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what about psychological ? i've never checked but i reckon if anyone was looking at starting up a psychotherapy practise, the newcastle/north tryneside area would be a prime spot cos of this here football club.

He's a shrewd journalist in that he realises that you can win just as many readers by writing what people want to hear as you can by writing a load of controversial, complaint inspiring nonsense like the majority of journalists do. That article is just that, what a lot of people want to hear. Or what some spoilt numpties don't like to hear... The last sentence of bobyule wasn't there when I first replied. What a load of nonsense. Reducing Keegan's managerial credentials on a lack of trophies is so ignorant that you hardly can take it serious. Anyway. Football isn't about winning, it's about how you play. © Johan Cruijff I'd agree the last sentence of bobyule's post isn't right at all. Well taking a look at the records, I see that Cruyff won 24 trophies as a player, and 11 as a manager. You don't get a haul like that if winning isn't important to you. Winning shouldn't be the only thing, but it is important. Surely. There's a difference between being a good manager and being a winner. A winner has a bit of steel which takes them through the inevitably dodgy times when things aren't going well and everyone's saying how crap you are. It also helps if you have good ideas and good judgement that you feel you can rely on. That way when you're under pressure you still think clearly. For me, Keegan fails on both counts. Don't agree with you there bob. I think Keegan always had a very clear vision of what he wanted and to his credit he never wavered from it in that for him football had to be about entertainment. He isn't flawless by any means but he was never fuzzy on that one. Well fair point, but the entertainment at all costs is a bit of a cop-out, because no-one likes losing. When Keegan had his head in his hands when Liverpool beat us 4-3, he wasn't thinking, what an entertaining game. He was hurting. I guess you could describe the commitment to attacking football at all times, and the neglect of defence, a 'clear vision'. But there are times when the brave decision is to batten down the hatches and admit that victory is the most important. I don't know if you saw the 'Time of Our Lives' programme with Ginola, Bez and Howey, but they oozed frustration at the team's inability to finish the job. Charging forward at all times can be like a refusal to face up to the situation you're really in. You can say afterwards, 'We may have lost but we had a good go', but it's like you're denying how important winning really is to you. I've said this before, but the game that really cost us was Blackburn away, about a month before the end of the season, and it really epitomised what was lacking in Keegan's approach. If you remember, we went 1-0 up with 10 minutes to go, and all of a sudden we were back in pole position in the race with Man U. (If we'd won, we'd have gone into the final home match only needing a win to make sure of the title) What happened though was the most awesome collective nervous breakdown. We were absolutely terrible, needing a tactical decision but not getting one. We needed to defend, but we didn't have the mentality or the nous to do that. We were also too nervous to attack, and ended up conceding two soft goals. I guess that the failure to decide to defend, or to prepare any kind of defensive strategy on Keegan's part, wasn't a sign of strength. It was weakness. Or a lack of brains. was it weakness or lack of brains that lead alex ferguson to blow a real 12point lead over arsenal 2 seasons later ?

and preston play west brom at the weekend.

Something destined to happen. only if you sign pak doo ik

newcastle at 85/40 right now. should we win tomorrow and saturday and the price comes down enough, say 2.5, i may be tempted to lay us.

must've put about £50 on ?.

i wouldn't be surprised if carlisle equalised as van persie scored for arsenal.

He's a shrewd journalist in that he realises that you can win just as many readers by writing what people want to hear as you can by writing a load of controversial, complaint inspiring nonsense like the majority of journalists do. That article is just that, what a lot of people want to hear. Or what some spoilt numpties don't like to hear... The last sentence of bobyule wasn't there when I first replied. What a load of nonsense. Reducing Keegan's managerial credentials on a lack of trophies is so ignorant that you hardly can take it serious. Anyway. Football isn't about winning, it's about how you play. © Johan Cruijff I'd agree the last sentence of bobyule's post isn't right at all. Well taking a look at the records, I see that Cruyff won 24 trophies as a player, and 11 as a manager. You don't get a haul like that if winning isn't important to you. Winning shouldn't be the only thing, but it is important. Surely. There's a difference between being a good manager and being a winner. A winner has a bit of steel which takes them through the inevitably dodgy times when things aren't going well and everyone's saying how crap you are. It also helps if you have good ideas and good judgement that you feel you can rely on. That way when you're under pressure you still think clearly. For me, Keegan fails on both counts. 3 different Keegan teams with 3 different clubs trounced the opposition in the league they were in the season after he started managing them. But he only came 2nd with us & couldn't win the premiership with Man City either. What a loser. i'm not sure if at fulham and citeh he could massivly outspend the oppo. certainly wan't the case in his first few seasons here.

