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Thick, selfish, spineless doormats. They’re as much of a problem as Ashley is, he knows it and relies on them continuing to willingly be s*** on whilst simultaneously stuffing cash into his pockets. If they can’t see it now then they never will, f*** them. If that's the way you feel, then let them know. Do something about it if the fans who are attending are just as bad as Ashley See individually that's impossible. Hence the reason why the campaigns are setup, social media is used etc But you know all of this.

He knows our place. Surviving is competing.

Support the poster, not the forum regime.

But if he boycotts there will be less people to cheer when we win a throw-in, which means we'll lose and be relegated. Support the fucking team!

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Time and time again you're confusing staying away due to a perceived lack of ambition with staying away due to not being very good at football. The majority of fans around the country support teams whose owners have the clubs best interests at heart and want to be the best they can be. There's the odd exception of course. I'm envious of clubs with gates of 2000 or so because they can wholeheartedly back their team knowing the whole club is striving for SOMETHING, even it it may not be achieved. So you only support a club because of ambition then? There's plenty of clubs with no ambition out there. The owners (just like ours) may come out with 'we want to win a trophy' 'want to get promoted' etc but a lot off is just bollocks to be honest We aren't the only club with a lack of ambition, there's clubs in worse states than us. Having that said just because other clubs are in worse states doesn't mean we can't be annoyed with how the club is being run Phew, thank fuck we're not Bolton, or Blackpool, or Fleetwood.

We're a yo-yo nothing club. Seymour is happy with that. Fuck him.

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat In the last 5 years they've spent £169.25m. We've spent £60.36m So yeah, they outspend us. You could have said "Burnley" as they have a very similar spend to us, but they got into Europe etc etc.... Maybe you could use Norwich and Sheff United as examples this year though. You know, similar clubs to us. :lol: Where are you getting your figures from? We spent nearly 60m in one season in the championship for f*** sake, are you for real? Never heard of net-spend? Newcastle United 19/20 £32.08m 18/19 £-10.59m 17/18 £-22.30m 16/17 £33.41m 15/16 £-92.95m TOTAL £-60.36m Brighton & Hove Albion 19/20 £-21.51m 18/19 £-67.46m 17/18 £-60.30m 16/17 £-7.88m 15/16 £-12.11m TOTAL £-169.25m But wait, that must mean they're spending money they don't really have (unless they use their match income, marketing, advertising, tv rights). Risky that. :lol: What's funny then? You said Brighton actively try to not compete. I've showed you how much money they've spent TRYING to compete. Where's your argument? So net-spend is the only thing that matters? Look at the gross spend man, we are pretty similar Nope, you're missing the point. You're claiming they are ACTIVELY TRYING TO NOT COMPETE. The figures show that they're actually attempting something in the transfer market to compete, going above their own means (because they don't have better players to sell to bigger clubs, like we've been doing). This is not a conversation about whether we spend enough btw, it was used as an example to refute your ridiculous notion that Brighton (as if they're comparable to us) are REFUSING to compete.

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat In the last 5 years they've spent £169.25m. We've spent £60.36m So yeah, they outspend us. You could have said "Burnley" as they have a very similar spend to us, but they got into Europe etc etc.... Maybe you could use Norwich and Sheff United as examples this year though. You know, similar clubs to us. :lol: Where are you getting your figures from? We spent nearly 60m in one season in the championship for f*** sake, are you for real? Never heard of net-spend? Newcastle United 19/20 £32.08m 18/19 £-10.59m 17/18 £-22.30m 16/17 £33.41m 15/16 £-92.95m TOTAL £-60.36m Brighton & Hove Albion 19/20 £-21.51m 18/19 £-67.46m 17/18 £-60.30m 16/17 £-7.88m 15/16 £-12.11m TOTAL £-169.25m But wait, that must mean they're spending money they don't really have (unless they use their match income, marketing, advertising, tv rights). Risky that. :lol: What's funny then? You said Brighton actively try to not compete. I've showed you how much money they've spent TRYING to compete. Where's your argument?

