland http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/08/06/will_allardyce_have_the_style.html Sam Allardyce has walked into a series of small storms at Newcastle, and may need to change to satisfy Toon fans. Louise TaylorAugust 6, 2007 1:53 AM Sam Allardyce's players have been toning their muscles by standing on brand-new vibrating machines which, according to one, "turn your insides to burning liquid and make you feel as if you're trapped on top of an express train". Perhaps ominously for Newcastle United's new manager, such disconcerting sensations will be anything but unfamiliar to his recent predecessors. Kenny Dalglish, Ruud Gullit, Sir Bobby Robson, Graeme Souness and Glenn Roeder may never have perched on one of those high-tech training-ground toys but they know all about the feelings of powerlessness which have long been synonymous with managing English football's great underachievers. Not for nothing are Newcastle deemed a "high risk" post but Allardyce's challenge is to debunk this gloomy perception by securing the club's first piece of serious silverware since the 1969 Fairs Cup. A man who has been known to sign letters "Big Sam", he definitely does not lack the confidence but only time will tell whether the former Bolton manager is big enough for one of the game's warmest hot seats. Whereas his predecessors contended with the foibles of Freddy Shepherd, who handed him the job, Allardyce must answer to the sportswear retail tycoon Mike Ashley, Newcastle's new owner. On Friday Ashley bizarrely intervened in Kieron Dyer's agreed £6m transfer to West Ham, inflating the price to £8m at the last minute. The deal collapsed, apparently mystifying a disappointed Allardyce who reputedly could not believe his luck in securing £6m for an unwanted midfielder with a history of illness and injury. After seeing Alan Smith score on his debut here yesterday - the former Manchester United forward headed home a corner as Sampdoria were beaten 1-0 - Allardyce toed the party line, insisting "there's no rift". Affecting indignation he added: "We're upset with West Ham; they don't value Kieron as highly as we do. "If Curbs [the West Ham manager, Alan Curbishley] started it then we are more upset than they are. Why? That is confidential. "We decided [Dyer] was undervalued and we escalated the value to what we thought was realistic. Kieron is back with us now. Will it be difficult for Kieron? It's life, isn't it? He has got a contract. You sign it." Nevertheless with Newcastle's debts in excess of £80m, Allardyce - who expects to complete the signing of the Spain Under- 21 left-back José Enrique for £6m from Villarreal today - could have done with the Dyer money, if only to prevent further player sales. Tellingly, despite official denials, club sources insist Obafemi Martins is available for transfer. Yet if he is working against a less than ideal backdrop, Allardyce has creditably sketched out a long-term strategy to treat the root causes of Newcastle's travails rather than merely concealing each mini-crisis with "sticking plaster solutions". Having prioritised preventing the multiple injuries to which Newcastle seem peculiarly prone, the manager has forced through sizeable investment in new medical and training facilities - including those vibrating tables. The benefits, though, will not be instant. Michael Owen is sidelined by a thigh strain, Shay Given damaged his groin yesterday and Joey Barton has sustained the sort of non-preventable injury - a fractured foot - which had Gullit claiming the club was cursed. Disciples of science rather than superstition, Allardyce's army of newly hired fitness experts, some poached from Bolton, are concentrating on dragging the club's training methods towards the 21st century, and the highly rated Steve Round has been recruited to a key coaching role. Although there is universal delight at Allardyce's concentration on rebuilding one of the Premiership's most porous defences at the expense of securing the trophy signings traditionally used to paper over significant structural flaws, many fans fear Boltonesque game plans punctuated by interminable long throws and balls crashed towards the corners. Delighted to support a club punching above its weight, Reebok regulars were not overly bothered about Bolton's modus operandi but Geordies weaned on Kevin Keegan-style attacking flair demand much more. Moreover the 4-3-3 system Allardyce utilised in Lancashire could be controversial, particularly with Owen, who does not fancy operating as a wide attacker in a front three. Newcastle were in 4-4-2 mode yesterday and played in a manner suggesting a compromise between Bolton's hallmark aerial blitzes and the pass-and-move game preached by the unlucky Roeder. Not that Allardyce will be in awe of Owen. Although he does not have previous "big club" managerial experience he boasts a proven track record in handling "big name, big ego" players. Already on Tyneside the infuriatingly underachieving Albert Luque is promising to turn over a new leaf and remind everyone why he once played for Spain. Yet if the knack of taming players other managers shun should serve Allardyce well under Ashley's stewardship, he was used to his word going virtually unquestioned at Bolton. It will be different on Tyneside where everyone has a, usually strong, opinion on football and Geordies relish exercising their free speech. As Dalglish can tell him, Allardyce will soon learn that, at Newcastle, "winning ugly" rarely proves quite enough. If all that commendable long-term thinking is to come to fruition, "Big Sam's" football philosophy may need to change. Owen as a 'wide attacker'. Does she watch football? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Did she also stop watching at half-time? Before we went 4-3-3/4-5-1 in the second half? "Newcastle were in 4-4-2 mode yesterday..." How the fuck can she get a wage to write stuff like that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 I was also thinking that the big pre-season games had already dispelled the myths about his style of play. Its been quite pleasing on the eye at times. If you discount the games we've used the younger players and reserves we've only conceded 1 and scored 7 too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 As long as he's doing a good job, he should continue in the job. Needs 3 years max to turn us around though IMO and another 2 to get us challenging and winning things, depending on backing. After that, well he can write his own terms I'm sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Fook 3 years. We are already miles ahead of the absolute shit* whole of a place we were last year. We need a season to bed and maybe refine but we do actually have a shit hot squad now. Ok, lots of room for improvement. However, we can run Spurs close for 5th, no doubts. In three years, I would expect us to be top 4. Not sorting our shite out still. That has pretty much been sorted. I think big Sam will do something no man has done for a long time. Win something. Not sure when it will happen, things just feel right. At last. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 As the top 4 are clearly well ahead of us, doesnt that mean one of them has to go through a period of decline? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 That bitch is a f****** s*** journo. Ruins the guardian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 22bnw Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 He's got a fair while because Mort and Ashley may be a tad more patient Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 As the top 4 are clearly well ahead of us, doesnt that mean one of them has to go through a period of decline? Yes Arsenal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 i think big sam will stay for at least 5season...be like bobby robson, i loved him as a manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 22bnw Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 As the top 4 are clearly well ahead of us, doesnt that mean one of them has to go through a period of decline? Yes Arsenal. Chelsea? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 As the top 4 are clearly well ahead of us, doesnt that mean one of them has to go through a period of decline? Yes Arsenal. If they dont though, then why should we be able to break into the top 4? Securing and attracting the top players will always be harder for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 As the top 4 are clearly well ahead of us, doesnt that mean one of them has to go through a period of decline? Yes Arsenal. If they dont though, then why should we be able to break into the top 4? Securing and attracting the top players will always be harder for us. These things go in circles. "What time is love?" KLF. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 As the top 4 are clearly well ahead of us, doesnt that mean one of them has to go through a period of decline? Yes Arsenal. If they dont though, then why should we be able to break into the top 4? Securing and attracting the top players will always be harder for us. Need an over-achieving manager... Let's hope Sam is he. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Lefty Toon Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 If he doesn't at least get us the FA cup and finish in the top 4 by January, i can see him being sacke. Right ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 As the top 4 are clearly well ahead of us, doesnt that mean one of them has to go through a period of decline? Yes Arsenal. If they dont though, then why should we be able to break into the top 4? Securing and attracting the top players will always be harder for us. Need an over-achieving manager... Let's hope Sam is he. Ticking most of the boxes so far....Just needs a little bit of luck now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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