because we didn't have the personnel to go that way. we did when hamman and tomasson came but unfortunatly the latter had to go up front to cover the loss of shearer. where did you see tomasson playing ? Dont mean to put a spanner in the works but Jon Dahl had left the club before Diddi & Solano had joined batty was there as the anchor. did you see tomasson as playing up front (instead of asprilla or shearer) or in an authadox middle 4 ? You did say earlier our team was shapping up as "hamman, solano and speed. seemed to me the idea was of a diamond with thomasson at the head of it hamman anchoring and speed slightly left and solano slightly right" but them players were not together as one because funnily enough because you seem so eager to ram your roughshod over me you forget your memory is as s*** as mine so your getting things jumbled up. 10 f***ing YEARS AGO MAN!!!! Do we really care? As for JDT I would see him playing as he has most of his career as one of two forwards. Looking at http://www.nufc.com/html/1997-98.html no match reports & I CANT REMEMBER all the details but it looks like Tino was around playing up front & KD did sign one oc greatest ever strikers Ian Rush in the August. I think as time has went on we all think that JDT was stuck up front by himself but really he wasnt on looking back at things. shearer was injured pre season, asprilla was injured iirc in kiev. rush was brought in because we already had these two and it was understood at the time the board wanted someone cheap and available to the main two came back. the point about JDT was that i'm fairly sure he was signed to play behind a front 2 or at the head of a diamond. i'm sure he played primarily as an attacking midfielder for heerenveen.

He's a shrewd journalist in that he realises that you can win just as many readers by writing what people want to hear as you can by writing a load of controversial, complaint inspiring nonsense like the majority of journalists do. That article is just that, what a lot of people want to hear. Or what some spoilt numpties don't like to hear... The last sentence of bobyule wasn't there when I first replied. What a load of nonsense. Reducing Keegan's managerial credentials on a lack of trophies is so ignorant that you hardly can take it serious. Anyway. Football isn't about winning, it's about how you play. © Johan Cruijff I'd agree the last sentence of bobyule's post isn't right at all. Well taking a look at the records, I see that Cruyff won 24 trophies as a player, and 11 as a manager. You don't get a haul like that if winning isn't important to you. Winning shouldn't be the only thing, but it is important. Surely. There's a difference between being a good manager and being a winner. A winner has a bit of steel which takes them through the inevitably dodgy times when things aren't going well and everyone's saying how crap you are. It also helps if you have good ideas and good judgement that you feel you can rely on. That way when you're under pressure you still think clearly. For me, Keegan fails on both counts. keegan didn't win us any major trophies. however i'd rather come 2nd than mid-table, i'd rather come 2nd in the prem than win the FA cup. I know 2nd = Champions League and it brings riches, but if i was offered a cup or 2nd it would cup every single time. It has to be when we've not won a domestic cup since 55 no it doesn't have to be. it's all about prestige and getting better. poor teams have won cups,sunderland,wimbledon,portsmouth,west ham twice,southampton to mention a few in my lifetime. never in that time has a poor team won or came runners up in the league. you are saying you'd take a pot over being a better team and getting to be a better team. Our 95-96 team is probably a rare example of a team remembered for finishing 2nd in the league. Cup winners tend to go down in history. Especially at our club where it's been so long since the last bit of significant silverware. i don't care about going down in history. i want to noted by those in the know as being very good and getting better.

He's a shrewd journalist in that he realises that you can win just as many readers by writing what people want to hear as you can by writing a load of controversial, complaint inspiring nonsense like the majority of journalists do. That article is just that, what a lot of people want to hear. Or what some spoilt numpties don't like to hear... The last sentence of bobyule wasn't there when I first replied. What a load of nonsense. Reducing Keegan's managerial credentials on a lack of trophies is so ignorant that you hardly can take it serious. Anyway. Football isn't about winning, it's about how you play. © Johan Cruijff I'd agree the last sentence of bobyule's post isn't right at all. Well taking a look at the records, I see that Cruyff won 24 trophies as a player, and 11 as a manager. You don't get a haul like that if winning isn't important to you. Winning shouldn't be the only thing, but it is important. Surely. There's a difference between being a good manager and being a winner. A winner has a bit of steel which takes them through the inevitably dodgy times when things aren't going well and everyone's saying how crap you are. It also helps if you have good ideas and good judgement that you feel you can rely on. That way when you're under pressure you still think clearly. For me, Keegan fails on both counts. keegan didn't win us any major trophies. however i'd rather come 2nd than mid-table, i'd rather come 2nd in the prem than win the FA cup. I know 2nd = Champions League and it brings riches, but if i was offered a cup or 2nd it would cup every single time. It has to be when we've not won a domestic cup since 55 no it doesn't have to be. it's all about prestige and getting better. poor teams have won cups,sunderland,wimbledon,portsmouth,west ham twice,southampton to mention a few in my lifetime. never in that time has a poor team won or came runners up in the league. you are saying you'd take a pot over being a better team and getting to be a better team.

because we didn't have the personnel to go that way. we did when hamman and tomasson came but unfortunatly the latter had to go up front to cover the loss of shearer. where did you see tomasson playing ? Dont mean to put a spanner in the works but Jon Dahl had left the club before Diddi & Solano had joined batty was there as the anchor. did you see tomasson as playing up front (instead of asprilla or shearer) or in an authadox middle 4 ?

