madras

I hope you're right. It'll take a long time before it gets to that stage though IMO. the press will help. with nothing to print they keep on making up stuff or making mountains out of nowt and each day turn more people against them. it has already started happening this summer.

point 1) after a while the fans will get used to it point 2) in these days of media training do you think you really find much out or are trerated to a spin show (think allardyce and souness interviews) point 3) won't happen so use what you see on the pitch as your guide.

yes it's possible and yes it's wise. after a while the fans will get used to the idea thast the press have no idea what is happening (it's already started) then the press will face the ridicule,print objectivly or print nowt.

subtext.....................keegan has got into the groove of not telling the press anything. GOOD!

Yeah that's one of the things i really liked about him. If we were going to go into the season with 4-4-2 as the formation (assuming we get a better CM, otherwise the system will just blow hot and cold for all and eternity)... then having wingers that can mix and match and alternate throughout the game could be very, very helpful for us. Allardyce tried it once or twice, but he was doing stuff like sticking Zoggy on the right and Milner on the left and it was just ineffectual, for obvious reasons. Jonas and Duff swapping and changing however (notice how i've pitifully jumped on the 'Duff has improved' brigade, for now... ) could work a hell of a lot better. Like i, and others, have said though - we need a very good CM if we're gonna make 4-4-2 work this season. you alo have to remember we have yet to play a friendly with 2 of our recognised forward playing and the movemnet/options they give to the midfield. we've played not even 2 full games with martins..no owen or viduka. the midfield will look better for having more options,the options that have been lacking so far.

Using your way of thinking we just need to boo like hell and the league is ours. I don't think I said that all, as your old enough to know booing our managers,singing sack the board while booing the likes of Stimo, Whitehurst, Rob McDonald didnt has won us f*** & in fact it didnt even get us promotionhas won us f***, made the players f*** off sharpish though. My main point is it seems okay to boo or sing songs against Newcastle managers or slam a chairman/board but boo a player & it is not okay for some reason. wasn't the point about booing a player as he is coming on ? does it help ? not in my opinion. Anything that can be classed as negative does not help in the short term esp to the mentally weak. But I think it made a player like Nicky Butt want to show people they were wrong which he did as he went from being booed pre-season to many peoples player of the year. Lets hope Alan comes pounding back & scores his first goal next week against the Mancs. strange considering the boos and cat calls butt received for weeks before his loan move to brum only seemed to make him worse. The weeks before? We loaned him out 03/08/2005 so which games did he get the cat calls & booed at? Also which games did it effect his performances. He got stick after the Man Utd semi the previous season but he hardly played after that. he got booed v villareal when coming on and scored 2 awesome headers, thats the way to hit back at fan's showing your ability After his loan he was getting cat called and jeered after about two months (the bramble treatment)

i like shearers cos it was just natural,didn't seem planned or as if he thought "have to do 'the' celebration now"

I'll bet you every penny you own it was Bolton. The 1-0? Where he kicks the hoardings to s***? If so, then yes I will bet you every penny. nar. 2-1. IIRC Shearer made his comeback from injury in the same game. came on as sub as my horrendously sad memory reminds me. yup. Really pushing the boat out now. But it was for Barnes I think. Yup sounds about right. and pistone tries his best to restrain him.........heneage gob runneth away with him.

Gutierrez and Shola sharing the same number according to that. Wouldn't pay too much attention to it at the moment. Jonas was in 18 yesterday. definitly one for the future then

Using your way of thinking we just need to boo like hell and the league is ours. I don't think I said that all, as your old enough to know booing our managers,singing sack the board while booing the likes of Stimo, Whitehurst, Rob McDonald didnt has won us f*** & in fact it didnt even get us promotionhas won us f***, made the players f*** off sharpish though. My main point is it seems okay to boo or sing songs against Newcastle managers or slam a chairman/board but boo a player & it is not okay for some reason. wasn't the point about booing a player as he is coming on ? does it help ? not in my opinion. Anything that can be classed as negative does not help in the short term esp to the mentally weak. But I think it made a player like Nicky Butt want to show people they were wrong which he did as he went from being booed pre-season to many peoples player of the year. Lets hope Alan comes pounding back & scores his first goal next week against the Mancs. strange considering the boos and cat calls butt received for weeks before his loan move to brum only seemed to make him worse.

Using your way of thinking we just need to boo like hell and the league is ours. I don't think I said that all, as your old enough to know booing our managers,singing sack the board while booing the likes of Stimo, Whitehurst, Rob McDonald didnt has won us f*** & in fact it didnt even get us promotionhas won us f***, made the players f*** off sharpish though. My main point is it seems okay to boo or sing songs against Newcastle managers or slam a chairman/board but boo a player & it is not okay for some reason. wasn't the point about booing a player as he is coming on ? does it help ? not in my opinion.