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? It's not my football club anymore. When it was my club, whether the team was good, bad or indifferent I used to attend because of the hope and excitement of not knowing where the club was going. We could be in league one and I'd have attended because we were striving for something. It's now Mike Ashley's club, where it doesn't matter, we simply exists as a service to him. There is no optimism or excitement because we're not even trying. We deliberately do as little as we possibly can to stay in the league to provide our owner with funds. Is it e entitled or deluded to want a club that attempts to improve and better itself as a opposed to capitalist entity that exists to make cash for its owner? Are you satisfied with that state of affairs? Its not entitled or deluded to want a club that improve and better itself no. Every fanbase in the country wants that. But it is entitled and deluded to say that if a club isnt trying to compete for trophies and Europe and that the aim in to stay up then there's no point. Ofcourse there's a point, or no f***er in the country would go to games But big picture, those clubs will be trying to kick on and improve. We're actively doing the opposite. Also seeing as you insist on using the trophy/Europe comment as a straw man, the club said they aren't interested in these. Not that they couldn't achieve them at this point in time, or we were years off or it was flat out unrealistic, but that they sinply aren't interested in even putting a club in a position where one day it was a possibility. It's endemic of a club that's handicapped itself for the sole purpose of making cash for its owner. Do they? How do you know exactly? Huddersfield for a example, we got promoted with, now in the championship, did they try and kick on and improve? Are Huddersfield a good comparison, in your mind? Is that our level? If you're happy with that, carry on. You realise the reason we had to get promoted with them is because Ashley's business plan resulted in us being relegated yeah?

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat In the last 5 years they've spent £169.25m. We've spent £60.36m So yeah, they outspend us. You could have said "Burnley" as they have a very similar spend to us, but they got into Europe etc etc.... Maybe you could use Norwich and Sheff United as examples this year though. You know, similar clubs to us. :lol: Where are you getting your figures from? We spent nearly 60m in one season in the championship for fuck sake, are you for real? Never heard of net-spend? Newcastle United 19/20 £32.08m 18/19 £-10.59m 17/18 £-22.30m 16/17 £33.41m 15/16 £-92.95m TOTAL £-60.36m Brighton & Hove Albion 19/20 £-21.51m 18/19 £-67.46m 17/18 £-60.30m 16/17 £-7.88m 15/16 £-12.11m TOTAL £-169.25m But wait, that must mean they're spending money they don't really have (unless they use their match income, marketing, advertising, tv rights). Risky that.

Howay man So if Rafa got us to a semi-final last year would that mean that Ashley is 'trying'? Well, erm, yeah, it would kinda show that the club's "do not entertain cup runs" policy is actually over. So yeah. Fuck you're stupid.

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches. Do they outspend us? ? In the last 4 seasons we've out spent them actually. Why would I boo 'forin' lads? Strange thing to sat In the last 5 years they've spent £169.25m. We've spent £60.36m So yeah, they outspend us. You could have said "Burnley" as they have a very similar spend to us, but they got into Europe etc etc.... Maybe you could use Norwich and Sheff United as examples this year though. You know, similar clubs to us.

Because our players don't play as well when they know the fans are staying away. It means that Arsenal will probably beat us and we'll end up relegated rather than missing out by 1 place (which we should aim for, being a little old club in the north)

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete? Brighton Outspend us. Much smaller club, not in the top 20 richest clubs in the world. Never been on record as not wanting to compete. So basically you claim that they're not trying to compete because they don't win that many matches? I'm done with you, enjoy booing the forin lads at matches.

It tells us he's not even looking at the ball!! Any player that looks at the ball at every instant in a match is going to be absolutely shit I'd be interested to see if there's a single photo out there of another player doing what Colback is doing there. It's just so bizarre I honestly can't remember seeing it before. Hate Colback but that photo means nothing tbf It was a genuine question tbh

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit s***? We'll apparently if you aren't challenging for Europe or trophies and you're only aim is to stay up, then what's the point? Thats half the league that man, can you not see how entitled that sounds? We have no right to be challenging Name me another club, even in this league, actively trying to NOT compete?

We need about 7 new players as it is without losing one of our better midfielders. Fuck, started caring again for a minute.

At least it'll give the fans someone to boo now that Perez has gone.

How are the team going to improve unless we buy a season ticket, full kit, and shop in sports direct every week? The reason why we've had to sell Perez and not bid for Rondon is people have stayed away from games so Mike has no spare money to spend. Also, we'd be top 6 if people cheered more at games. Getting top 6 means we'd be able to buy better players. Have the last 12 years showed you nothing?

It tells us he's not even looking at the ball!! Any player that looks at the ball at every instant in a match is going to be absolutely shit I'd be interested to see if there's a single photo out there of another player doing what Colback is doing there. It's just so bizarre I honestly can't remember seeing it before.