He's a shrewd journalist in that he realises that you can win just as many readers by writing what people want to hear as you can by writing a load of controversial, complaint inspiring nonsense like the majority of journalists do. That article is just that, what a lot of people want to hear. Or what some spoilt numpties don't like to hear... The last sentence of bobyule wasn't there when I first replied. What a load of nonsense. Reducing Keegan's managerial credentials on a lack of trophies is so ignorant that you hardly can take it serious. Anyway. Football isn't about winning, it's about how you play. © Johan Cruijff I'd agree the last sentence of bobyule's post isn't right at all. Well taking a look at the records, I see that Cruyff won 24 trophies as a player, and 11 as a manager. You don't get a haul like that if winning isn't important to you. Winning shouldn't be the only thing, but it is important. Surely. There's a difference between being a good manager and being a winner. A winner has a bit of steel which takes them through the inevitably dodgy times when things aren't going well and everyone's saying how crap you are. It also helps if you have good ideas and good judgement that you feel you can rely on. That way when you're under pressure you still think clearly. For me, Keegan fails on both counts. keegan didn't win us any major trophies. however i'd rather come 2nd than mid-table, i'd rather come 2nd in the prem than win the FA cup.

yes but we shouldn't be happy about it if we do it. apparently.

because we didn't have the personnel to go that way. we did when hamman and tomasson came but unfortunatly the latter had to go up front to cover the loss of shearer. where did you see tomasson playing ?

the likes of drysdale,hooper,mike jeffrey,alex mathie,giorgios georgardis(sp?).......hang on,dalglish didn't sign them. He may of just signed the lads name you cant spell though. good attempt off the top of my head though. could stick paul kitson in there aswell as peter garland. just trying to point out that every manager has bought some s***. Yours just had to be who though? Your balanced approach is on a par with Bill O'Reilly reviewing the Democratic party. I will never be convinced about that Dogleash was going to improve us. Speed was woeful on left flank, Guivarc'h could be one of the worst WC winners ever, Sandro at the back was s****. That team was going nee where quick. Was a excellent on spelling that name how so. i'm one of the few who will say that keegan was a decent tactician and a better coach than even he seemed to give himself credit for. as i pointed out i was just making out that all managers have bought some crap. dalglish had to pick up the pieces of albert being out all the time, both his main forwards out for long spells and having to make do in the transfer market. still brought in given,hamman, solano and speed. seemed to me the idea was of a diamond with thomasson at the head of it hamman anchoring and speed slightly left and solano slightly right. someone doesn't praise everything that keegan ever done means he's must be biased against......give yourself a shake man.

you have to think if sunderand got it and not newcastle that the people going would do the same as a lot of away fans do at sunderland........fly or train to newcastle,hotel in newcastle,eat and drink in newcastle,arrive sunderland as late as possible,after match leave sunderland as quick as possible, eat and drink in newcastle,hotel in newcastle,fly or train from newcastle.

the likes of drysdale,hooper,mike jeffrey,alex mathie,giorgios georgardis(sp?).......hang on,dalglish didn't sign them. He may of just signed the lads name you cant spell though. good attempt off the top of my head though. could stick paul kitson in there aswell as peter garland. just trying to point out that every manager has bought some shit.

I thought Spurs, Chelsea and WBA were safe choices, but that seems sound. Lumping on fewer events has to be the way to go for the long-term profit. it's what i done for a while and really built up my fund. then went on holiday and put on a seven-timer for the weekend which came up and it lulled me. got to be strict with myself and get beck to fewer match accumulators and plan on winning not gambling.

the likes of drysdale,hooper,mike jeffrey,alex mathie,giorgios georgardis(sp?).......hang on,dalglish didn't sign them.

Billy Bragg is a tediously boring politically correct prat who seems to be believe he has musical talent. He's got less musical talent than my farts. And my farts are musical only to me, and I accept that - he doesn't accept his musical limitations (he even kept referring to himself in a radio doc about the great Woody Guthrie FFS ! But ruining football ? Just another example why this prick's comments are moronic, and typical of the southern (and Manchester) based spite. But they're treated as interesting, and not the uneducated spiteful rants, which they are. i wonder if theres a billy bragg forum with a thread on it about gerodies posting spiteful shite on there ?

arsenal,barce,leeds @1.9 safety.

i've always quite liked their home strip.

we got relegated that'll be the shit bit skirge mentioned.

do you think if they don't there aren't others we could loan in ? As in, make a signing during a transfer window? Dunno like. well we have in the past.