madras

Kevin Keegan gave us the best team we ever had. i'm sure colin veitch would have disagreed.

Becasue I collect them Should have been quicker then. I was abroad and now you're a bloke ?

Just been directed to this. All sendings off carry an instant ban. There's a 7-day delay on bans for 5/10/15 yellows. 20/25/30 yellows in smiths case

at last a change that works to my advantage. had been planning on going to ipswich and preston and been shafted by the tele. had been backshift on the saturday of the boro game,weekend before christmas no chance of a swap or lieu day....off on the sunday though.

class day out. the previous 2 were cracking days out aswell.

harper kish s.taylor colo r taylor geremi smith barton enrique carroll lovenkrands

the league every time (also one is very possible,the other is highly unlikely)

f*** the locals shut it you. you still haven't been forgiven for leichtenstein.

yeah,like bolton are the only team to put out weakened teams in ths comp. New Arsenal tbh. and are arsenal the only other team to do it ? You're saying we're the new Man Utd? even the mackems and boro. hell man, even villa in europe.

anyone see the contradiction ?

yeah,like bolton are the only team to put out weakened teams in ths comp. New Arsenal tbh. and are arsenal the only other team to do it ?

Interesting though - WAS he ever asked why he used such a blindly dopey phrase ? I don't recall but doesn't mean he wasn't asked from time to time. Wonder if he used a "late doors" ? Maybe it was a Birbinghum phrase ? i have heard him asked about it and he gave the explaination i posted earlier. a little bit more on the phrase...http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2295032/Big-Ron-too-late-for-early-doors.html

yeah,like bolton are the only team to put out weakened teams in ths comp.

i'd rather get beat tonight and learn a lot about some of the kids (agree about not putting too many in though) than win playing a full strength team as we aren't going to win the comp.

i would definitly start barton tonight as he wouldn't be in my starting 11 for saturday and have him alongside maybe inman and behind vuckic. maybe even give him the captaincy and hope that the responsibility of guiding the youngsters wakes the fucker up.

What are you trying to say though? That we gained an advantage from changing to 4-4-2 later on instead of playing it from the start ? Anyway the result of us playing 4-5-1 for the last few games has largely been garbage, being level pegged by the side bottom of the championship purely summed that up. We did better when we went to 4-4-2 because we play better at 4-4-2. The midfielders generally do not support enough atall when there is only one upfront, simple as that. Guthrie is the only one that sometimes gets up there to. Literally everyone one of our goals this season in the league bar the west brom game has been the result of either a long ball or a cross of some kind. Every single one. So in what moronic world does it make sense to then play one lad upfront to get on the end of these against 2/3 defenders at a time. A waste is an understatement. If we're going to play like that, we may aswell do it efficiently. Couldn't agree more, it seems like those trying to defend the 4-5-1 are using the numbers as an argumrnt to hide behind. Just take the blinkers off for a moment and ask yourselves how many midfielders actually get onto the box to support the solitary striker in the 4-5-1 when we use it? It's usually reverted to a backs to the wall defensive job after the first 15 minutes in nearly every game I've seen it deployed. i don't even think the advantage came on saturday from changing the formation as much as the personnel. playing 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 the wide men will still drop to half way when defending and pick up the oppo full backs when pushing forward. and the full backs will pick up the more advanced wide midfielders/wingers. the problem as ever is with movement more than the formation as even if nolan played up front in a 4-4-2 his lack of movement hinders his being there whereas if you had a mobile and attcak mided midfield they should be looking to get up with the forwards and even (dare i say it) beyond them. as ever with nufc the problem,which has been the problem since robson left has been a lack of basic technique and movement. Probably why Robson made such a big deal about Dyer having "two engines". For all people didn't like him for various reasons his movement off the ball was exceptional. This is probably the difference between the best sides and the rest; they have players who possess mobility and intelligence, we usually have players with one attribute or the other. Noaln for example is actually quite a clever player, he's just too slow around the pitch so we end up losing control of the game due to lack of movement when we have too many players like him in the side. it's not pace alone with nolan. players can be slow but make up for it with technique or intelligence. he doesn't have either enough to make up for his lack of pace. the ability to find good space and the technique to then use it are the most important attributes for a footballer,far far too much is made of pace in the footy manager days. re dyer, i always preferred him as a wide midfielder,not hugging the line but finding gaps and exploiting that. he couldn't do the defensive work needed of a central midfielder and didn't have enough offensivly to offset it.

