BottledDog

Strange thing that despite Bellamy allegedly causing trouble everywhere very few people have anything but good to say about him. Managers and players at his clubs and international team all seem to rate him. When he left Newcastle only one player had anything bad to say, the rest all said what a great team player he was. Other than that it seems like Souness, Terry MacDermott (who had never met him) and the chairman's son were the only ones with an axe to grind. A t*** off the field maybe, but highly rated by almost everyone he's ever dealt with professionally it seems. Strange thing that despite Bellamy allegedly causing trouble everywhere very few people have anything but good to say about him. Managers and players at his clubs and international team all seem to rate him. When he left Newcastle only one player had anything bad to say, the rest all said what a great team player he was. Other than that it seems like Souness, Terry MacDermott (who had never met him) and the chairman's son were the only ones with an axe to grind. A t*** off the field maybe, but highly rated by almost everyone he's ever dealt with professionally it seems. how often do you hear fellow professionals slagging each other off...cole and sheringham didn't talk to each other for over a year,they just say " we get on just don't knock around with each other" type stuff. it's weird how people believe the what people say when it fits their idea then "well he would say that" when it doesn't. i saw dyer and bowyer shake hands and say everything was fine,therefore........ I would love to believe in your cynicism but it is only Shepherd, Terry Mac and Souness who say otherwise. I hate to say it but if against a backdrop of every other professional who has worked with Bellamy say otherwise, I have to say, you and others in this thread come accross as complete idiots.

Commenting on all he can... this time he is complaining about th influx of foreigners and backs the local chairman to the hilt. Is it a valid comment or another snide snipe? All fair sentiments. We all wish for a local sugar daddy. I look forward to significant British investment in the near future.

By the by, Bolton have already started tying up their summer transfers.

By all accounts, Shepherd wanted him, Roeder wanted Huth, we ended up with neither. I cannot see Roeder changing his mind somehow.

I hope so, it would piss me off royaly if he scored the winner. Rafa's choice though, I doubt Bellamy is that bothered considering his quotes earlier.

Bellamy vs Shepherd. That'll be a good one. Wasn't it Shepherd who said that he would never go to a club as big as Newcastle again? /or was that just HTT?

Fair enough, I respect your opinion. I'm still not sure anyone here is acting like he was wholly innocent though. Even Bellamy himself admits he made mistakes. ok maybe not necessarily acting like he was innocent, but certainly forgave him for everything he did. I would be inclined to say that thats because he was a good player for us, but at the same time Kieron Dyer is hated by some so there is an element of favouritism in it. I don't think you can generalise like that. I just want us to do well on the pitch, if we have problem characters who give us another dimension then I want the manager to deal with them in a sensible manner, for the benifit of the team. That includes Dyer, at times when his itime on the pitch is limited due to injury then I can understand people having a go considering the wages we pay for him, but I think most things can be forgotten when he is out there playing and helping us win games. Anyhoo, as the Janitor say's there are some cracking interviews with Carver backing up most of what I have said. He is a pain in the arse, but was worth it.

Fair enough, I respect your opinion. I'm still not sure anyone here is acting like he was wholly innocent though. Even Craig ('Napoleon complex'?) Bellamy himself admits he made mistakes.

Yup, you can wear colours in there. Didn't go in this time but have done in the past and I've never seen any problems.

Wow, there is a whole tanker full of bollocks in that post. funny cos i agree with 100% of that! Funny indeed to agreed 100% with such exaggerated nonsense (a hallmark of any rant regarding Bellamy it seems). Whether he refused to play or not is entirely down to who you choose to believe. Bellamy continued to voice that despite protesting playing out wide, he had never and would never refuse to play in any position. I'm not even sure Souness himself ever said that Bellamy had flatly refused to play, but if he did, forgive me for remaining suspicious. As to the 100% thing, every manager that he had worked with prior to Souness (or post in the case of Hughes/O'Neill, no idea about Rafa) said that his commitment to training and playing was second to none, and that despite a pushy belief in himself driving them and others to distraction, every single one of them would have him in their team and work with him again. He was the same even as a kid according to my uncle. So no, he is clearly no angel (he may even be a complete arse) an but I don't agree that he was the cancer that Souness needed to cut out. Nor do I agree that we were better off as a club losing him in the manner we did, a manner that was all too predictable as soon as Souness laid his first blow soon after he arrived by questioning publicly whether Bellamy was even a proper striker. I do believe he was and still is a very good player who helped push the club closer to tasting success again for a short period, and that what's done is done. I won't boo or bait him for reacting to Souness, a man who it could be could argued was in the end a f*** sight more damaging to NUFC. ok fair enough maybe i shouldnt have said 100% but i think that a lot of people tend to think he was completely innocent when he was a s*** before souness even came. What about the rooney bid incident, even robson turned round to bellamy and said he was fed up of incident after incident. i think the reason he is more handleable (if thats a word) now is that he got a reality check when he left and has had to pull his finger out of his arse. I don't know anybody who thinks that, tbh. Nope, nor do many of us even want him back desparately, just remember the good times, how he drove the team forward on the pitch, and are heartely sickened by those who readily accept the managers (who had a history of clashing with top players that I assumed dared to question his shit decisions) assertion that his departure was inevitable and good for the club. Something those of us not brandishing pitch forks and seemingly all of his other employers would disagree with.

