madras

he had some good games, ones that he was never given credit for, thats the way it is for scapegoats.

The plain and simple fact though is that he wasn't good enough when he was here. How he's doing now is irrelevant. If it was just our fans who thought he was s****, why was he on the dole for 18 months? maybe all folk could remember was his form at the end when he was injured and pissed off ?

How do you know that? Look at Peterborough and Scunthorpe. why did you miss leicester out ?

Not desperate enough to lower the price to one that will actually get the club sold though. In other words not desperate at all. Exactly. Until the club is marketed at something like a reasonable price, we'll remain in Ashley's hands. bit of this, bit of that. he'll not be desperate to sell right now because he'll be able to get more should we get promoted. others won't want to show their hands to early in case they risk buying us now to get a cheaper price but end up with a championship club should we not get promoted. it seemed he had a reasonable price that someone else agreed to but couldn't get the money together. in my view he is desperate to sell but isn't so much on his uppers that he'll take less than what he thinks he can get.

so how much have you watched of him ?. saying you've watched him for 2 years seems a bit misleading in this case .

Personally speaking, i've watched Beckford for two years at Elland Road and he often looks a woeful player in league 1, he'll last a few games at best in the premiership before everyone at SJP turns on him. you've a season ticket at elland road ?

Exactly, and even then goals might not be gurantee'd. The fact is any striker we sign is going to be a gamble. With the amount of money we've got availible you simply aren't going to get a proven goalscorer, therefore any buy will be a risk, you've just got to hope it pays off. A lot of it is pot luck I suppose. if we buy him for 2mill, get promotrd and he looks poor in the prem. does anyone think we'd get much less than 2mill if we sold him on with a couple of years left on his contract ?

being honest, no matter how poorly we've played this season if there is one thing we've managed to do it's create or have chances handed to us.

Best cancel all international sport while we're about it, after all, remember Munich 1958 etc. Let's all be scared of everything. munich 58 is a poor excuse. munich 72 is far closer.

aye. but no guarantee it'll be jan 31st 2010.

i wouldn't go above 2mill mostly based on that if it doesn't work out i think we'd still get our money back.

You could never guarantee anyone's security 100% ever, anywhere. Ok then shall I rephrase. They should not put in an enivronment that is currently the subject of a conflict, as was mentioned in the BBC article. Well, they were driving to Angola from their training camp in Congo-Brazzaville, through a conflict-ridden exclave of Angola. Whose fault was that? Say, there was a tournament in Scotland, and a team bus travelling from their training ground in the Republic of Ireland got attacked by terrorists in conflict-ridden Northern Ireland. Would that be a reason to cancel any tournament held in Europe? games are being held in that conflict ridden region i believe whos fault is that? They are? That detail escaped me. I thought they were just passing through. Angola's fault, then, I suppose. OTOH, teams had been told by the CAF to fly, not travel overland -- a stipulation that the Togo team ignored. They weren't told to fly, the CAF merely "expected" them to fly. Oh yeah? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/international/article6981351.ece http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/08/togo-football-team-ambushed-angola So they deserved to be shot at and their driver killed? Christ man, just because they chose to go by bus, doesn't mean they're to blame for what happened. The issue was about whether security measures could have prevented this happening. I'd say such measures as were supposed to be in place would have stood a better chance if they hadn't simply been ignored, wouldn't you? should the tournament be held anywhere where teams have to fly for general safety from this sort of thing ?

true. there are plenty of other reasons not to have the world cup in south africa mind.

financially he's not even that great a risk.

alternativly pay the little bit extra now safe in the knowledge that if he doesn't make the grade SHOULD we get promoted we can almost certainly sell him for at least what we paid whereas with harewood we pay and get little back on the pitch and nothing back financially. So if Villa wanted £200k for Harewood til June you know he will score here, where is the problem? We now have 6 months to find who we should get rather than wasting everyones time as we all know your perfect world scenario is an utter crock i don't know he'll score here. lets be honest for most of his time here the majority wouldn't have gave him a start due to his performances. if we get someone on loan i hope we are looking at who else is available.

i agree with this to a large part. the performances of carr, duff , bramble and parker where never as bad as certain sections of the crowd tried to make out. crowds have fovourites and they also like scapegoats and once a player has the tag it takes a hell of a lot to get rid of it. i'd also say that some players appear to get a very easy ride of the crowd (beye in his final season, gutierrez this season for example). it's nothing new as i remember tommy gibb getting dogs abuse while jimmy smith was allowed to get away with murder.

alternativly pay the little bit extra now safe in the knowledge that if he doesn't make the grade SHOULD we get promoted we can almost certainly sell him for at least what we paid whereas with harewood we pay and get little back on the pitch and nothing back financially.

reading the story its spurs who made the offer of 5m plus carew for keane so that explains that that doesn't sound right. spurs got in touch with villa to say give us 5mill and carew and you can have keane ?

whereas i think he looks like will smith in his fresh prince days.

jonas gutierrez http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Wd6qqRAYH7v91M:http://www.rankopedia.com/CandidatePix/22265.gif mario yepes http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:q2cb2f2IqZDlpM:http://images.teamtalk.com/08/08/800x600/JonasGutierrez_1144516.jpg

many will say it means we'll sell taylor for 4mill.

come on now gash, what was the real source of that or are we to believe that you watch slovakian tele ? or was it SSN reporting what was on "bratislava at ten" and you want to sound exotic ?

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and getting beat as i type.

It's about time you change tbh, I still haven't got the hang of the crazy 4/6 s*** you guys do, especially when doing accumulators. took me ages to get the hang of deciaml odds. most betting sites that use them let you hang the cursor over them and it shows the fractional equivilent. How is it hard to get the hang of decimal odds? For example £5 x 2.30 = £11.5 You just multiply your money with the odds. Much easier than trying to understand whatever 4/6 or 11/2 means. maybe cos i was brought up on fractional odds. getting used to the idea that 2 and not 1 was evens used to throw me. edit...also when doing fractionals it's easier to do the profit as you dont have to then subtract your stake.