madras

yeah france were fantastic at that time...didn't he take over after they had failed to qualify for the euro championships afetr only 1 of their qualifying games...aye world class

Look at Man City though. 7, 8 new players and they're unbeaten at home and yet haven't won in 8 away (until next week obviously). Course, all of those are clearly factors but I think it's one of life's great mysteries. there has been a study done on it. don't know if it's online or even where to satrt looking.

the fans at all those clubs (with the exception of man utd maybe) will tell you there clubs improved in the first 6 months. being patient pays off...should we have given souness,roeder,bill mcgarry longer ? Exactly all those clubs could see improvement, so far we have been terrible with no sign of improvement. FFS our fans aint moaning for the sake of it or because their standards are sky high its because the football has been dog s*** and tbh our league standing doesnt reflect how bad we have played, we have had a bit of luck I think its fair to say we've seen slight improvement in the least, i believe that we had our best start in the PL ever this year? and this is a sign of no improvement at all? We do have better players and a better squad, we've got more away points this season so far than last season. We're not in a total injury crisis like last year and we are comfortably away from the relegation zone and pretty damn close to Europe still. Aye we're f***** aren't we, i'd hate to be a fan of any of the teams below us. we had a dream start in terms of "look at that opening group of games" have you seen our remaning away fixtures? Bullshit, i bet we wouldn't have won as many under Roeder and tbh we've had easier starts to the league than this one. Yes its going to be a difficult second half to the season, but i'm convinced we will finish top half, which i'd be happy with. i don't think we'll finish top half,infact 45 points is looking a long way off

and wales ?...holland at the time,even france at the time. do stop it with the ...it has all the fakeness of NE5's mackems.gif

it could well have a lot to do with confidence,comfort and familiarity of surroundings

true,however they can go backwards over 6 months Would you be willing to categorically state that our team has been only sliding backwards since june? no not at all....can you categorically say there has been any improvement in 6 months ?

Commanding respect and pulling as one will be as nothing when he starts losing a few games and has no experience to fall back on. A few years ago this former respected player lark had some mileage, even 3/4 years ago it was just about do-able. Now the PL is like a shark tank with half a dozen world class managers and another half a dozen tough cookies following up. In short we should actually try the novel approach now we have some fianancial stability of getting the absolute best manager for the job ie not Shearer. he has experience as a player and how his managers coped,look at all those who have went straight in. do we have the finacial clout...ie is ashley gonna let loose ? you seem set that he is as we've discussed it before. Who went straight in? I hope you're not going to mention Rijkaard.. beckenbauer,mark hughes,keegan,platini,capello,roberto mancini,marco van basten,dalglish ...you forgot to mention the clubs...I know why. beckenbauer,van basten,hughes and platini were international managers(supposedly even tougher). i kept it even as i had earlier mentioned "top flight (even international)..4 international 4 top flight (3 really...can you spot which?)

the fans at all those clubs (with the exception of man utd maybe) will tell you there clubs improved in the first 6 months. being patient pays off...should we have given souness,roeder,bill mcgarry longer ? Exactly all those clubs could see improvement, so far we have been terrible with no sign of improvement. FFS our fans aint moaning for the sake of it or because their standards are sky high its because the football has been dog s*** and tbh our league standing doesnt reflect how bad we have played, we have had a bit of luck I think its fair to say we've seen slight improvement in the least, i believe that we had our best start in the PL ever this year? and this is a sign of no improvement at all? We do have better players and a better squad, we've got more away points this season so far than last season. We're not in a total injury crisis like last year and we are comfortably away from the relegation zone and pretty damn close to Europe still. Aye we're f***** aren't we, i'd hate to be a fan of any of the teams below us. we had a dream start in terms of "look at that opening group of games" have you seen our remaning away fixtures?

