Wullie

Fucking scousers.

Everton have won it at Citeh.

Can't see it.

Ashley Young.

When I saw Scott Gemmill had scored I thought it must be the ex-Forest midfielder and was surprised he was still alive. It's some young bloke though.

Not a chance.

Penalty for the mackems. EDIT: scored.

Those points against Wigan and Stoke could have come in useful.

Fucking mackem cunts. At least WBA are getting cut adrift.

More fantasy points for Gerrard. Got them on my accy too, howay you bin dipping twats!

Carragher's og is class btw, square ball across the box, under no pressure he passes it straight in.

It's all kicking off. Villa level, Gerrard's pulled one back for the dippers.

Bolton winning at Villa now. Mental.

Wigan 2-0 Blackburn.

I think we'd be 12 points better off if Keegan had stayed, even with this squad, so he's got to take some of the blame for our current plight. An extra 12 points would have us fighting for a European place instead of our Premiership survival. I wouldn't expect Keegan to put up with dross like Butt and Duff and pretend they are what he wanted (and he would have to). Keegan on Butt... "He has been vitally important and is the one player who stitches it all together. He just gets on with it. "Michael Owen captains the side, but I see him as another captain out there. Keegan on Duff... ve absolutely no doubt that Damien is going to be in the best shape of his Newcastle career," he said. "The lad hasn't had a proper pre-season in three years, but now he's at the weight he was at 18. "I think we've got to draw a line under what's gone on before. We definitely want to keep him. He's a player who sets good standards in training." So either a) Keegan genuinely liked and rated them, or b), he's a liar as well? Actions speak louder than words. He binned them and got results. I couldn't really give a f*** about quotes if I'm happy with what I see on the pitch. He bigged Shola up too then tried to peddle him. He binned Duff, aye, although he brought him back in at the start of this season. Butt was still a regular in the team though. Oh aye, sorry, I'm thinking about Smith. Yeah Butt did a fair job at the end of last season but was quite clearly one of the weak links and needed replacing (he's 34 next month ffs). He'd have binned Duff in a second given the chance.

I think we'd be 12 points better off if Keegan had stayed, even with this squad, so he's got to take some of the blame for our current plight. An extra 12 points would have us fighting for a European place instead of our Premiership survival. I wouldn't expect Keegan to put up with dross like Butt and Duff and pretend they are what he wanted (and he would have to). Keegan on Butt... "He has been vitally important and is the one player who stitches it all together. He just gets on with it. "Michael Owen captains the side, but I see him as another captain out there. Keegan on Duff... ve absolutely no doubt that Damien is going to be in the best shape of his Newcastle career," he said. "The lad hasn't had a proper pre-season in three years, but now he's at the weight he was at 18. "I think we've got to draw a line under what's gone on before. We definitely want to keep him. He's a player who sets good standards in training." So either a) Keegan genuinely liked and rated them, or b), he's a liar as well? Actions speak louder than words. He binned them and got results. I couldn't really give a fuck about quotes if I'm happy with what I see on the pitch. He bigged Shola up too then tried to peddle him.

