madras

i personally think it was the right thing to do. the press would have a field day regardless. if he's away from the club he;s away from the players which can only be a good thing.

the timing of the suspension was shearers fault ? i've seen mourinho say his player deserved to be sent off before. Yeh, i dont think he should of been 'publically' suspended, make him train with the reserves, hell you can effectively suspend him without suspending him - is it that difficult to get around without dragging the clubs name through the mud? The clubs facing its biggest run up to the end of season in about 20 years, psychologically speaking is it healthy to have the public mutterings about the situation whiilst you are trying to concentrate on some of the biggest games of your life? In my mind no. Ive seen Wenger say he saw something which was his players fault, not really the point i was making, Im very confident Mourihno would of said no such thing had he been in the Semi of the CL or the penultimate game to a titel challenign season....its all about context of incident. In my mind Shearer went about it the wrong way. And it shows a degree of naivety and poor decision makingm he didnt look at the big picture. if i was a newcastle player i'd have wanted barton training with anyone other then the first team. it would be interesting to knoew if anyone of the playing staff , after the liverpool game, had the bottle to tell barton to f*** off. if bartons had been a one off incident he may have got shearers backing but for f***s sake how many times is that now he;s dropped us in the s***. he is indefensible, it's pointless trying. sooner he's gone the better. Again, you have me wrong, im not defending Barton, im using how he dealt with Barton and its context to exlain my reservations about him as a manager, i see similarities to Souness' way of handling things and Keanes as well... and what i'm saying is that if shearer hadn't of done what he done he'd have lost all repect from fans,players and football community a like. he is indefensible and i'd think anyone in the game including ferguson et al would defend him after going so far so many times.

So you reckon Alex Ferguson and Brian Clough would have turned a blind eye to a player calling them a prick and s**** manager do you? Nope, but they wouldnt of handled it how Shearer did. they'd never have had barton on the books in the first place and if they had he wouldn't have been there long.

FFS what role had Barton got left to play at the club last season after the sending off - cheer leader? lucky mascot? He had succeeded in embarassing the club in the eyes of the whole world (again), letting down yet another manager who gave him a chance, letting down his team mates (again) and do you know what his team mates think of him anyway? word habibbeye btw. Im obviously not putting my point across well enough, this isnt about Barton this is about how he handled the Barton situation, just sets off alrms bells in my mind... it's that barton has reached the point where he is indefensible. if it was the firast or second time he may have got some backing.

Cacapa on 45k I rest my case. barton on the payroll.

the timing of the suspension was shearers fault ? i've seen mourinho say his player deserved to be sent off before. Yeh, i dont think he should of been 'publically' suspended, make him train with the reserves, hell you can effectively suspend him without suspending him - is it that difficult to get around without dragging the clubs name through the mud? The clubs facing its biggest run up to the end of season in about 20 years, psychologically speaking is it healthy to have the public mutterings about the situation whiilst you are trying to concentrate on some of the biggest games of your life? In my mind no. Ive seen Wenger say he saw something which was his players fault, not really the point i was making, Im very confident Mourihno would of said no such thing had he been in the Semi of the CL or the penultimate game to a titel challenign season....its all about context of incident. In my mind Shearer went about it the wrong way. And it shows a degree of naivety and poor decision makingm he didnt look at the big picture. if i was a newcastle player i'd have wanted barton training with anyone other then the first team. it would be interesting to knoew if anyone of the playing staff , after the liverpool game, had the bottle to tell barton to fuck off. if bartons had been a one off incident he may have got shearers backing but for fucks sake how many times is that now he;s dropped us in the shit. he is indefensible, it's pointless trying. sooner he's gone the better.

purely my opinion but the banks may have lent us enough to make up the shortfall (more debt to finance) they certain;y wouldn't have lent us any to invest the consortium...hey mr getty might have ran into some geordies at the ballet and enjoyed the banter so much he'd have bankrolled the club. if anyone had kept fat sam in my opinion we;d have been relegated a season earlier. none of it excuses the management of the club by both parties over the past 5 or 6 years.

how are they one of the richest clubs around just because their owners are some of the richest people around ? it means nowt if they aren't going to commit it to the club and so far they've bought the place and are making them live largely within their means.

the timing of the suspension was shearers fault ? i've seen mourinho say his player deserved to be sent off before.

thats half the point.....where was the funding going to come from 2 years ago when everything was hocked, we were paying out a lot more than we were taking in. what bank would loan to a company in that position ? financially this is the way we were headed if we didn't get champs league football. at the time we were saying everton and spurs couldn't compete with wages for the likes of duff,parker and emre....we couldn't afford it either.

improve ?

