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f***ing hell, what a mentalist beats me why so many people read the s**** that she puts out, never mind the rag full stop I bet you were enjoying it until you got to this bit though: I do remember some people claiming that Phil Gartside was a good chairman. Don't really know where they got the idea from, probably on account of the fact that Allardyce did a great job at Bolton, who then promoted Sammy Lee, like lots of other chairman who appoint number 2's into the number 1. When was the last time we promoted a number 2 to a number 1? I'm failing to see if you're meaning it's positive or negative tbh. why do you want to know when we last promoted a number 2 ? I'm pointing out that, according to many people, you don't appoint number 2's, yet supposedly good chairman elsewhere have promoted number 2's to the manager's job ? Lots of them have, in fact, and some of them have also been very successful. At the time, I thought giving Roeder a crack had some merit. It seems now that Shearer was a good number 2 to Roeder, and very influential. But thats just hindsight and speculation, although hindsight views suit some people who can't state a judgement. So it didn't work out for him, and correctly for NUFC having ambitions much higher than mid table positions, they decided they wanted better, unlike Ashley and also unlike their predecessors. roeder wasn't our no.2 but he did continue the rot that started with souness. 7th in the league. A position gained only twice in over 30 years prior to 1992. You consider that failure ? It confirms everything I've said about ambition and expectation. Well it was 2 places lower than we DESERVED to be, according to you. He wasn't a number 2 either, which is why I asked who you meant? Ok, he wasn't number 2, but he had been caretaker manager before doing well and getting the permanent role ? Very very few people on here wanted him appointed as manager though, so you can hardly claim it was hindsight. wanted him as first choice ? Of course not, how many first choice managers do you appoint, I wouldn't even expect Ashley to appoint Wenger or Ferguson, but they were happy to go with it and thought he might have done it, including me which I will admit I said it was worth a crack. To say otherwise now after the event is what I mean by hindsight. But he did well at first, with Shearer alongside him, and that is why he was considered because he certainly wouldn't have been if he hadn't done well, thats obvious isn't it ? My earlier comments are true BTW. Gartside was praised by many people for some reason, as being better than Shepherd [who wasn't, what do they think now ?]. Then Shepherd appointed Gartsides manager - Shepherd was criticised for appointing a caretaker to the full job, then Gartside went and did exactly the same thing - you couldn't make up such stuff. Laughable. Personality driven agendas. Laughable. Does your information on what people wanted come from other places, as I can't remember any of what you're claiming. Are you just commenting on what you hear down the pub? Serious question by the way, because the majority of people on here were gutted when Roeder was appointed. And who has ever mentioned Gartside on here other than you? old server , old server. As you know. Might even have been you that said Gartside was "better than Fred" tbh, I did have one or two debates with you about the merits of the fat bastard, but won't say for certain as I can't prove it ......... but now that you are here, do you now think that the old fat bastard was much better than the new fat bastard, based on results rather than personal agendas you understand ? Honest answer? I honestly don't know. The club was going backwards, and it's still going backwards. Whether there's actually anyone out there capable of getting us to go forwards again, I don't know. I don't agree with Ashley's policy of not spending, but I also didn't agree with Fred's policy of spending money which we didn't have. You're basically asking me to choose between aids and cancer. I've never mentioned Gartside in any conversation on this board until this thread by the way.

A player who will never come back to England. Great plan. Impressive that you answer back after i've already posted that the deal is dead. Anyway.... Craig Bellamy looks set to leave West Ham after angrily storming out of the club's Chadwell Heath training ground. In a move that will push the Wales international closer to the exit door at Upton Park, he told officials that he wanted to discuss a possible £12million move to Tottenham, and, when permission was denied, he reacted in fury. It would seem unlikely that he will now play in Sundays match at home to Fulham after not taking part in Friday's training session. Both Spurs and Manchester City have had bids of £12m turned down for the 29 year old and, outwardly, the Hammers are still insisting that he is not for sale. But the fact that Bellamy has said he wants out should ensure that Redknapp gets his man. Yeah sorry, I was reading the page from the top rather than the bottom Bellamy's been at West Ham longer than 10 minutes, so it's about time he changed clubs tbh

A player who will never come back to England. Great plan.