Aye, I can really see Mike Ashley sanctioning that one. :lol: modric :lol: Yeah because he was also trying to sell the club last January when he put up the money for that deal. and now the fans are pissed because he wont spend after they've basically driven him out? flawless logic. He wasn't spending anyway. That's why Nicky Butt is still a first teamer. Butt is still a first-teamer because £6m was spunked on Alan Smith with the Dyer money rather than an actual midfielder. Mmm nope. Butt needed replacing in the summer but Dennis knew better. Yeah, he signed Guthrie. Only a year after the board sanctioned a £5.8m transfer of Barton, as well as giving a big contract to Geremi. So managers have signed, in their time under Mike Ashley four midfielders (or midfielders in the manager's eyes) in Barton, Geremi, Guthrie & Smith...that's not including Nacho Gonzalez. That's not the board's fault that two managers have spent a fair bit on midfielders and yet Butt still plays. He couldn't sign £18m Modric so went for £2m Guthrie? The obvious choice. Which two managers are you on about? Allardyce who signed the first three, and Keegan who signed Guthrie. Blame Keegan, always the easy get out card. Of course, it's all Ashley's fault that we've signed 5 midfielders and yet Butt is first-choice. And Keegan himself said he signed Guthrie after he impressed against us for Bolton. It is Ashley's fault because he didn't allow Keegan to go out and buy the players he wanted (which I'm pretty sure would have included midfielders other than Guthrie). I'd say Modric was an example that we tried, but failed. Oh well, no worries then. That'll comfort me while I sit and watch £500's worth of Championship football next season. What a sh*t argument. Your "argument" suggests that it's ok to go down with Nicky Butt in midfield because we tried to sign someone last April. No, my argument is that we didn't replace Dyer properly. If we'd signed say, for example, Diarra last summer rather than Smith, no-one would be worried about Butt being first-choice at the moment. So hang on... because we didn't act properly in 2007, we don't have to act at all in 2008? What sort of warped logic is that? We did act in 2008. We tried to sign Modric, and alledgedly Aimar as well. In 94, Keegan tried signing Ferdinand at the same time as Darren Peacock, does that mean, because we didn't sign him until '95 and we ended up with Kitson up front for half a season when he sold Cole, that we blame Keegan for not qualifying for Europe that season? Trying's no good mate, we can't go to the Premiership in May and say "look lads, we tried to sign x, y and z, can you swing it to give us the points we need to stay in the league?" I'm not interested in 1994 and I'm not interested in who we did and didn't try to sign (there's more than two midfielders better than Nicky Butt on this planet btw), I'm interested in staying in the Premiership - in itself a damning indictment of the massive damage Ashley has done to NUFC. I wonder if in May '95, Keegan & Hall said, "Look lads, we tried to sign x, y & z, will you let us in the UEFA Cup anyway?" Later, we then went and signed who we needed, Ashley hasn't had that chance yet. If it's the same situation in February and we haven't signed a midfielder or whoever, then yes, I'd agree with you. Again, why should I give a s*** about something that happened 15 years ago? I think the fact that we are in massive danger of being relegated because of Ashley's choices should be enough reason for you to agree with me unless your only ambition for the club is 17th. We should never have been in this position. I am not prepared to give credit to him in February for saving our top flight status when he's the one who has jeopardized it in the first place. You say that he hasn't had the chance - surely the summer was the chance given the failure of the previous summer. If he tries to sign Kaka in January and fails, presumably you'll let him then too for trying? How long can this go on? Do you think we'd be anywhere near 17th with those players and Keegan as manager? No but the squad would still be weak as piss and incapable of competing at the level we should be, Nicky Butt would still be getting a game, we'd still have one of the worst central midfields in the country. Keegan was being asked to polish a turd, pretend it was his and that he was delighted with it.

I think we'd be 12 points better off if Keegan had stayed, even with this squad, so he's got to take some of the blame for our current plight. An extra 12 points would have us fighting for a European place instead of our Premiership survival. I wouldn't expect Keegan to put up with dross like Butt and Duff and pretend they are what he wanted (and he would have to).

