Might have been posted before from Sheraer http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3965783/Gary-Speed-news-Alan-Shearer-opens-his-heart.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=Football
I refused to believe that he took his own life. I know there are people saying that people who are depressed don't show it sometimes, whilst maybe you can hide the depression, but to me it is just impossible that someone who could be laughing and making plans for next week for next year could take his own life within 12 hours, unless something horribly wrong happened and Speed was a clean man by all accounts. Maybe others find it easy to just rationalized the incomprehensible that way...he took his life because he was depressed and we can't understand it because we didn't go through what he did. No f***ing way, taking your life is no easy decision, it's not something you do in a flash, there must have been some thought process, some deliberation involved.
I wish the police would not just wash their hands off and say nothing is suspicious, how do you know if you don't f***ing launch a full investigation?! It's a cop out to accept his death so easily. Maybe I just can't accept that one of my heroes took his own life, but I'm convinced he was murdered and then the f***er disguised it as suicide.
Police never said it was a suicide.
well some tosh about nothing suspicious and therefore not investigating further. Plus if he was found hanging and the police said nothing is suspicious, isn't that one of the most obvious conclusion and what the police are effectively saying? I just think that in case, a closer investigation is required. It just does not make sense and no saying he was depressed does not do it for me.
Sorry that "depressed" doesn't do it for you but that really just highlights the gulf in understanding between depressed and non-depressed.
I ask you to consider that whatever led to his death didn't occur on Saturday/Sunday. Consider that there wasn't something that suddenly changed.
Entertain the possibility that the smiling face and the laughter and the plans for vacations were horrible but well intentioned lies meant probably to not arouse concern or suspicion. Consider something, probably now unknown forever, was tearing at this man from inside for a long time and he, through fear of not wanting to appear weak and ask for help or out of some misguided idea of nobility and not burdening others with his problem, had finally reached the end of pretending everything was ok. 'Put on a brave face and get through the day, f*** knows if it's going to be better tomorrow but you've got to keep going' once said a voice inside, but that voice was drown out by fear, or sadness, or madness.
Imagine a man entering a great new stage in his career, highly respected and admired in his field with two children and a wife, has decided this is the best thing for all involved.
It's hard to do all that for normal people. When you're depressed though, these kinds of insidious decisions and gradual erosions of ones will to keep going have a way of appearing to be made of crystal clear logic. It's nearly impossible to explain.
Still really confused and sad about all this.
To make it clear, I'm not in anyway saying that him being depressed (or not) makes any difference to the way I see him. I get the part that you can hide your pain, some of us have done that to varying degrees. But unless there is some medical explanation, I cannot see how someone could be laughing and joking and taking the mickey out of his mates and then take his own life hours after that. Forget being depress, try laughing when you are feeling sad, it is almost physiologically impossible and from my limited understanding, depression is like a million times worse than sadness.Look, I know no one likes being told they don't "get" something, but my post was trying to point out that applying logic and reason and sane thinking to try and explain the actions of someone who's depressed will result in exactly the kind of confusion you're exhibiting, with the "I cannot see" and "to me it is just impossible"'s. This confusion leads to the kind of speculation and, honestly I think, just-below-the-surface anger where you demand answers and reasons and why's because "depression" is just depression and there's nothing to get and it's something I CAN wrap my head around. But you can't. And please understand I'm not calling you dumb I'm calling you normal.
There doesn't have to be an external one. It could be completely physiological.
Nah, no one's trying to explain away the irrationality of it or that anyone should stop looking into it at all, I honestly don't know how you're reading that into it.
Well I have been clinically diagnosed with depression so I might have a better sensitivity to the kind of delusion someone operates under when they're heavily depressed. But on what basis am I concluding all the rest of that?
1. Out of all the scenarios I can imagine where Gary Speed is found that way, I think suicide makes the most sense.
2. Suicide is pretty much exclusively an act attempted and carried out by the severely depressed.
And I don't think anyone's saying "CASE CLOSED. GARY WHO?!" at all when they posit depression+suicide. Finding out why is important here, so long as it's within the wishes and with the permission of his family. If it's revealed to be otherwise, that's fine. If the family don't want him exhumed for tests w/r/t a chemical imbalance in the brain or otherwise, or if no more details are ever forthcoming, you can feel free to think up all the unsubstantiated conspiracy theories you want. For me it's bizarre and sad but that explanation makes the most sense.