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It might not be a crime but when you buy the ticket you agree to the terms and conditions of it. Sitting for most of the game is one of them. They're well within their legal rights to cancel season tickets if you're* standing rather than sitting for the majority of the game. *not you personally obviously.

Nah. Real Madrid/Barca >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other Spanish sides. They'd piss allover the Prem too, though. Quite probably. Doesn't mean the overall quality of La Liga is better. The quality of the bottom half of the Prem is grossly overrated. Some absolute dross in this league. Fair proportion of fans who mistake 'excitement' for 'quality' and swallow Sky's "bestest league in the world shite". A game can be exciting and end-to-end but full of poor football. Poor football = mistakes = goals =/= quality football.

Got every faith in Ba to hit 12-15 this season but he's going to need more support and service than he got on Saturday. Thankfully we won't be playing Arsenal every week and he'll get fitter and better as the season goes on.

Dirty twat. edit: Pepe, not Tooj.

That's the issue. Will he be worth his wages in 2 or 3 years time? How easy will it be to shift him off the wagebill? It's ok for now but long-term it's going to be a problem.

He may only have cost £1m but they've thrown him a 4 year deal on about £50k a week from what I can gather. He's 31 now... Seemed like a good debut from the bits and pieces I did see though.

How demoralising must that be? Dominate Barca for a full half and go in 2-1 down. Silly little boys.

As much as I would like to see safe standing areas brought back into to the ground it's simply not going to happen. I honestly think that if some supporters refuse to sit during the games they'll be warned a few times then they'll have their tickets taken from them one at a time. The stewards will just identify any seats where the spectator is constantly and they'll lose their tickets.

Have a bit of that, Real.

He's got nothing to offer us full stop imo. The fact he's still getting a game despite younger players (thinking Vuckic) impressing in pre-season is disgraceful. Cut the strings and let him go ffs. We've got some players with the potential to be much better than Lovenkrands has ever been but can't get a place in the matchday squad because of him*. *Not his fault he gets picked.

There is also the flip side, where we sign a new LB before Enrique goes.... Liverpool then know we have two 'first choice' left backs... one of which desperately wants away, and they start throwing lower offers in for JE. Its just that fine balancing act of trying to get the best price for our player, but also trying not to pay over the odds for the next one. Liverpool know how it works because they've got football people running their club whereas we're run by people who have little experience. In January Liverpool had a similar situation with trying to offload Torres and buy Carroll. They made it clear they weren't prepared to sell Torres until they signed Carroll. They played it perfectly, getting exactly what they wanted whereas we were left short. They've just taken Enrique and Lo and behold we've been left short again. Anyone spotting any patterns here? At least we've not sold him on deadline day I suppose.... Looking at yesterday's game Liverpool seem to hae spent a fortune on going backwards. Charlie Adam and Jordan Henderson are barely better than most run of the mill premier midfielders and they looked a lot less fluid as a team than the one which was starting last season. If that's what having proper football people at the club gets you then they are welcome to it. My frustration comes from the actual logistics and timings of their transfers though. Couldn't care less about the names on the back of the shirts and the money changing hands, it's how they've gone about it. They've brought in who they wanted at a price they were comfortable paying.

Fair point. Any benefit was purely financial though which, as you say, is fairly irrelevant if it's not going to be used. I'm frustrated that we make these deals purely to maximise income rather than do what's best for the team. That's my criticism.

There is also the flip side, where we sign a new LB before Enrique goes.... Liverpool then know we have two 'first choice' left backs... one of which desperately wants away, and they start throwing lower offers in for JE. Its just that fine balancing act of trying to get the best price for our player, but also trying not to pay over the odds for the next one. Liverpool know how it works because they've got football people running their club whereas we're run by people who have little experience. In January Liverpool had a similar situation with trying to offload Torres and buy Carroll. They made it clear they weren't prepared to sell Torres until they signed Carroll. They played it perfectly, getting exactly what they wanted whereas we were left short. They've just taken Enrique and Lo and behold we've been left short again. Anyone spotting any patterns here? At least we've not sold him on deadline day I suppose.... I'm not disagreeing with your main point about managing the timing of transfers, but I'm really not convinced that paying £35m for Carroll could be called a good end result for Liverpool. quayside man, get used to it, whichever way we do things is wrong. if we do it the other way next time it'll be wrong again. Not at all. I just think there's a right way and a wrong way to replace a key player. Had we signed Enrique's replacement the day before selling Enrique I'd have been the first to congratulate them. We've been put in the position of playing Ryan Taylor there and that's not acceptable imo. We needed to replace first, we didn't. it's easier said than done. as quayside has pointed out you could also end up being forced into selling even cheaper and we don't really know what made the transfer happen at that particular time (i noted in the enrique thread the timing seemed strange). many clubs have done this, most clubs i'd say haven't finished the their transfers for this summer but seemingly it's only us who are crap at it. I suppose we'll only know come Sept 1st. Not particularly bothered if other clubs are crap at it too. I'm only concerned about how we operate and we've sold both Carroll and Enrique without replacing them to convenience Liverpool. I'd like them to do what's best for us from a footballing point of view rather than a financial point of view. Put the football team first. If that means spending a bit of cash then fucking do it.