Aye, I can really see Mike Ashley sanctioning that one. :lol: modric :lol: Yeah because he was also trying to sell the club last January when he put up the money for that deal. and now the fans are pissed because he wont spend after they've basically driven him out? flawless logic. He wasn't spending anyway. That's why Nicky Butt is still a first teamer. Butt is still a first-teamer because £6m was spunked on Alan Smith with the Dyer money rather than an actual midfielder. Mmm nope. Butt needed replacing in the summer but Dennis knew better. Yeah, he signed Guthrie. Only a year after the board sanctioned a £5.8m transfer of Barton, as well as giving a big contract to Geremi. So managers have signed, in their time under Mike Ashley four midfielders (or midfielders in the manager's eyes) in Barton, Geremi, Guthrie & Smith...that's not including Nacho Gonzalez. That's not the board's fault that two managers have spent a fair bit on midfielders and yet Butt still plays. He couldn't sign £18m Modric so went for £2m Guthrie? The obvious choice. Which two managers are you on about? Allardyce who signed the first three, and Keegan who signed Guthrie. Blame Keegan, always the easy get out card. Of course, it's all Ashley's fault that we've signed 5 midfielders and yet Butt is first-choice. And Keegan himself said he signed Guthrie after he impressed against us for Bolton. It is Ashley's fault because he didn't allow Keegan to go out and buy the players he wanted (which I'm pretty sure would have included midfielders other than Guthrie). I'd say Modric was an example that we tried, but failed. Oh well, no worries then. That'll comfort me while I sit and watch £500's worth of Championship football next season. What a sh*t argument. Your "argument" suggests that it's ok to go down with Nicky Butt in midfield because we tried to sign someone last April. No, my argument is that we didn't replace Dyer properly. If we'd signed say, for example, Diarra last summer rather than Smith, no-one would be worried about Butt being first-choice at the moment. So hang on... because we didn't act properly in 2007, we don't have to act at all in 2008? What sort of warped logic is that? We did act in 2008. We tried to sign Modric, and alledgedly Aimar as well. In 94, Keegan tried signing Ferdinand at the same time as Darren Peacock, does that mean, because we didn't sign him until '95 and we ended up with Kitson up front for half a season when he sold Cole, that we blame Keegan for not qualifying for Europe that season? Trying's no good mate, we can't go to the Premiership in May and say "look lads, we tried to sign x, y and z, can you swing it to give us the points we need to stay in the league?" I'm not interested in 1994 and I'm not interested in who we did and didn't try to sign (there's more than two midfielders better than Nicky Butt on this planet btw), I'm interested in staying in the Premiership - in itself a damning indictment of the massive damage Ashley has done to NUFC. I wonder if in May '95, Keegan & Hall said, "Look lads, we tried to sign x, y & z, will you let us in the UEFA Cup anyway?" Later, we then went and signed who we needed, Ashley hasn't had that chance yet. If it's the same situation in February and we haven't signed a midfielder or whoever, then yes, I'd agree with you. Again, why should I give a shit about something that happened 15 years ago? I think the fact that we are in massive danger of being relegated because of Ashley's choices should be enough reason for you to agree with me unless your only ambition for the club is 17th. We should never have been in this position. I am not prepared to give credit to him in February for saving our top flight status when he's the one who has jeopardized it in the first place. You say that he hasn't had the chance - surely the summer was the chance given the failure of the previous summer. If he tries to sign Kaka in January and fails, presumably you'll let him then too for trying? How long can this go on?

Aye, I can really see Mike Ashley sanctioning that one. :lol: modric :lol: Yeah because he was also trying to sell the club last January when he put up the money for that deal. and now the fans are pissed because he wont spend after they've basically driven him out? flawless logic. He wasn't spending anyway. That's why Nicky Butt is still a first teamer. Butt is still a first-teamer because £6m was spunked on Alan Smith with the Dyer money rather than an actual midfielder. Mmm nope. Butt needed replacing in the summer but Dennis knew better. Yeah, he signed Guthrie. Only a year after the board sanctioned a £5.8m transfer of Barton, as well as giving a big contract to Geremi. So managers have signed, in their time under Mike Ashley four midfielders (or midfielders in the manager's eyes) in Barton, Geremi, Guthrie & Smith...that's not including Nacho Gonzalez. That's not the board's fault that two managers have spent a fair bit on midfielders and yet Butt still plays. He couldn't sign £18m Modric so went for £2m Guthrie? The obvious choice. Which two managers are you on about? Allardyce who signed the first three, and Keegan who signed Guthrie. Blame Keegan, always the easy get out card. Of course, it's all Ashley's fault that we've signed 5 midfielders and yet Butt is first-choice. And Keegan himself said he signed Guthrie after he impressed against us for Bolton. It is Ashley's fault because he didn't allow Keegan to go out and buy the players he wanted (which I'm pretty sure would have included midfielders other than Guthrie). I'd say Modric was an example that we tried, but failed. Oh well, no worries then. That'll comfort me while I sit and watch £500's worth of Championship football next season. What a sh*t argument. Your "argument" suggests that it's ok to go down with Nicky Butt in midfield because we tried to sign someone last April. No, my argument is that we didn't replace Dyer properly. If we'd signed say, for example, Diarra last summer rather than Smith, no-one would be worried about Butt being first-choice at the moment. So hang on... because we didn't act properly in 2007, we don't have to act at all in 2008? What sort of warped logic is that? We did act in 2008. We tried to sign Modric, and alledgedly Aimar as well. In 94, Keegan tried signing Ferdinand at the same time as Darren Peacock, does that mean, because we didn't sign him until '95 and we ended up with Kitson up front for half a season when he sold Cole, that we blame Keegan for not qualifying for Europe that season? Trying's no good mate, we can't go to the Premiership in May and say "look lads, we tried to sign x, y and z, can you swing it to give us the points we need to stay in the league?" I'm not interested in 1994 and I'm not interested in who we did and didn't try to sign (there's more than two midfielders better than Nicky Butt on this planet btw), I'm interested in staying in the Premiership - in itself a damning indictment of the massive damage Ashley has done to NUFC.

