madras

True, expecting a winger to cross a ball accurately is clearly being too picky. With the standard around ATM you'll be hard pressed to find many wingers that can cross accurately on a regular basis outside of the Ronaldos of this world. I don't know whether it's a dying art but there's certainly a dearth of quality wingers in the league. a dearth of quality forwards to read where an instinctive cross is going......even beckahm and giggs at their peaks often just put the ball in the right areas and two instinctive well drilled forwards done the rest

if you play well constantly but lose you think it will turn for you...if you pick up points while playing consistently poor you think you will eventually get caught.

i've seen little to suggest that n'zogbia will be much of an improvement on milner. we'd be going back to 2005/6 to see any form in that position. compare that with what brummie would say about milner's time at villa ? Madras, Sorry mate but I frankly don't give a damn what some brummie person would say about Milner playing for a different club. Zog is a much better player than Milner right now and also has the potential to improve to a greater level than Milner will ever reach. Imo. i'm very open minded on it. yes n'zogbia has bags of potential but his form over the past 18months has him well and truly in the over-rated camp especially by many on here. re-his crossing as mentioned by some isn't as bad as made out by some and some of the time the forwards don't help (unfortunatly it is only the forwards as for 2 or 3 years we haven't had any midfielders getting beyond into threatening positions)....sometimes the best the winger can do is put the ball in a threatening place and hope the forwards read it. only owen going near post does it for us.

i've seen little to suggest that n'zogbia will be much of an improvement on milner. we'd be going back to 2005/6 to see any form in that position. compare that with what brummie would say about milner's time at villa ?

it was on the other night. it likes my mate rob....interesting ideas but pointless really

keeper karelse and where is luque ?

Yes, Geremi has been poor lately, but to say "get rid of him" is just stupid. He clearly can play well as he has shown in pre-season and we're going to have to be patient with him. If he doesn't find his form eventually then he'll have to be more of a bit-part player and someone else will have to be captain. He's also decent at right back if Beye is ever injured or moves to the centre. im entitled to my own opinion never mind your entitled to your own opinion its twenty past eleven at night now get to bed me lad Your IP matches, so even pretending for a minute you aren't just Kev, why don't you just say it to him in person? who's ip matches who's ?

Hippocrates was a doctor, not a philosopher. both...could say he was the founder of the philosophy of medicine and certainly had an effect on medical ethics

Really? I may be wrong but I always thought that the chairman ran the club and made the decisions and the major shareholder/owner stayed in the background and let the chairman do the job he was employed to do which takes us back to the original post where the current chairman was saying just that. you mean like "backing his manager" ? Is this what a good board does, or do you prefer "not backing his manager". As Mort appears to indicate his decision ie his comment that "he" will spend money. How does that grab you ? I asked you earlier, what would you say if we lost players such as David Bently and Dean Ashton to someone like Everton or Man City on financial grounds, and you didn't really reply ? Are you happy that he seems to be happy with mid table mediocrity this season, or are you rather stupidly going to support that stupid comment earlier that it is me who wants them to fail when its me who is kicking up a fuss about them being happy with mid table mediocrity ? We won't mention your favourite board ie McKeags, Seymours, etc considering this to be success. Maybe this is territory you prefer yourself ? [so long as he doesn't call you nasty names and embarrass you, thats alright ] ashley has backed someone elses appointment to the tune of £10mill net

to be fair that should be directed at the core of posters aswell (of which i have been known to drift in and out)

if he wiped out the clubs debt,out of his own pocket how would that lie with you ? It's a shame how some things just get overlooked.... i posed it as a rhetorical question

if so does that also mean that shepherd didn't actually back anyone as he wasn't using his own money but building up corporate debt while taking a healthy wedge out ? what are you on about. All the managers bought plenty of players, and we qualified for the CL and europe regularly because of it ? We;ve had this dividend bit before with macbeth. Shareholders take dividends. Ashley is making the club a financially strong football club but is he prepared to chase success on the pitch and take risks and show ambition. We will never match the top teams until we have players that they want. This is so basic and correct, it is staggering people can't see it. all the managers bought and sold plenty of players. the net spend isn't as high as you'd think.i wonder what the net spend of ashleys first transfer window was compared to those of the previous.

if so does that also mean that shepherd didn't actually back anyone as he wasn't using his own money but building up corporate debt while taking a healthy wedge out ?

in fact you could say he has put in even more than his predecessor took out.