No one is saying that. He never said 'probably' at all his exact words were "It WAS a stupid tackle AND he deserved to be sent off. From the moment he uttered those words there was no chance of getting this decision appealed, none whatsoever. That's what you aren't getting. The rest of your posts discusses events after this interview so its pointless addressing them. So your issue is that basically you didn't think it was a red card? Well I did. Even if the decision was debatable there was no chance on earth of it being rescinded. Absolutely no chance whatsoever, and it's clear that Shearer knew this. What about the argument they had in front of the rest of the players? Is it pointless addressing that? The argument they had in front of the players AFTER that interview Dave? When Shearer remembered he wasn't still a pundit on MOTD? TBH I wouldn't like to comment on it but Shearer is obviously unhappy with Barton in the post match interview and I don't know if Barton saw him give his comments live on TV. Everything else would be speculation but to be publicly condemned and hung out to dry by your own manager would not have helped the situation. To repeat Fredbobs comments - when does Fergie ever act like this? As for the decision I see its now 'absolutely no chance whatsoever' of it being rescinded whereas before shearer said it was 'probably' deserved. Hmmmmmmmmmm All I'll say is if we bothered to appeal Bassong's red we really should have had the chance to appeal Barton's. Only there was no chance of that after that interview was there? perhaps shearer was just irate that barton has not only undergerformed in his time here but has behaved on the pitch like a complete t*** too many times ? Perhaps an irate manager was not what we needed. fairly sure i've even heard wenger and mourinho be honest on a couple with some sendings off. if we had a manager like ferguson who lied through his teeth all the time (as opposed to wengeres most the time) i'd have little respect for him. i really don't think man utd would be anyworse a team if ferguson was honest if one of his players got sent off.....do you ? i remember robson being honest on this sort of thing...who do you respect more as a man...robson or ferguson ?

No one is saying that. He never said 'probably' at all his exact words were "It WAS a stupid tackle AND he deserved to be sent off. From the moment he uttered those words there was no chance of getting this decision appealed, none whatsoever. That's what you aren't getting. The rest of your posts discusses events after this interview so its pointless addressing them. So your issue is that basically you didn't think it was a red card? Well I did. Even if the decision was debatable there was no chance on earth of it being rescinded. Absolutely no chance whatsoever, and it's clear that Shearer knew this. What about the argument they had in front of the rest of the players? Is it pointless addressing that? The argument they had in front of the players AFTER that interview Dave? When Shearer remembered he wasn't still a pundit on MOTD? TBH I wouldn't like to comment on it but Shearer is obviously unhappy with Barton in the post match interview and I don't know if Barton saw him give his comments live on TV. Everything else would be speculation but to be publicly condemned and hung out to dry by your own manager would not have helped the situation. To repeat Fredbobs comments - when does Fergie ever act like this? As for the decision I see its now 'absolutely no chance whatsoever' of it being rescinded whereas before shearer said it was 'probably' deserved. Hmmmmmmmmmm All I'll say is if we bothered to appeal Bassong's red we really should have had the chance to appeal Barton's. Only there was no chance of that after that interview was there? perhaps shearer was just irate that barton has not only undergerformed in his time here but has behaved on the pitch like a complete twat too many times ?

From that story and from the statistical likelihood of getting 8 consecutive away games on Boxing Day I'd hazard a guess that it's down to a request by the club or police, probably the club trying to be cheap and not wanting to pay anything extra to staff for having to open on a bank holiday. would be easy to build it into their contracts of employment, plenty of firms do.

i've read the OP a couple of times and i can't see any sort of reason why we should have 8 successive seasons of boxing day (probably the worst day in the footballing calander for travel) away fixtures.

Aye, a badge with the word mug written on it. if it wasn't for those mugs at various times in the history of nufc...you wouldn't have an nufc to support.

I don't rate him on a Premier League level but for the CCC, we could probably do worse. We <i>will</i>. It does seem as though proclamations of "it can't get any worse" are seen as a dare by the powers that be. hang on nah you were right ;D

must want a cameo in your film

once again " its the hope we can't stand"

fyp

press conference tomorrow 2pm. who'd a thought they's take the step down. t'is nufc after all/

In which case it's probably Ronald McDonald. In the hollywood version it'll be a heartwarming tale of four successful ex-frat boys out to save the club that shares the name of the brown ale they pounded down nightly while in college. Along the way they learn a little bit about football, and a lot about life. that is actually brilliant. i hope i'll dream that through later

i'd give fred a head start........shut my eyes and count to 20 stylee.

and erm.....maybe someone else

shay, you are quite probably the best goalkeeper i have seen at nufc but fuck you and fuck right off. the way you went about getting your move was dispicable and highlighted everything that is wrong about football today. have a nice day mind.(hope it fucking rains on you though)