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or they provide what they think society wants hence why the tabloids outsell the broadsheets and why the broadsheets have been dumbing down for years. want to know why we have a s*** press/media ?.........take a look at the society it is catering for. I blame people like Wullie for giving them the attention they're looking for, proving that this kind of journalism works.

In the Wikipedia scenario, the FA cup runners up would get the UEFA cup spot, not 6th place. You're contradicting yourself. Didn't you get the part where I said Portsmouth would qualify as the national cup winners? That's how I always thought it would work, but wikipedia doesn't make it clear. It gets confusing, but from the debate I had on another forum, that was fairly lengthy, we came to a general consensus. Wikipedia makes it perfectly clear, there is no ambiguity in what it says and it's not confusing at all. It implies if Portsmouth win the FA cup and come 5th then the UEFA cup position will go to the FA cup runner up. You are contradicting what it says and I prefer to believe the BBC over an article written by some random person based on a 5 year old source.

It's more to do with how attacking you are as a team than anything else. Which is why Spurs are so high, and we are so low (pre Keegan).

Do you have a source for Wikipedia being right? The FA reference cited for that information on Wikipedia is dated 04 February 2003.

In the Wikipedia scenario, the FA cup runners up would get the UEFA cup spot, not 6th place. You're contradicting yourself.

I agree tbh. I'm quite happy to take the piss out of Spurs players about it though. If it were one of our players there'd be mass rightious indignation about it.

Fair enough then. Link? How does this happen then?

It's a different one, from Wednesday night, looks like he's got the same outfit on though. The picture is from the previous incident, the report is from him being out on the lash recovering from a long-standing knee injury this Tuesday though.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_04/KingSpursPartyXPS_468x666.jpg http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=554468&in_page_id=1773 Coincidence? I think not.

I think a lot of the new money will go on inflated player wages as their agents create player unrest to line their scumbag pockets look after the best interests of their clients.

Unless the BBC are wrong, which I doubt (they were wrong on a point regarding this in the first draft of this article which they then checked and corrected), the rules have obviously changed from previous years. There are no UEFA cup places for cup runners up

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend him. The point I'm trying to make is that both Roeder and Allardyce had easy starts, a luxury that Keegan didn't have. Early in Roeder's honeymoon: English Premier Man Utd 2-0 Newcastle 12-03-2006 English Premier Newcastle 1-3 Liverpool 19-03-2006 English FA Cup Chelsea 1-0 Newcastle 22-03-2006 I'm not saying Roeder is the greatest manager ever or anything, I just think there were mitigating circumstances for last season (and for his previous failures), and he's not half as bad a manager as some would make out. You can get honeymoon periods, but they're not a given and the new manager should be given credit for creating them.

You can't compare the honeymoon period of Roeder and Keegan, if my memory is any good Roeder only played 1 or 2 top teams. I remember Chelsea but can't remember any others, Allardyce started off well, it didn't go wrong until he started pissing about with selection and different tactics for home and away games. Allardyce only started "well" because we had the easiest start to a season in living memory, and he could still only get us mid table.

Agree with this, theres not really much else to say except Keegan eem to be proving that there is a goodsquad o players there, it shows (to me anyway) that there didnt need to be a massive overhaul like a lot of people are saying and that we areactually a good side hat has been directionless. The summer is gonna be absolutley critical for me, i dont intend to compapre Keegan wih Roeder but we achieved a good level of success immediately after Roeder took charge which i attibute now to the honeymoon period where the players were relived to be playing under any manager but Souness. The point i am trying to make is that, in the summer the squad didnt take to Roeders methods, and despite this good run we seem to be goin on, im still wary of the team not taking to Keegans methods as well. There is absolutley no guaratuee of this happening. I think you and others do Roeder a massive disservice putting it all down to a honeymoon period. What happened to Allardyce and Keegan 's honeymoon periods? Last season's form had less to do with players not taking to a system and more to do with not having enough fit players to develop any kind of consistent system, yet we still managed to do better than this season with a mostly fit squad, an allegedly great Summer transfer window, and 2 honeymoon periods.

It's all relative. I think the average premiership spend this Summer outside the CL teams will be 10-20m, maybe more as there's a lot more TV and new owner money about. Obviously wages will take up a chunk of this additional money, but I still think there'll be a massive hike in transfer fees (I think it would have been cheaper for us to buy in January). I'm not expecting spending anything like the £100m that's been going around in rumours, but I'd be disappointed if we didn't spend significantly more than the average mid table club as a minimum. BTW From the things Mort has said in the past I'm expecting him to make a lot of noise about not focusing solely on the transfer fee, but also taking into consideration the whole package (ie player wages). I think that's fair and IS a better way of looking at it tbh especially as nowadays quite often the player's wages over the course of his contract will far exceed the transfer fee, but I think it will mean we "spend" less than a lot of people are hoping for.

Or just write it into the rules that we get a place however well we do eh? Aye! Which clubs have entered into the Intertoto cup then? Could we get in that way? Everton, Villa, Blackburn and Man City have and we can't catch any of them. We need to play really really fairly.

Simple yes, true no. Much like most of your "facts" actually.

So if Portsmouth get 5th and win the FA cup there will only be 2 UEFA cup entrants?

Only if Spurs get 5th or Portsmouth get 5th AND win the FA cup. Incorrect

Solano was just as key to the team and Robson froze him out and then got rid for a lot less reason than those 3 tbf. 1 goal & 2 assists from midfield every 5 games = Show pony

I'm lost for words at that "Toon Can Have a Party" video.

Well done Freddy

With all the money floating around for TV coverage of these games there really should be some sort of compensation fund for traveling supporters who have already made arrangements when these games are rescheduled.

Oh the irony. At a quick count: 1 mod, 3 admin, and 4 writing staff ITT having a pop at .com already. Is there an auto pop-up triggered in the admin forum?

The difference being? The difference being Woodgate's quotes of "that was his opinion but obviously it might have backfired on Glenn" and "sometimes you need to take a chance" very much suggest if Roeder had offered him what boro were willing to (if we even offered him a contract at all) he would have picked us instead. If he was always going to choose boro, what did Roeder's opinion matter? Very different from his quotes on joining Spurs, saying how pleased he was to be joining a club with ambition.