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I can't see him ever realising that he needs to drop Butt. Keegan wouldn't drop Butt either to be fair. Never really had the options to. Kinnear at least now has Guthrie and Barton available to start. Not strictly true. Geremi can play centre mid as can N'Zogbia, both imo better options than Butt but Keegan never played them in the middle alongside Guthrie. Playing Geremi there is just as bad due to the fact neither can run. N'Zogbia is all over the place when he plays there.

I can't see him ever realising that he needs to drop Butt. Keegan wouldn't drop Butt either to be fair. Never really had the options to. Kinnear at least now has Guthrie and Barton available to start.

Close the thread then and stop complaining. You'd been waiting for that hadn't you?

I can't see him ever realising that he needs to drop Butt.

Jews winning 1-0. I know. That's why they're letting us down.

Come on Bolton. Don't let us down.

They weren't spineless against Everton and Man City. Were against Hull, Blackburn, Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham and most importantly the Mackems though.

Definitely one of the most spineless though.

If ever God pwned a post that was it.

Ie the success spoilt players like Butt, Geremi and Duff? I think it will just happen without saying. We need a manager with real balls.

There's only one thing to say about Kinnear's team selection, tactics, motivation and substitutions today: http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1293/mooovz2.gif

Could end up being as important to us as Tevez was to West Ham in their survival.

I have a horrible vision he'll still be playing for us when he's 40...probably in a zimmer frame.

I'm already depressed I don't need that mental image thanks.

Anyone got a time machine? I'd quite like to go back to after the Bolton game and enjoy things again.

Yeah.....but....well...

They strengthened we didn't. Which was his point...

Domestic managers always favour British players. It's the way it is. I'm sure if we got a continental manager in he'd look at Taylor and think "he's a bit shit" and play other players instead.

2-2 draw. Will be another two stupid goals conceeded, clueless midfield providing absolutely nothing and we'll probably scrape the result just.

Jonas just highlights how terrible the rest of our midfield is. The fact that we had to keep giving him the ball to make anything happen near the end said it all.

You know when goals like that go in against you that it's not your day. My hope disappeared when that hit the back of the net.

Nicky Butt had a good game today. A quality freekick and shocking defending from Taylor are what cost us the match. Our goal and best spell came when he was in the dressing room getting treatment. The first goal was a result of him being too crocked to close down Malbranque and the second his stupid tackle. I dislike Butt as much as anyone... I think he should be nowhere near the first team. However, today he was one of the few winning the ball for us. He stepped up while others flapped. Implying that we scored because he wasn't on the pitch is moronic. Implying that Butt was to blame for the second goal when Taylor was 5 yards away from the goal scorer - the man he souldn't have been marking - is just as bad. He gave away the freekick they scored from... if he hadn't then Cisse had just walked through our defence and was one-on-one with Given. If you want a scapegoat there are far better candidates today than Nicky Butt. He's still s***, though. It's not moronic. We also picked up when he was replaced by Barton. He holds the team back. It's not the first or even the second time he's done it this season either. He may have an excuse today not being fully fit, but then Kinnear should have recognised that and not started him.

Nicky Butt had a good game today. A quality freekick and shocking defending from Taylor are what cost us the match. Our goal and best spell came when he was in the dressing room getting treatment. The first goal was a result of him being too crocked to close down Malbranque and the second his stupid tackle.

Think Kinnear bottled it by letting the fans decide whether Barton came on or not and once again Nicky Butt costs us a match. Absolutely gutted .

Basing it on the fact that Boro vs Sunderland wasn't up to much when he played for them. He also thinks us vs Everton is a derby .