Hahahaha that is very interesting. To be honest, I am not that old and could be about the same age as the majority of the members here. However, my area of studies and occassional attachments opened my eyes to the harsher realities of the world. Henceforth, for my often pragmatic (blunt/harsh) perspectives. In any case, there would be no value added if I were to approve to all the moral-based, sympathy-based arguments etc that is on here. ... as supporters by definition we have a common goal of Newcastle United Football Club performing well. If our manager deems it fitting to put said Alan on the pitch, then Newcastle United Football Club will not perform better by booing. Indeed, by definition, we do have a common goal of Newcastle United Football Club performing well. But who is to say that Newcastle United Football Club will fare worse from the booing? And who is to say that fans have no rights to booing? Even when we read the news, occasionally, managers have spoken out that fans is correct to feel disappointed and correct in booing. Additionally, there is no explicit law or directions from the world governing body or the various managements stating that booing is not allowed. Love it or hate it, booing has been a growing trend for the decade and is part of the modern game. Big successful clubs have it too (Real Madrid, Barcelona etc) but they do eventually reward their supporters with success. Is that not a very good precedent? is that the biggest heap of shit sentence masquerading as an argument ever posted on here ?

thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter for low mentality people... that which come up in their head... for sure good grief does supporting the team have any effect on the players ? fans does support the team... they came up to stadium to watch them right? it already supporting... but if the player keep playing s**** week in and week out... does he not feel he is letting down the fans who come to support him at first place. on smith case he isn't help himself already by permanently poor playing over and over again. he doesn't look improve either from what he is.. no one denies that but is booing him onto the pitch going to aid him or his teammates ?

thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter Well, if you read my posts, I've reiterate many times... Smith doesn't get boo based on one mere performance alone. He gets booed because of a series of performance he has put in. Based on your line of thought, we should try and support our own team even though they are severely under-performing (i.e. getting relegated to Division 2 after 3 seasons) and yet they are still being paid hideous amount of renumeration, at the same time, not delivering the appropriate but causes the team to repeatably lose? Is that what you really mean? Of course, initially, we should give him encouragement (I believe we did) but after some time, if the encouragement does not work, why not try the stick method? If it still doesn't, is he worth keeping still since he has outlived or has never serve his intended purpose? By the way, respect is earned. In fact, I think Smith is the only one in this unique situation at the moment. He is terrible to watch and has done to prove us likewise. last season we had a run of terrible performances from the entire team...should we have booed them on to the pitch ? would this have had a beneficial effect ? for smith for the last season think duff for the season before. it's a team game and you are a fool if you think the other players don't give a toss when a team mate gets that sort of stick.

yes it can if you have the sense to ask. if i boo him will it have a........ a) positive effect on my team or b) a negative effect on my team

what are things comig to when we need a specific thread to hate manure

thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter for low mentality people... that which come up in their head... for sure good grief does supporting the team have any effect on the players ?

at some point you would boo the entire team then when they take to the pitch. I have stated it before and I would like to reiterate my point: To be fair, people booed Smith not based on one mere performance alone. It is over a series of matches and let us not forget that he is the chief culprit which led to many losses for us... Also, is it a coincidence that when he is not playing, we happen to be able to score and win the match? In any case, most of us will rather err on the side of caution and say yes, Smith is the weakest link. Booing the entire team... why not if they severely falls behind reasonable expectation? i.e. Would you not booed at them if Newcastle United gets relegated to Division 2 in 3 seasons? For the hideous amount of salary they get, they should be entirely prepared to endure all that and take it in the proper stride. Besides, I have said it again and again... it's a harsh world out there... Footballers are not stupid people... Are they willing to accept lower renumeration in return for not getting booed? The answer is no. At the end of the day, pragmatic approach deserves pragmatic approach in return. They are paid high renumeration (from whose money?), so they just got to live with it and move on. no-one denies he's been shite but is booing him onto the pitch going to make him play better or aid his teammates ? and no i would not boo my team onto the pitch as it would be self defeating.

at some point you would boo the entire team then when they take to the pitch. no, not the entire team.. just the strikers that get paid millions and struggle to make a successful pass all game, god forbid have an attempt off target.. under allardyce they did that regular enough...did you boo them onto the pitch ?

players can score even while playing shit did you know ? do you think it affects the rest of the team when one of their teammates gets booed coming on to the pitch ?

Thank god you're in the minority. well i am with junkhead this time... he does still get paid for being s****... he doesn't have improvement either from last season? did he really tried 100% in training? fans do have right to boo... it's like your boss telling how bad is your work is... but doing anything more than boo is over-reacting i can understand booing at the end but booing a sub when he comes on is going to benefit who ? well if booed at the end it mean booing the team play isn't it? yes and they'll hold their hands up and admit they played poorly. i'll ask again who benefits when you boo your own playing when he comes on ? it would benefit the team, if Smith accepts that he isn't worth even half the money Everton offered him and fucks off or he does what others have done in the past and thought "f*** them, i'll hang about for my cash" either way it doesn't benefit his teammates or NUFC. all it does is allows mongs to vent off.

at some point you would boo the entire team then when they take to the pitch.

thats a bit like saying don't try and put the opposition off or support your own team as they are grown ups and it won't matter

Thank god you're in the minority. well i am with junkhead this time... he does still get paid for being s****... he doesn't have improvement either from last season? did he really tried 100% in training? fans do have right to boo... it's like your boss telling how bad is your work is... but doing anything more than boo is over-reacting i can understand booing at the end but booing a sub when he comes on is going to benefit who ? well if booed at the end it mean booing the team play isn't it? yes and they'll hold their hands up and admit they played poorly. i'll ask again who benefits when you boo your own playing when he comes on ?

Thank god you're in the minority. well i am with junkhead this time... he does still get paid for being s****... he doesn't have improvement either from last season? did he really tried 100% in training? fans do have right to boo... it's like your boss telling how bad is your work is... but doing anything more than boo is over-reacting i can understand booing at the end but booing a sub when he comes on is going to benefit who ?