And there we go... You don't support a football club because of how good or bad it is, or if it qualifies for Europe or even attempts too for that matter. You support a football club, because its YOUR football club, not because you have a good team or not. To say 'What's what's the point?' I'm sorry but you sound entitled and deluded. Should the majority of fans in the country just stop going then? Can you name another club in the country actively not trying? Are any of them the 20th richest club in the world? Please tell me you understand that people are staying away because we're not trying, not because we're a bit shit?

Maybe a bit harsh. I'd say Ki is up there with him, Schar as well but I'm not sure who else would be in the conversation. Lejeune

Look at the insults I've taken for having the absolute temerity to go to football games, football games played by my football club Nobody is insulting you for going to the game, that's 100% your choice. You're getting insults because you're unable to grasp the importance of not going. You cling onto the whole "support the team not the regime" whilst failing to recognise that by paying to go to the game you're actually supporting the regime. You want Ashley to sell, you want things to improve, but you don't want to be part of the movement attempting to make that happen. Again, completely your choice, but if you're unable to see that your actions are actually part of the problem then you're beyond help. Enjoy the match. Please don't boo the foreign lads if they try anything a bit fancy will you.

He put the prices up because he knows he can, yes. Because he knows fans will pay it. Having said that the ticket revenue is a drop in the ocean though when it comes to our revenue, do people think that if we just boycott every game he's going to sell the club? 5 years? 10 years? 20 years? Not sure how people can go that long without going to a game but there you go What are you going for though? What are you supporting? Please don’t say ‘the team’. We are not a competitive sporting institution under Ashley. We aim for no more than survival and are actively prevented by Ashley from having any ambition beyond that. I know what this club can be. I was there during Keegan and Sir Bobby and we are not that club any more. Due to Ashley. Stop enabling him ffs So because we aren't a 'competitve sporting intuition' that means stop going to games? Basically you're saying because we're s*** and haven't got a good team unlike when Keegan and Robson was here you're not going to games anymore? Our aim is survival yes, so is half the league. You're sounding completely duluded and entitled to be honest. You'll only turn up if we've got a good team, that's not what's supporting a club is about Howay Seymour man. Until that last quote i've admired your bravery in defending the minority view (on here anyway) but that last sentence? As i said before there's more to it than just being s***. If we try but fail then fair enough, but there is no trying. I haven't said it to anyone else, but read his post man. It sounds like the reason he went to games was because we had a good team under KK and Robson, and now because we're s**** and fighting relegation who won't go anymore. I understand what you mean, we have the capabilities to be so much more under Ashley. Under Westwood, Mckeag etc we never really had the major, major money that Ashley has You absolute muppet. I’d go and watch us under any regime and in any league we were in as long as we were trying to compete. Don’t ever put words into my mouth again you utter clown. if you say so So in order to watch the club you support, we have to 'compete'? Why can't you just support your football club? Surely you support your football club because that's your football club not because it's 'competing' or not You're not arsed that the team you care so dearly about is actively and overtly trying to avoid being successful? . Ofcourse I am, I want the club to be successful obviously. But me supporting the club isn't dependant on where we finish or not. That is the answer to the question: 'are you not arsed that the club you care so dearly about isn't successful?' I asked you: are you not arsed that the team you care so dearly about is actively and overtly trying to avoid being successful? Or do you think we are trying to be successful? Do you reckon Rafa to Bruce was a decision driven by an effort to be successful? Ofcourse I am, and yeah it does feel like Ashley goes out of his way for us not to be successful. And ofcourse that pisses me off. And no I don't, I've already said I didn't want Bruce and I've already said we should have done a hell of a lot more to keep Rafa So, with that in mind, what's your motivation for going? I'm not trying to be an arse to you here, I genuinely want to know. If you accept that you're funding a falsity, are you prepared for things to always be this way? Are you not interested in trying to force a change? My motivation for going is that I still despite all negativity on here enjoy going to games, the win against Man City last season was fantastic, I wouldn't want to miss that. We had a group of players last season that really give a s*** and really gave their all for the club. Not the best group of players but you can't fault their efforts Am I prepared for things to be this way? Well I don't want things to be this way, I want us to be fighting at the top end of the table like we all do, but if this is what the club is at the moment then this is where the club is. Am I interested in trying to force a change? Like I've said if I thought boycotting and not going would get rid off Ashley then I'd cancel my season ticket tomorrow but sadly I don't think it would. If the stadium was empty, away fans aside, every single match - do you think it would accelerate Ashley's likelihood of leaving or not? No I don't, if I did think that I wouldn't go. I think you’re maybe just a bit dim.

Not even the best passer at the club. Top 4 maybe.