What are you trying to say though? That we gained an advantage from changing to 4-4-2 later on instead of playing it from the start ? Anyway the result of us playing 4-5-1 for the last few games has largely been garbage, being level pegged by the side bottom of the championship purely summed that up. We did better when we went to 4-4-2 because we play better at 4-4-2. The midfielders generally do not support enough atall when there is only one upfront, simple as that. Guthrie is the only one that sometimes gets up there to. Literally everyone one of our goals this season in the league bar the west brom game has been the result of either a long ball or a cross of some kind. Every single one. So in what moronic world does it make sense to then play one lad upfront to get on the end of these against 2/3 defenders at a time. A waste is an understatement. If we're going to play like that, we may aswell do it efficiently. Couldn't agree more, it seems like those trying to defend the 4-5-1 are using the numbers as an argumrnt to hide behind. Just take the blinkers off for a moment and ask yourselves how many midfielders actually get onto the box to support the solitary striker in the 4-5-1 when we use it? It's usually reverted to a backs to the wall defensive job after the first 15 minutes in nearly every game I've seen it deployed. i don't even think the advantage came on saturday from changing the formation as much as the personnel. playing 4-5-1 or 4-4-2 the wide men will still drop to half way when defending and pick up the oppo full backs when pushing forward. and the full backs will pick up the more advanced wide midfielders/wingers. the problem as ever is with movement more than the formation as even if nolan played up front in a 4-4-2 his lack of movement hinders his being there whereas if you had a mobile and attcak mided midfield they should be looking to get up with the forwards and even (dare i say it) beyond them. as ever with nufc the problem,which has been the problem since robson left has been a lack of basic technique and movement.

toe punt or makka punt where i come from. (hard school where i come from. goals scored by punting the ball weren't allowed as they showed a lack of skill)

You'll usually be able to tell by the wingers. If they're the likes of Messi and Henry, then it's a more offensive system IMO. Meanwhile, our first choice wingers are probably Barton and Jonas. and out of those the only one i would possibly describe as a winger is jonas. even when the others stretch play wide they are hardly playing a wingers role.

sadly for me i don't see it that way. watching the tributes to robson makes me think of the way the way football should be but isn't.

for some reason some think that if you think fred made some mistakes and was taking the club backwards means you want to have ashleys children. nce pic btw,makes we want apple pie for some reason.

aye, arsenal are the only team i've gone for in the league cup (treble with rushden at gateshead and barce at santander)

Hardly limited to football though is it ? From pub opening hours. Does it not count if it has origins somewhere else? I never heard anyone say "early doors" except in a football context. I've never heard this phrase before Atkinson over-used it either. and i'm sure when atkinson was asked about it he claimed it came from his local cinemas opening times when he was a kid.

i had them aswell

With the sort of business acumen you only get from billionaires? From £70m when he took over to £100m or 110m (reports vary) debt to Ashley plus up to £40m overdraft. We don't know how much of the overdraft is currently used up, but if you consider that the overdraft should be at it's maximum prior to the money coming in at the start of a new season from STs, TV, new shirt revenue, etc and you compare like for like (ie end of June accounts where the £70m comes from) I'd be very surprised if the overdraft wasn't £30m+ at the end of June 09 = £130/140m = ~2*£70m Not all of it, but certainly a significant amount, and certainly a lot more than the advertising revenue about which Des said this: Ad revenue up front - crazy. Season ticket revenue up front - "sorting out" the finances. Yes they are being silly aren't they. you are saying wew didn't have an overdraft under the previous regime ? i also wonder if the purchases we made ie barton,smith etc were paid up front and what effect that would have on the accounts as opposed to staggering the payments ? tickets money up front....at present i'm paying now for next years ticket (i think). i don't know anyone that took up the offer of paying the lt up front. then again i get my match tickets for it. more than i got with my bond of a few years back. who is saying where we are now is solely down to the previous regime ?