true,however they can go backwards over 6 months

Commanding respect and pulling as one will be as nothing when he starts losing a few games and has no experience to fall back on. A few years ago this former respected player lark had some mileage, even 3/4 years ago it was just about do-able. Now the PL is like a shark tank with half a dozen world class managers and another half a dozen tough cookies following up. In short we should actually try the novel approach now we have some fianancial stability of getting the absolute best manager for the job ie not Shearer. he has experience as a player and how his managers coped,look at all those who have went straight in. do we have the finacial clout...ie is ashley gonna let loose ? you seem set that he is as we've discussed it before. Who went straight in? I hope you're not going to mention Rijkaard.. beckenbauer,mark hughes,keegan,platini,capello,roberto mancini,marco van basten,dalglish

the fans at all those clubs (with the exception of man utd maybe) will tell you there clubs improved in the first 6 months. being patient pays off...should we have given souness,roeder,bill mcgarry longer ?

Commanding respect and pulling as one will be as nothing when he starts losing a few games and has no experience to fall back on. A few years ago this former respected player lark had some mileage, even 3/4 years ago it was just about do-able. Now the PL is like a shark tank with half a dozen world class managers and another half a dozen tough cookies following up. In short we should actually try the novel approach now we have some fianancial stability of getting the absolute best manager for the job ie not Shearer. he has experience as a player and how his managers coped,look at all those who have went straight in. do we have the finacial clout...ie is ashley gonna let loose ? you seem set that he is as we've discussed it before.

it all kicked off in a mcdonalds allardyce will be fucking annoyed about that,we specifically spend time monitoring fitness,blood levels etc and bartas goes to a mcydees. fined for dribbling in training,maybe 3 years for assault and affray, 4years for breaking sams fscientific fitness plan.

i wouldn't be worried about shearer as manager,sure,i'd rather a hitzfeld or hiddinck but these seem ulikely. the idea that he should prove himself at a lower level now seems archaic as the qualities needed are totally different,tactically and man mangement wise. there are plenty of quality players throughout europe who went straight in to top tier (even international) management and made good jobs out of it as they learnt from their experiences and from their managers and coaches. he would command respect and get the club pulling as one. in summary not my top choice but not as bad as some are making out.

only if it's the next 4 league games

i woudn't have been too concerned at 26points so far if i could see something to make me think there is improvement

win me over, easy. do something,doesn't have to be 4-4-2 or playing 11 players in their proper positions,not even results as results will come with performances but do anything to make me think he can improve the football club.

He may be innocent but the fact that he's been kept in tends to suggest they have a good case against him, innocent or guilty he's a prick for even being out at that time in a City centre, he's got s*** for brains. read that again..."he may be innocent but" if he's innocent he's innocent if he's not....obviously he's not

if true....only condemn after proof

why ? i had christmas day and boxing day off,back to work today. give me £1000p/w and i'll do that every year