It's the same EVERY SINGLE JANUARY WINDOW Calm down people. It's more than likely that we'll sign nobody of any note, but we can't complain that deals haven't been completed at a time where they never are.

Quite a young turn out was it?

Stay positive lads. We might not sign anyone, but we're clearly trying

f***ing hell, what a mentalist beats me why so many people read the s**** that she puts out, never mind the rag full stop I bet you were enjoying it until you got to this bit though: I do remember some people claiming that Phil Gartside was a good chairman. Don't really know where they got the idea from, probably on account of the fact that Allardyce did a great job at Bolton, who then promoted Sammy Lee, like lots of other chairman who appoint number 2's into the number 1. When was the last time we promoted a number 2 to a number 1? I'm failing to see if you're meaning it's positive or negative tbh. why do you want to know when we last promoted a number 2 ? I'm pointing out that, according to many people, you don't appoint number 2's, yet supposedly good chairman elsewhere have promoted number 2's to the manager's job ? Lots of them have, in fact, and some of them have also been very successful. At the time, I thought giving Roeder a crack had some merit. It seems now that Shearer was a good number 2 to Roeder, and very influential. But thats just hindsight and speculation, although hindsight views suit some people who can't state a judgement. So it didn't work out for him, and correctly for NUFC having ambitions much higher than mid table positions, they decided they wanted better, unlike Ashley and also unlike their predecessors. roeder wasn't our no.2 but he did continue the rot that started with souness. 7th in the league. A position gained only twice in over 30 years prior to 1992. You consider that failure ? It confirms everything I've said about ambition and expectation. Well it was 2 places lower than we DESERVED to be, according to you. He wasn't a number 2 either, which is why I asked who you meant? Ok, he wasn't number 2, but he had been caretaker manager before doing well and getting the permanent role ? Very very few people on here wanted him appointed as manager though, so you can hardly claim it was hindsight. wanted him as first choice ? Of course not, how many first choice managers do you appoint, I wouldn't even expect Ashley to appoint Wenger or Ferguson, but they were happy to go with it and thought he might have done it, including me which I will admit I said it was worth a crack. To say otherwise now after the event is what I mean by hindsight. But he did well at first, with Shearer alongside him, and that is why he was considered because he certainly wouldn't have been if he hadn't done well, thats obvious isn't it ? My earlier comments are true BTW. Gartside was praised by many people for some reason, as being better than Shepherd [who wasn't, what do they think now ?]. Then Shepherd appointed Gartsides manager - Shepherd was criticised for appointing a caretaker to the full job, then Gartside went and did exactly the same thing - you couldn't make up such stuff. Laughable. Personality driven agendas. Laughable. Does your information on what people wanted come from other places, as I can't remember any of what you're claiming. Are you just commenting on what you hear down the pub? Serious question by the way, because the majority of people on here were gutted when Roeder was appointed. And who has ever mentioned Gartside on here other than you?

Not a dig at you personally Wullie, but why don't you see it as paying 2 grand to support the club, rather than to fill Ashley's coffers? At the end of the day isn't that the whole point? I wish I lived in the UK to follow the team around, but life isn't that simple. The money should be supporting the club but it isn't. It's paying for one tiny fraction of Mike's casino chips on any given night. I don't give a shit about people supporting the club from far and wide, good on them. I do however have a problem with them calling me a retard because I haven't the first interest in hearing more of Mike Ashley's lies. Very easy to say when you don't sit through humiliation every week at St James' and don't pay good money to have the piss taken out of you. Your money goes to pay Duff's wages

Spot the ball?