There you are, feel free to boo him like a pantomime villain and wish both his legs broken to your hearts content. You have his blessing.

Finally something I agree with ! Sick fucks.

And yet every manager he has worked under bar Souness would seem to think otherwise. Do you not at least see that as a possible flaw in your arguement that his departure was inevitable whoever was in charge? Do you really think he is innocent of any wrong doing at all? No. He seems arrogant and thoughtlessly direct to the point of being his own worst enemy. His willingness to stand against Souness was misjuged, as was contradicting him on live TV. That said, I had sympathy for the position he found himself in. He is clearly difficult to handle but as already noted, every manager other than Souness seems to have dealt with the task without seeing Bellamy rip their clubs apart. For people to think that that is just a coincidence strikes me as farking insane, and I think that a lot of the anger directed towards him is either over the top, or simply off target.

And yet every manager he has worked under bar Souness would seem to think otherwise. Do you not at least see that as a possible flaw in your arguement that his departure was inevitable whoever was in charge?

Wow, there is a whole tanker full of bollocks in that post. funny cos i agree with 100% of that! Funny indeed to agreed 100% with such exaggerated nonsense (a hallmark of any rant regarding Bellamy it seems). Whether he refused to play or not is entirely down to who you choose to believe. Bellamy continued to voice that despite protesting playing out wide, he had never and would never refuse to play in any position. I'm not even sure Souness himself ever said that Bellamy had flatly refused to play, but if he did, forgive me for remaining suspicious. As to the 100% thing, every manager that he had worked with prior to Souness (or post in the case of Hughes/O'Neill, no idea about Rafa) said that his commitment to training and playing was second to none, and that despite a pushy belief in himself driving them and others to distraction, every single one of them would have him in their team and work with him again. He was the same even as a kid according to my uncle. So no, he is clearly no angel (he may even be a complete arse) an but I don't agree that he was the cancer that Souness needed to cut out. Nor do I agree that we were better off as a club losing him in the manner we did, a manner that was all too predictable as soon as Souness laid his first blow soon after he arrived by questioning publicly whether Bellamy was even a proper striker. I do believe he was and still is a very good player who helped push the club closer to tasting success again for a short period, and that what's done is done. I won't boo or bait him for reacting to Souness, a man who it could be could argued was in the end a fuck sight more damaging to NUFC.

Wow, there is a whole tanker full of bollocks in that post.

Quit talking about injuries. How many times does Roeder have to tell you guys. For the 34th time in the last 20 days Roeder announced "I have never used the injuries as an excuse and I never will." - today's Journal. Also in today's Journal - "Getting people back fit will obviously help and ultimately determine where we will finish in the table." That's not contradictory, that's a FACT! Source: icnewcastle

No, just sack his possibly superior replacement, Joe Joyce.

Not wishing to wade into any arguement, but I could equally point out that a Spanish friend of mine is a Depor supporter and while saying they did well to get so much money for him, loved the guy to bits and still swears that given the right mananagement he would have done the club proud. Not that he was particularly upset that Luque was failing mind, as he was rather hoping it would mean seeing a cut price deal for him to go back to his old club.

San Marino have equalised against the Irish.

Aye, this one has me confused. But its was not a bidding war was it? Purely player preference How about trying to out muscle Boro over Huth? And if the relationship was that close, couldn't we have had a vague idea that our offer wouldn't have been enough for Viduka and saved the last minute debarcle with Milner?

Before and after shots man. I was hardly going to stand snapping away while the monkeys were flinging their shit around. Just showing how a few twats in caps (whether from Newcastle, PSV or wherever) buggered up what was an excellent atmosphere. Hope they enjoyed the local police hospitality.

Before. http://www.hdfa.co.uk/breda/images/Breda_triangle3.jpg After. http://www.hdfa.co.uk/breda/images/Breda_twatsincaps.jpg Knackers to that. I just stuck too drinking great beer with some top Dutch folks.

A little from column A, a lot from column B.