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Inquest adjourned until end of January.

But the point is, why is it fair to label a man with an illness based on nothing other than guesswork? Is it any less fair to say he did it because he was an alcoholic, or a drug addict, or a schizophrenic, or because he had cancer? They're all illnesses or circumstances that can drive people to suicide and would all be based on as much evidence as the diagnosis of depression by those who didn't know the man i.e. none whatsoever. I wouldn't want to offend anyone, particularly people who have suffered due to mental illness, but the people I would want to be offended by any coverage least are the Speed family. If his wife is saying he wasn't depressed and yet every paper has an article in it saying that he must have been and you don't understand the illness to think otherwise, that is not fair at all.

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/11852/ This article does a good job of saying what I was getting at earlier.

The thing is that some people think suicide is an incredibly selfish thing to do, me personally, I think it depends on individual circumstances but if it wasn't suicide, Gary Speed himself may be appalled by the thought of people thinking he'd done that to his family, which is why I'm really uncomfortable with any sort of speculation.

I think that diagnosing a man with suicidal depression without being in possession of a single fact in the case beyond the fact that he's dead is no less disrespectful than speculating about anything else that may have caused his death. Maybe he was depressed. But maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was the victim of a tragic fluke accident, maybe he was murdered like alpal suggested. Some of these things are more likely than others but the only person with enough information to make that decision will be the coroner. Gary Speed was an individual, a great one, and deserves more than a catch-all diagnosis based on other people's experiences. His wife and children don't seem to think he was suffering from depression and they might be wrong but their views also deserve more than dismissal from amateur internet psychologists.

Cabaye's card was an absolute farce.

Yeah or the Football Daily podcast which will be available later: http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/5lfd

Shearer.

:'( Fucking hell. :'(

I reckon winning something might just edge it like.

I think speculation about anything, whether it be a press story, depression or anything else, is distasteful either way because it assumes you know something a man's life and death which might be completely untrue and unfair. Two or three years ago, two friends of mine walked home after a night in the pub, said their goodbyes when they got to her house and she went inside. The next morning, she was found at the bottom of the stairs, apparently having hanged herself from the banister. The friend who had walked her home was devastated for days, moreso because he thought he could have done something or said something that could have prevented her taking her own life and her family too bore the brunt of trying to understand why they hadn't noticed this deep depression that she must have been in. When the coroner's report came, she had actually been suffering from an unknown medical condition and a complete freak set of circumstances had caused her death to appear to be a suicide which wasn't the case at all. I think we'd all be better off waiting for the results of the inquest, which begins tomorrow, before speculating one way or the other.

The last minute when he starts to break down and Darren Fletcher starts to go with him is so sad.

Cabaye should be looking to avoid a booking until Swansea at home, then taking one there. Nowt wrong with it.

I agree with Dave, I think there's something really special about such a huge amount of people standing silent particularly in remembrance of someone who meant something to everyone there. A minute's applause, it's what you'd give Gary Speed if he appeared as half time guest, it's not very special. The mackems are really the ones who pioneered the applause, after the vermin who follow them away from home booed through the silence for John Charles at Cardiff.

Savage and others told some great stories about him on 606, podcast is worth a listen, him and Fletcher could hardly finish the show, very emotional. He was playing for Birmingham when Speed scored that screamer off the post, said that he went over to him two minutes later and said "how did you do that Speedo?", Speed just winked and said "you'll never be able to do that son"

Aye.

That's been cancelled btw.

I'm not a fan of the applause like, was only introduced because of some fuckwits who couldn't manage to be respectful for 60 seconds.

A fully fledged nowt.

That looping header against Blackburn Ridiculous.

Yeah in the studio, brief clip talking about Phil Jones on that Sun link.

Dan Walker, who presented Football Focus, with Gary Speed as a guest, yesterday: "He was as bubbly as I've known him. He was talking about his kids how they were really coming on and talking about playing golf next week. Even small things like how he'd just got into Twitter. It's awful to think someone who was so gifted and so well liked with the rest of his life to look forward to has been cruelly removed. He was in such a good mood about the show and said he'd love to come back before Christmas, he said: 'I really enjoyed it.'"

Shay

Ours is his only former club that doesn't have anything on the website.

Robbie Savage can barely speak on News 24.