Ashley isn't the bestest chairman in the whole world, he isn't even chairman. You're desperate to see us fail. I don't think so somehow. I suppose you were desperate to see Shepherd fail just because he called you nasty names ? You certainly appear to think he's been replaced by someone else who think is better on account of buying people a pint and wearing his shirt at games - both actions nothing other than a PR gimmick. We will wait until Ashley hopefully at least equals those Champions League finishes before saying he's even "as good". Well, the sensible people around will anyway. if he wiped out the clubs debt,out of his own pocket how would that lie with you ?

bit like the first time i went to a newcastle match and supported a player younger than myself. (paul ferris)

So it could be better rather than worse for them not much has actually changed as egg head only had 5% and the fella buying them was the vast majority share holder already

as good a manager as england could get. however i still think fifa should change the managerial qualification requirements to be the same as the players. (ie a national of the country concerned)

cue rumours of ashley to sell n ufc in bid to buy rangers/celtic (delete as unappropriate)

you are a land crab.now stop whining.

I recognise pace is important though Pie, I just don't regard it as very important so long as a player has other tools at his disposal which Milner obviously does, and despite his lack of pace he's not doing too bad. My argument isn't with you or the debate about Milner being good enough or not anyway, but with the mentality within the game that pace is a must have and the effects that's having on youth football, or rather the detrimental effect it's having. He doesn't though. That is the point. Solano clearly did. Milner clearly doesn't. If he did have then there wouldn't be a debate. Pace has always been useful by the way. Its not a new thing. JET Milburn springs to mind. If pace wasnt necessary then ask Bobby Robson why he always bought it/used it. From Alan Brazil to Gary Lineker (yes he was lightning in his prime) to Ronaldo to Craig Bellamy. Same applies to Alex Ferguson and Wenger. Would you say they were successful managers? Of course other things are useful. However, it is daft to suggest it is a new phenomenon. The game is more physical and way faster. Without pace, people struggle nowadays. Particularly in the Prem. However, its nothing new. Ask Kevin Keegan why he retired. Didn't Sir Bob buy Milner ?? Look i know you don't like Milner whilst i really rate the lad. I can't see your point of view at all really. Milner is a credit to our club and is a good talent as is Zoggy and Taylor imo. I don't think i'll be able to change your mind so i'm not going to bother. You are quite right. Apart from people who are a credit to the club are those who do well for it by making a significant difference. Therein lies the rub. Freddie Shepherd bought him by the way. SBR signed Fumaca, he wasnt infallible! SBR also signed Ronaldo etc Pie you don't half talk alot of s*** Freddy bought him because SBR wanted him. SBR didn't buy him cause he's s***. I've also seen Waddle play plenty of times and Milner is probably at least as fast as him possibly faster. Milner isn't as quick as lennon SWP Dyer etc that doesn't make him slow, they are all just very quick. Viduka would be my idea of slow. Hence the You seem to have proven that you didnt see him in his stint at St James. Utter nonsense tbh Unfortunately you fail to see how many times Waddler could simply outpace teams from the half way line. Something Milner simply isnt capable of. Example? Aston Villa in 1984 comes to mind. He did John Anderson for pace when he was at Tottenham too and despite Andos flaws he was the quickest in the squad at the time. To suggest that Milner is possibly faster is like saying Freddie Mercury was heterosexual tbh It would be an interesting race between Viana and Milner. Certainly both lacked pace. Certainly Viana had a way more productive spell out wide in 2003 than Milner has ever had. He was pretty average out there as well as well mind. The difference is that Viana isnt at his best out wide. Not that he was much cop elsewhere. i saw waddle at SJP (for and against) and he WAS NOT a speedster he had technique and nouse but never had the pace to just take someone on for pace. anderson quickest in our squad ?? as for vianas being more productive then milner in that position you have convinced me you'll lie to win an argument. Waddle was way way quicker than you give him credit for. Anderson was indeed being the quickest in the sqaud at the time. I am sure you knew that though. PM me if youre interested in more info. From your description of Waddle I am doubting you saw him from 1982 -85. Were you at the those games or just making it up? Terry Mac makes some very intersting comments about Waddlers pace too. He looked knackered but even at 30 odd but he still managed to outpace people for Wednesday. As for Viana? His productive spell at the beginning of 2003 was ok. Nothing that Milner has done will convince even the most myopic that there is any real difference. I am sure you can make a direct comparison between Waddle vs Villa in 1984 (at home, we won 3-0) and Milner versus who? Even Waddles England debut goal puts Milners lack of pace into perspective. yup i was there those seasons so don't doubt it and i stand by what i said. he relied vastly on technique and very parely pace. he was quicker than he looked but not a speedster.(in fact i'm struggling to remember waddle over taking anyone or standing level with someone and beating them purely for pace) as for viana if you can't see the difference then it's because you don't want to. for the last bit at what point did i compare waddle as a player to milner ? waddle was one of the most underrated players england has produced in my lifetime

