madras

right then bit by bit watch how much ronaldo makes moves into the middle,yes you'll not see him throgh the middle from a goal kick but is he on the right or left ? ronaldo will switch side to side and roony tevz switch forward/deep and both pull wide. of course ferguson sends them out with a formation (did i say he didn't ?) but thir fluidity (like ours as the entertainers) means the players are clever footballers,moving,dragging the oppos away,moving into space. the comparison i'm trying to draw is man utd (defensivly solid,scholes through the middle ,then flux)and most other teams who if you listen to the radio you know whos got the ball purely by where it is ie until recently "newcastle attack on the right" meant it was milner..now it's not (i know milners out but you know what i mean)

do you know how we entered the fairs cup ?

i don't think he has the discipline required defensivly. lots of covering and taking up defensive positions involved where as n'zog,skillful as he is on the ball,his off the ball work is poor. In fairness, I did say he would grow into the position. I wouldn't expect him to be performing to his best immediately. The tracking back and closing down stuff is not hard to learn, it's basically just harrying like Barton/Geremi do - although it would theoretically be far more effective from N'Zogbia because of the pace he would be doing it at. We're still desperate for pace in the middle of the park and it would seem daft to lose a player who has the potential to be very useful either as a left winger or as one of the midfield three. it's not something you learn,its instinctive and a desire thing. i think n'zogbia could grow into a centre attacking mid of a diamond or behind a front two. the lads got talent and skill (but to me he has no footy nouse)

Man Utd don't even have a formation beyond midfield iyam. Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo, Nani et al just play where they want. Apparently it works fairly well for them... They do usually start out in set positions I think, and the changes usually occur when they aren't getting any joy, but that's the sort of thing that we need to be looking at doing ourselves. Like you've said, it helps that they're f****** brilliant. nah..man utd are fluid throughout the game rergardless of if it's working or not. Being fluid and not having a formation are entirely different things, they certainly don't "play where they want", like. The shape only really changes when they're chasing the game or after a goal, the "fluidity" is merely the movement off the ball more than anything when attacking, isn't it? i'm still disagreeing with you. think of the mauling up here, they had six forward players who'd pop up all over. Well you're wrong again, then oh i see..you've forgot or werent there.(cos they did). their movement,flexibility,mobility and fluidity has been fantastic since christmas. when tevez plays does rooney play alongside him ? no he floats about as does ronaldo, as does anderson/nani. does tevez stay up front..no he'll drop deep and one of the others will push on a bit.

got no plates on it...thats why

Nah, was even more obscure then. Pretty sure we got in that year because Malaga withdrew from it, and Spain didn't have anyone else who entered, so it went down to the next league with the highest UEFA Cup co-efficient, which was England, so we got in even though Aston Villa were our entrant. Aye, just Googled it, we were in the Fair Play draw that season and didn't get drawn, and you're right about Malaga withdrawing (f****** good memory!), but it was still to do with our Fair Play rating that we got the invite if the Northern Echo was right at the time: Have some of that, Madras. I am justifiably chastised.

Man Utd don't even have a formation beyond midfield iyam. Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo, Nani et al just play where they want. Apparently it works fairly well for them... They do usually start out in set positions I think, and the changes usually occur when they aren't getting any joy, but that's the sort of thing that we need to be looking at doing ourselves. Like you've said, it helps that they're f****** brilliant. nah..man utd are fluid throughout the game rergardless of if it's working or not. Being fluid and not having a formation are entirely different things, they certainly don't "play where they want", like. The shape only really changes when they're chasing the game or after a goal, the "fluidity" is merely the movement off the ball more than anything when attacking, isn't it? i'm still disagreeing with you. think of the mauling up here, they had six forward players who'd pop up all over.

i dont think england has had a team go through via the fair play lottery thingy.

don't think so...we were just the highest finishing team who entered.

at that time i always thought if we are 1 down with twenty mins left against anyone we'd win.

Man Utd don't even have a formation beyond midfield iyam. Tevez, Rooney, Ronaldo, Nani et al just play where they want. Apparently it works fairly well for them... They do usually start out in set positions I think, and the changes usually occur when they aren't getting any joy, but that's the sort of thing that we need to be looking at doing ourselves. Like you've said, it helps that they're f****** brilliant. nah..man utd are fluid throughout the game rergardless of if it's working or not.

i don't think he has the discipline required defensivly. lots of covering and taking up defensive positions involved where as n'zog,skillful as he is on the ball,his off the ball work is poor.

Not many teams play one of those. yet according to some owen is playing behind a front two ?

People may want to sign two centre backs, and it adds detail on the kind of centre halfs people want to see. Obviously both added together indicates the popularity of the centre back choice, and I think it is a bit better than just putting CB1 and CB2. why not go for 2 centre halves who are physically strong,good in the aor,read the game well and are canny on the ball ?

i'm 90% sure he'll regret it

we should be looking for players who can do more than one of them very well...ie midfielders who can score,create and stop the oppo.

I don't think anyone's debating that; the need for another left back is because Enrique is our only proven and natural player there and so we're in a spot of s*** if he gets injured, suspended or whatever. either a youngster who wouldn't expect first team games straight off or an experienced pro (maybe centre half come left back) who knows he's part of a squad. Yep, which is why I'm unsure on signing Shorey or Bridge as they'll be wanting to play ahead of Enrique rather than occasionally swapping in for him. Would be a shame if that happened as I feel Enrique has alot going for him and would be wasted in the reserves. Someone similar to that Gunter guy that Spuds signed would fit the bill nicely. putting my head on the block but i think enrique could become a very good international class left back. hate to see us lose him. i also think he is better defensivly than bridge or shorey and, with our upturn in form and different playing style (ie passing) has looked a decent ball player aswell. not the finished article by any means but shows everything needed at that age to think he could go far.

thats the great thing about the formation at the minute..i done even see owen as playing behind a front two. if we cant work it out what chance has the oppo ?

I wonder if Keegan has been using 4-3-3 as it gets the best out of what we have and had different plans for next season...but maybe his head is being turned a little ? D'you reckon he sees 4-3-3 as the long term (ie next season) plan ?

I don't think anyone's debating that; the need for another left back is because Enrique is our only proven and natural player there and so we're in a spot of s*** if he gets injured, suspended or whatever. either a youngster who wouldn't expect first team games straight off or an experienced pro (maybe centre half come left back) who knows he's part of a squad.

chiles was miserable at the start. honestly thoight he was going to finish with "all this on the day that blah blah blah passed away"

aye mid table against relegation threatened should take precedence over champs league qualification battle and local derby. Thats fair enough if you're talking picking live games, but the best game on the highlights should be shown first. Although they know half of the fans in the country will be waiting up to see Spurs get stuffed. for yars now they've done it in terms of which games they think will carry the more intrest

aye mid table against relegation threatened should take precedence over champs league qualification battle and local derby.

? Not today, earlier in the season thought he was poor. id have beye over hutton your mad His mad what? beat dave to it...he'll not be happy.

agreed but i'd like to see a top quality centre half brought in to add to the centre halves we already have.