Eh? Ashley's done nothing but whinge for months about the money still owed on transfers (as if every club isn't run that same way). So the club has been saying it still has debts, 3rd-party says it hasn't...how's that the club's fault then? I've got absolutely no idea what you're on about. What's Keith Harris got to do with anything? Well you've just said the club said they'd paid off all their debts, but then said Ashley's been saying for months we're in debt...so what are you on about? They said one thing. Then said another. They lied. It's not rocket science. The most recent quotes I can find are from October saying we're close to being debt-free. If you can show me something from the club which says we're in debt still from after October, I'll believe you. Along with Keith Harris, I've absolutely no idea what October has to do with it. Because since October, the club's line has been it's debt-free, if you can find something since then where the club has said we're not debt-free, then fine. What club line? Ashley said in his "woe is me" statement that we still had loads of debt and he wasn't prepared to put any more money in. Are you suggesting that someone else has paid the debt off in the meantime? Keith Harris is not the club - he talks utter s***. Americans, Nigerians, you name it, he's made it up. Those being the Nigerians who were said themselves they were interested...can't speak for the Americans because no-one knows who's looked at the club and who hasn't, so we can't say he's "made them up". Who has paid off the rest of the debt then?

Aye, I can really see Mike Ashley sanctioning that one. :lol: modric :lol: Yeah because he was also trying to sell the club last January when he put up the money for that deal. and now the fans are pissed because he wont spend after they've basically driven him out? flawless logic. He wasn't spending anyway. That's why Nicky Butt is still a first teamer. Butt is still a first-teamer because £6m was spunked on Alan Smith with the Dyer money rather than an actual midfielder. Mmm nope. Butt needed replacing in the summer but Dennis knew better. Yeah, he signed Guthrie. Only a year after the board sanctioned a £5.8m transfer of Barton, as well as giving a big contract to Geremi. So managers have signed, in their time under Mike Ashley four midfielders (or midfielders in the manager's eyes) in Barton, Geremi, Guthrie & Smith...that's not including Nacho Gonzalez. That's not the board's fault that two managers have spent a fair bit on midfielders and yet Butt still plays. He couldn't sign £18m Modric so went for £2m Guthrie? The obvious choice. Which two managers are you on about? Allardyce who signed the first three, and Keegan who signed Guthrie. Blame Keegan, always the easy get out card. Of course, it's all Ashley's fault that we've signed 5 midfielders and yet Butt is first-choice. And Keegan himself said he signed Guthrie after he impressed against us for Bolton. It is Ashley's fault because he didn't allow Keegan to go out and buy the players he wanted (which I'm pretty sure would have included midfielders other than Guthrie). I'd say Modric was an example that we tried, but failed. Oh well, no worries then. That'll comfort me while I sit and watch £500's worth of Championship football next season. What a sh*t argument. Your "argument" suggests that it's ok to go down with Nicky Butt in midfield because we tried to sign someone last April. No, my argument is that we didn't replace Dyer properly. If we'd signed say, for example, Diarra last summer rather than Smith, no-one would be worried about Butt being first-choice at the moment. So hang on... because we didn't act properly in 2007, we don't have to act at all in 2008? What sort of warped logic is that?