I recognise pace is important though Pie, I just don't regard it as very important so long as a player has other tools at his disposal which Milner obviously does, and despite his lack of pace he's not doing too bad. My argument isn't with you or the debate about Milner being good enough or not anyway, but with the mentality within the game that pace is a must have and the effects that's having on youth football, or rather the detrimental effect it's having. He doesn't though. That is the point. Solano clearly did. Milner clearly doesn't. If he did have then there wouldn't be a debate. Pace has always been useful by the way. Its not a new thing. JET Milburn springs to mind. If pace wasnt necessary then ask Bobby Robson why he always bought it/used it. From Alan Brazil to Gary Lineker (yes he was lightning in his prime) to Ronaldo to Craig Bellamy. Same applies to Alex Ferguson and Wenger. Would you say they were successful managers? Of course other things are useful. However, it is daft to suggest it is a new phenomenon. The game is more physical and way faster. Without pace, people struggle nowadays. Particularly in the Prem. However, its nothing new. Ask Kevin Keegan why he retired. Didn't Sir Bob buy Milner ?? Look i know you don't like Milner whilst i really rate the lad. I can't see your point of view at all really. Milner is a credit to our club and is a good talent as is Zoggy and Taylor imo. I don't think i'll be able to change your mind so i'm not going to bother. You are quite right. Apart from people who are a credit to the club are those who do well for it by making a significant difference. Therein lies the rub. Freddie Shepherd bought him by the way. SBR signed Fumaca, he wasnt infallible! SBR also signed Ronaldo etc Pie you don't half talk alot of s*** Freddy bought him because SBR wanted him. SBR didn't buy him cause he's s***. I've also seen Waddle play plenty of times and Milner is probably at least as fast as him possibly faster. Milner isn't as quick as lennon SWP Dyer etc that doesn't make him slow, they are all just very quick. Viduka would be my idea of slow. Hence the You seem to have proven that you didnt see him in his stint at St James. Utter nonsense tbh Unfortunately you fail to see how many times Waddler could simply outpace teams from the half way line. Something Milner simply isnt capable of. Example? Aston Villa in 1984 comes to mind. He did John Anderson for pace when he was at Tottenham too and despite Andos flaws he was the quickest in the squad at the time. To suggest that Milner is possibly faster is like saying Freddie Mercury was heterosexual tbh It would be an interesting race between Viana and Milner. Certainly both lacked pace. Certainly Viana had a way more productive spell out wide in 2003 than Milner has ever had. He was pretty average out there as well as well mind. The difference is that Viana isnt at his best out wide. Not that he was much cop elsewhere. i saw waddle at SJP (for and against) and he WAS NOT a speedster he had technique and nouse but never had the pace to just take someone on for pace. anderson quickest in our squad ?? as for vianas being more productive then milner in that position you have convinced me you'll lie to win an argument.

good job you told us what country as we'd never have known where copenhagen was

we can all spit on him to put him out

world...... cruyff pele maradona england...... keegan cantona beardsley newcastle.... keegan waddle beardsley