I'll eagerly await the "big four" apart from Chelsea and most of the rest of the teams in the league going into administration then. Strange how all these people who are slating having ambiton are unable to see this is how the top 4 became the top 4, and our relative success in our recent past has also came as a result of the same thing. Do they really think you can be successful unless you try to compete at the top levels ? Quite amazing. Do you not think that it acould also be due to the fact they made astute appointments and didnt sack them as regularly as they changed their pants.? Well, are you saying we should have stuck with Dalglish ? Or Gullit, and not therefore appointed Bobby Robson when we did ? Been here before mate, the appointments arent what im scrutinizing, the 2 major responsiblities of the board are the appointment of the right manager adn the backing of the manager, for years, like the top 4 we have backied the manager, but when it comes to appointing and sticking by the right manager, we've failed miserably, and it kinda shows in the urrent gulf of class between us and the top 4. Im saying that the rotation of managers is the reason why we're behind the top4. Are you now ? The top 4 have kept the manager because they were in the top 4 wouldn't you say ....... Why is the 5th most qualified club for europe over a decade = s**** managers all the time ? Are Everton behind the top 4 because they have rotated their managers ? Moyes has been there longer than Chelsea and Liverpools current managers ....... And, do you therefore think we should have kept Dalglish and Gullit ? I tell you something, which is categoricaly correct. We can keep any manager you care to name at this club for 20 years if you like, but if the board don't match the ambition of the boards at the top 4 clubs, we will never join them. (your first point)Ok, but we were in the top 5 the last time we changed our manager. (your second point) 5th most qualified club in over a decade is such a misleading stat, stop using it. I've already said why its a misleading stat and cant be bothered to explain it all again. Nothing seems to go in with you. And they say ignorance is bliss... (your third point) No, Everton arent behind jut becasue they rotated there managers, they are behind because they dont have the same financial resources as we do. However its interesting you brought Everton up because they are the only team to break the top 4 since the top 4 became so dominant. All with a steady manager. So that kinda goes to prove my point. That despite having limited resources with a consistent manger they were able to break the top 4. Again to reiterate my point - i believe that an astute appointment needs to be stuck by, not sacked when the "cracks" seem to be appearing. Where do you think everton would be today if they sacked Moyes when he finished 11th having finished 4th the previous season? Why was SBR sacked after finishing 5th? Did they make an astute apointment to justify the decision? (your 4th point) Something of a moot point. As i believed at the time that Dalglish was a good appointment, but who is to saythat he wouldnt of been a success. The fact that he destryoed a title challengin squad was too much, so i'd agree with the sacking. It was justifiable. (your final point) I tell you something, which is categoricaly correct. We can keep changing managers for the next 20 years if you like, and if the board match the financial ambitions the top 4 clubs, we still wont join them. We've tried the "back as many managers as possible" routine, now i suggest we start backing the right man for the job and not sack him after the first apparent "decline" under his leadership. a la SBR. how is the FACT that we have qualified for europe more than any team bar 4, and have the 5th highest average league position, and have finished in the top 5 for 3 consecutive seasons for the first time in 50 years, misleading ? Really, if you want to continue your agenda, you are going to have to do better than this [although you won't change my mind unless you can change history] I see your point with the "back the managers" approach, but unfortunately, you are obviously not looking at the top teams and recognising this is how they do it themselves. Dalglish inherited a great team at Liverpool, and improved them. Who is to say that he wouldn't have done the same at Newcastle, unless - like yourself - you use hindsight. If I could use hindsight, I would have won the lottery last Saturday. I agree that we need to keep our manager if we want to build a real dynasty of a football club. However, if someone is the wrong guy, you have to make a change. You appear to be unable to see the fact that football demands a totally different sort of approach to normal business. I will refer you to my previous points, do you think we should have continued backing Dalglish and Gullitt when the confidence in them had gone ? NE5 has a point here re dalglish....brought in given,hamman,thomasson,solano. if it werent for the injuries to shearer and asprilla he'd have had a very good nucleus to build on.

is "a pack" the correct term for a group of hookers ? i belive the correct term for the particular collective noun ia a "suffolk cemetary of cheap hookers"

I'm no fan of London but when it's got up to 30,000 pissed Geordies swelling the numbers then it becomes a different place. i never really enjoy games in london that much i dislike the place that much. gloucester before cardiff was something else.

I fear we will never know. 96 was the best chance i can see us ever having in my lifetime (I am 36) We've had chances, and we'll have more. One day, we'll do it. Think how close we've come to the FA Cup or even the UEFA Cup. We'll get one of those bastards one of these days. Humiliated? Aye...Very close mate. Well, making it to the final is as close as you can get to winning without actually, well, winning. I'd rather go out in the 3rd round than see what i saw in both our recent FA cup finals. i wouldn't..the semi win V spurs was a cracking day out. The two finals were both cracking days out, as were the two semi finals we lost. On all 4 occasions the only thing that put a downer on the day was the 2 and a bit hours in the stadium didn't really enjoy the days out that much. london is horrid and wembley was an ugly old tart. the weekend for the semi debacle V manure was a weekend that will live long in my memory. (sometimes it's not just about the game)

1 team is going to win the league....do you want mid table (hopefully) mediocrity playing the present hoof and percentage stuff or playing pass and go ?