f***ing hell, what a mentalist beats me why so many people read the s**** that she puts out, never mind the rag full stop I bet you were enjoying it until you got to this bit though: I do remember some people claiming that Phil Gartside was a good chairman. Don't really know where they got the idea from, probably on account of the fact that Allardyce did a great job at Bolton, who then promoted Sammy Lee, like lots of other chairman who appoint number 2's into the number 1. When was the last time we promoted a number 2 to a number 1? I'm failing to see if you're meaning it's positive or negative tbh. why do you want to know when we last promoted a number 2 ? I'm pointing out that, according to many people, you don't appoint number 2's, yet supposedly good chairman elsewhere have promoted number 2's to the manager's job ? Lots of them have, in fact, and some of them have also been very successful. At the time, I thought giving Roeder a crack had some merit. It seems now that Shearer was a good number 2 to Roeder, and very influential. But thats just hindsight and speculation, although hindsight views suit some people who can't state a judgement. So it didn't work out for him, and correctly for NUFC having ambitions much higher than mid table positions, they decided they wanted better, unlike Ashley and also unlike their predecessors. roeder wasn't our no.2 but he did continue the rot that started with souness. 7th in the league. A position gained only twice in over 30 years prior to 1992. You consider that failure ? It confirms everything I've said about ambition and expectation. Well it was 2 places lower than we DESERVED to be, according to you. He wasn't a number 2 either, which is why I asked who you meant? Ok, he wasn't number 2, but he had been caretaker manager before doing well and getting the permanent role ? Very very few people on here wanted him appointed as manager though, so you can hardly claim it was hindsight.

f***ing hell, what a mentalist beats me why so many people read the s**** that she puts out, never mind the rag full stop I bet you were enjoying it until you got to this bit though: I do remember some people claiming that Phil Gartside was a good chairman. Don't really know where they got the idea from, probably on account of the fact that Allardyce did a great job at Bolton, who then promoted Sammy Lee, like lots of other chairman who appoint number 2's into the number 1. When was the last time we promoted a number 2 to a number 1? I'm failing to see if you're meaning it's positive or negative tbh. why do you want to know when we last promoted a number 2 ? I'm pointing out that, according to many people, you don't appoint number 2's, yet supposedly good chairman elsewhere have promoted number 2's to the manager's job ? Lots of them have, in fact, and some of them have also been very successful. At the time, I thought giving Roeder a crack had some merit. It seems now that Shearer was a good number 2 to Roeder, and very influential. But thats just hindsight and speculation, although hindsight views suit some people who can't state a judgement. So it didn't work out for him, and correctly for NUFC having ambitions much higher than mid table positions, they decided they wanted better, unlike Ashley and also unlike their predecessors. roeder wasn't our no.2 but he did continue the rot that started with souness. 7th in the league. A position gained only twice in over 30 years prior to 1992. You consider that failure ? It confirms everything I've said about ambition and expectation. Well it was 2 places lower than we DESERVED to be, according to you. He wasn't a number 2 either, which is why I asked who you meant?

Is Kaka really any better than Juninho?

Is there any need to go down that tangent. NE5 gets vilified for always bringing Old Board/New Board arguments into completely unrelated threads. Plenty of people on here like him yet avoid criticism. EDIT :Not trying to specifically point the finger at you O-N but I just didnt think that kind of comment was required or relevant It was funny though, which I'm guessing was his intention?

Fucking hell, what a mentalist beats me why so many people read the shite that she puts out, never mind the rag full stop I bet you were enjoying it until you got to this bit though: I do remember some people claiming that Phil Gartside was a good chairman. Don't really know where they got the idea from, probably on account of the fact that Allardyce did a great job at Bolton, who then promoted Sammy Lee, like lots of other chairman who appoint number 2's into the number 1. When was the last time we promoted a number 2 to a number 1? I'm failing to see if you're meaning it's positive or negative tbh.

I dont know! Martins, Owen, Coloccini, Duff, Viduka, Butt and Beye on paper at least, make us look like a big club. Apart from Arteta and Yak i dont think they have anyone of that profile I was thinking more about the league table. Someone needs to go all NE5 on you Dave!

That's the main issue. We haven't had a good manager since Robson.