There is also the flip side, where we sign a new LB before Enrique goes.... Liverpool then know we have two 'first choice' left backs... one of which desperately wants away, and they start throwing lower offers in for JE. Its just that fine balancing act of trying to get the best price for our player, but also trying not to pay over the odds for the next one. Liverpool know how it works because they've got football people running their club whereas we're run by people who have little experience. In January Liverpool had a similar situation with trying to offload Torres and buy Carroll. They made it clear they weren't prepared to sell Torres until they signed Carroll. They played it perfectly, getting exactly what they wanted whereas we were left short. They've just taken Enrique and Lo and behold we've been left short again. Anyone spotting any patterns here? At least we've not sold him on deadline day I suppose.... I'm not disagreeing with your main point about managing the timing of transfers, but I'm really not convinced that paying £35m for Carroll could be called a good end result for Liverpool. quayside man, get used to it, whichever way we do things is wrong. if we do it the other way next time it'll be wrong again. Not at all. I just think there's a right way and a wrong way to replace a key player. Had we signed Enrique's replacement the day before selling Enrique I'd have been the first to congratulate them. We've been put in the position of playing Ryan Taylor there and that's not acceptable imo. We needed to replace first, we didn't.

There is also the flip side, where we sign a new LB before Enrique goes.... Liverpool then know we have two 'first choice' left backs... one of which desperately wants away, and they start throwing lower offers in for JE. Its just that fine balancing act of trying to get the best price for our player, but also trying not to pay over the odds for the next one. Liverpool know how it works because they've got football people running their club whereas we're run by people who have little experience. In January Liverpool had a similar situation with trying to offload Torres and buy Carroll. They made it clear they weren't prepared to sell Torres until they signed Carroll. They played it perfectly, getting exactly what they wanted whereas we were left short. They've just taken Enrique and Lo and behold we've been left short again. Anyone spotting any patterns here? At least we've not sold him on deadline day I suppose.... I'm not disagreeing with your main point about managing the timing of transfers, but I'm really not convinced that paying £35m for Carroll could be called a good end result for Liverpool. More to do with the fact they got rid of the player they needed to move on and replaced him with who they wanted. The 50m from Chelsea paid for Carroll as has already been well documented. It wad more the process of replacing him rather than the sums of money involved.

There is also the flip side, where we sign a new LB before Enrique goes.... Liverpool then know we have two 'first choice' left backs... one of which desperately wants away, and they start throwing lower offers in for JE. Its just that fine balancing act of trying to get the best price for our player, but also trying not to pay over the odds for the next one. Liverpool know how it works because they've got football people running their club whereas we're run by people who have little experience. In January Liverpool had a similar situation with trying to offload Torres and buy Carroll. They made it clear they weren't prepared to sell Torres until they signed Carroll. They played it perfectly, getting exactly what they wanted whereas we were left short. They've just taken Enrique and Lo and behold we've been left short again. Anyone spotting any patterns here? At least we've not sold him on deadline day I suppose....

Honestly don't think he would sign an extension if we offered him one. I think he would prefer to wait and see how things pan out this season.

This is what happens when you sell before you replace. The selling club cotton on to the fact we're getting a bit desperate, they raise his price, make things difficult safe in the knowledge that the window is closing. The more they procrastinate the better chance they have of making a lot of money. The longer it goes on the more PSV can push it knowing they hold all of the cards. This situation is entirely of our own making and completely preventable.

Song will get 3 games out, nailed on. It's violent conduct.

QPR won't get out of the bottom 4 or 5 all season.

Worth remembering that Arsenal had the best away record in the league last season. To keep a clean sheet and take a point is a good start to the season and something to build on.

Fair comment tbh.

I'm genuinely baffled by his popularity. Odious man. Thrives on the oxygen of publicity. I'd just starve him of oxygen. He's a cunt.

Genuinely expected Barton to get a red for grabbing Gervinho like that.

He'll need a few months to get up to speed with our league but looks like a player. Arsenal today followed by the derby is a bit of a baptism of fire for him and we don't need him blowing out of his arse after 70 minutes next week. That said we won't be chasing the ball as much as Sunderland don't keep it as well as Arsenal do.