Eh? Ashley's done nothing but whinge for months about the money still owed on transfers (as if every club isn't run that same way). So the club has been saying it still has debts, 3rd-party says it hasn't...how's that the club's fault then? I've got absolutely no idea what you're on about. What's Keith Harris got to do with anything? Well you've just said the club said they'd paid off all their debts, but then said Ashley's been saying for months we're in debt...so what are you on about? They said one thing. Then said another. They lied. It's not rocket science. The most recent quotes I can find are from October saying we're close to being debt-free. If you can show me something from the club which says we're in debt still from after October, I'll believe you. Along with Keith Harris, I've absolutely no idea what October has to do with it. Because since October, the club's line has been it's debt-free, if you can find something since then where the club has said we're not debt-free, then fine. What club line? Ashley said in his "woe is me" statement that we still had loads of debt and he wasn't prepared to put any more money in. Are you suggesting that someone else has paid the debt off in the meantime? Keith Harris is not the club - he talks utter shit. Americans, Nigerians, you name it, he's made it up.

Aye, I can really see Mike Ashley sanctioning that one. :lol: modric :lol: Yeah because he was also trying to sell the club last January when he put up the money for that deal. and now the fans are pissed because he wont spend after they've basically driven him out? flawless logic. He wasn't spending anyway. That's why Nicky Butt is still a first teamer. Butt is still a first-teamer because £6m was spunked on Alan Smith with the Dyer money rather than an actual midfielder. Mmm nope. Butt needed replacing in the summer but Dennis knew better. Yeah, he signed Guthrie. Only a year after the board sanctioned a £5.8m transfer of Barton, as well as giving a big contract to Geremi. So managers have signed, in their time under Mike Ashley four midfielders (or midfielders in the manager's eyes) in Barton, Geremi, Guthrie & Smith...that's not including Nacho Gonzalez. That's not the board's fault that two managers have spent a fair bit on midfielders and yet Butt still plays. He couldn't sign £18m Modric so went for £2m Guthrie? The obvious choice. Which two managers are you on about? Allardyce who signed the first three, and Keegan who signed Guthrie. Blame Keegan, always the easy get out card. Of course, it's all Ashley's fault that we've signed 5 midfielders and yet Butt is first-choice. And Keegan himself said he signed Guthrie after he impressed against us for Bolton. It is Ashley's fault because he didn't allow Keegan to go out and buy the players he wanted (which I'm pretty sure would have included midfielders other than Guthrie). I'd say Modric was an example that we tried, but failed. Oh well, no worries then. That'll comfort me while I sit and watch £500's worth of Championship football next season. What a sh*t argument. Your "argument" suggests that it's ok to go down with Nicky Butt in midfield because we tried to sign someone last April.

Aye, I can really see Mike Ashley sanctioning that one. :lol: modric :lol: Yeah because he was also trying to sell the club last January when he put up the money for that deal. and now the fans are pissed because he wont spend after they've basically driven him out? flawless logic. He wasn't spending anyway. That's why Nicky Butt is still a first teamer. Butt is still a first-teamer because £6m was spunked on Alan Smith with the Dyer money rather than an actual midfielder. Mmm nope. Butt needed replacing in the summer but Dennis knew better. Yeah, he signed Guthrie. Only a year after the board sanctioned a £5.8m transfer of Barton, as well as giving a big contract to Geremi. So managers have signed, in their time under Mike Ashley four midfielders (or midfielders in the manager's eyes) in Barton, Geremi, Guthrie & Smith...that's not including Nacho Gonzalez. That's not the board's fault that two managers have spent a fair bit on midfielders and yet Butt still plays. He couldn't sign £18m Modric so went for £2m Guthrie? The obvious choice. Modric was available. What other big money centre-mids were part of the transfer merry-go-round this summer? Deco? Oh aye... Chelsea or Newcastle, hmm. I don't really get what your arguing Wullie man. Are you saying he Ashley hasn't/wouldn't spend big on players? He has done - Coloccini is hard evidence of that. And again, tbh, i believed Mort when he said we bid for Modric and i still do. Fair enough, believe what you like. I believe he's a bare faced liar. £10m on one player alone is not "spending big" in my eyes. £6.3m on a left-back, club record. £10.6m on a centre-back, club record. £6m on Alan Smith. £5.6m on a Spanish U-21 striker. £5.8m on Joey Barton. £7m+ on Jonas Gutierrez. £7m+ on Jonas? How's that like? He's got nearly all the rest back man. We've never had a high "net-spend" so why is it only Ashley who seems to be getting this thrown at him? Well he's the owner. Who do you suggest the criticism should go towards?