Sitting on that fence again Dave? Just winds me up. Some of these idiots have been registered for a long, long time. No chance of a link then? *whistles*

Sitting on that fence again Dave?

Playing isn't he?

Shame. As soon as that deal goes through (which it still might) Billy can go back to Scunny

Doesn't really matter when our wingers can't cross tbh

Its a fear shared by many. Our home form against the other relegation candidates has been s****. Home and away weve only beaten one of the clubs who people seem conceived are worse than us? If were not well clear of the relegation zone by the time we go to WHL anything can happen. Wonder goals, flukey goals, dodgy pens, sleepy linesmen, injury problems, flared tempers. Surviving the relegation run in is a question of nerve. It's a pressure cooker and I cant see NUFC being up to the challenge - both supporters and players are already battered and bruised by this seasons events. Clubs like Stoke and Hull have a far better sense of purpose and direction, and a far greater strength of unity. NUFC is on its knees. Having three or four top quality players is our one advantage. How many of them will still be here next month remains to be seen. This is also spot-on - you just have to look at Stoke's battling effort to get a point from Liverpool to see the difference ; they are making up for supposed 'lack of quality' by fighting for their lives, a quality that NUFC clearly don't possess . People talk about WBA being 'already gone' but in many games they have actually played better passing football than NUFC ; back in 1986, we were in danger of relegation but Paul Goddard, never a recognised prolific goal-scorer, went on a scoring run from about Feb which saved our bacon...Goddard was, however, a very good player - we have nobody in that mould now, and if WBA were to unearth someone who can get goals better than their current squad, they will be able to mount a recovery ; Bolton have a record of escaping in the past and Wigan are picking up results... Its going to be tough unless the team is strengthened considerably... Is your head that far up your arse you cant remember Chelsea away? And is yours so far up your own(not uncommon for you either..)that you don't remember Liverpool at home, or have you just discovered selective memory loss...? You said a battling effort to get a point was a quality we dont possess. I never said falling apart and playing like s*** was a quality we did not possess. Not like you to lose the train of logic. The difference is that when Stoke played us at SJP, they battled right to the end and got a point - people keep saying that they have so-called 'inferior' players to us, but that means nothing unless so-called 'superiority' is combined with determination and organization ; they HAVE battled better than us , and OK, we had a poor side out against Liverpool, but nobody can deny that Stoke gave them a MUCH tougher game at the Britannia then we did at SJP ; they tried to win the game right to the end, even if it wasn't pretty to watch, and those qualities are the ones that will keep you up in a tight battle. Did anyone really expect us to surrender 1-5 at home, even with some first-teamers missing? The above comments can also be applied to clubs like Wigan and Fulham... In any case, a club like NUFC should NOT have such a thin, threadbare squad - that is why I am so annoyed at the policy(or lack of it) that the club has adopted. But you surely dont deny that going to Chelsea and sealing a draw away from home demonstrates the squad has the sort of battling qualities that Stoke displayed at home against Liverpool? I can point at Stoke's 5-0 demolition at Old Trafford to make a point that there squad is s*** and they cant battle the way we do, hence demonstrating the complete futility of highlighting one game to make a general point about the abilities and characteristics of a squad. The loss against Liverpool was particularly distressing for me since i'd given up my usual seat to accomodate someone who hadnt been for a few years and bought two extra tickets as xmas presents, ended up sitting next to someone who clearly had learning difficulities as he spent the entire match informing me that his "mam is cooking him roast potatoes at 4" and "he was having chicken for his dinner on new years" and other such pearls of footballing wisdom. Tbf i don't think it was our qualities that preserved a point at Chelsea, it was more our good luck and their lack of finishing. Could easily have been a Liverpool score line. You could say the same thing about a lot of matches. However, I think the table is based on the final result?

Yeah, but, ignoring the stats....

This guy is a comedian. I'd say it's about the same. Taking away the two freak injuries, they've probably missed a similar number of games the past couple of seasons through niggly injuries. And still Owen gets stick....