Dokko

Yup, this is the biggest issue we’ve got going on right now.

Can't even get anyone to give a fuck about the direct role of Saudi Arabia in 9/11 or the murder of journalists man, why would this be different? When this is all over imagine how salty bein will be showing our matches with keys presenting it.

It will. It’ll just be progress updates from itv and the likes for tonight’s 6pm, especially since a few have stuck their noses in to stir up issues.

To be fair without him they'd have gone bust. He's come In, stabilised the club and got the fighting for trophies and top 6 in the league. He's not once had them in a relegation battle and all he gets is ungrateful fans abusing him for trying to make them better. He even set the league record for a player purchase delivering on his promise of significant investment. They really need to be careful what the wish for.

Depends on how many crimes they need to cover up.

Doesn’t really matter though as everything is ruled offside due to whataboutery. Might as just go with whatever anyone is saying is true and their own house is fully in order leaving you to either walk away from the club or have blood on your hands.

Did they do the same for Man City? Did they object to bein sport buying the tv rights? f*** me, FIFA has an ethics branch, and without a hint of irony releases statements like that. Pretty sure that's an independent body, not associated with FIFA. Just keeps an eye on them and raises anything they see as an ethical issue. Sterling job so far

Did they do the same for Man City? Did they object to bein sport buying the tv rights? Fuck me, FIFA has an ethics branch, and without a hint of irony releases statements like that.

None. They needed someone in SA to prosecute and funnily enough no one was willing.

It would just be easier if this all falls through and we can be forever shit under Ashley.

I know, dubious source.

I agree with both posts.

Course they can’t micro manage individual cases. But that report suggest decades of abuse, blind eyes and events that have led to deaths. 2 recent deaths highlighted, but who is to say more haven’t been lost due to this work culture? It’s certainly not a company I’d work for, but I have a choice. Pretty hard at 38 to choose to support another club. This analysis makes a difference to me, I get it doesn’t to you and countless others. I certainly won’t be pushing my view on to you whether it can or cannot be discussed and the merit it poses on our own situation, everyone will see it with their own eyes and hopefully make up their own minds.

He'll probably be replaced by a dozen people. There in lies the reason why he was never any good at anything he seemed to do.

Also its typical Ashley, this. Sell the club to multibillionaires, but i'll sell it to a tarnished state just to fuck you over one last time. He's divided (and conquered) the fans for years, this may be his biggest one yet as it's even dividing individuals inside.

Sorry, a few replied there. For me its about finding balance. I'm being told to look in to human rights by a company who failed their own employers for decades up until last year where a damning report in the words of the Guardian 'threatens their credibility' I think its only fair the lens in turned inwards as well. I've done my research in to SA, and I've stated its awful, there's no defending it and i'm torn, so only right to do the same from those who are against. They are trying to stop this takeover. For me that is ending 13 years of misery. I've a cartoonist tell me to walk away from my club and every journo now finding an angle on why we should care as football fans for something that should have started and ended in the political arena. It's a lot to deal with, i'm not taking any of it lightly. I'm not trying to change the subject or avoid it, its there to be discussed between ourselves, i just don't think we need any further outside pressure to deal with especially when their whites aren't exactly clean either. Pointing that out should be allowed, if their opinion is counted. I understand they've done countless good things, but so have many people. It's the one bad thing that everyone remembers. Think of all the celebrity child abusers who were lauded for years, you don't wash away their sins because of all the charity work they've done, do you? Oxfam and the sex workers as ManDoon pointed out. Everyone has something to hide and it seems every org does as well. Whatever all that makes me then fine. Label me, call me out, but I'm trying to digest this the best way possible with facts I find and see. Like everyone else, i have a big decision to make.

I posted it 2 pages ago: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/06/amnesty-international-has-toxic-working-culture-report-finds

It added: “As organisational rifts and evidence of nepotism and hypocrisy become public knowledge they will be used by government and other opponents of Amnesty’s work to undercut or dismiss Amnesty’s advocacy around the world, fundamentally jeopardising the organisation’s mission.” The report, undertaken by the KonTerra Group and led by psychologists, to look into lessons learned following the suicides in 2018, found bullying and public humiliation were routinely used by management. “There were multiple reports of managers belittling staff in meetings, deliberately excluding certain staff from reporting, or making demeaning, menacing comments like: ‘You’re shit!’ or: ‘You should quit! If you stay in this position, your life will be a misery,’” it said. The review was based on a survey of 475 staff, 70% of the workforce of Amnesty’s international secretariat, and on scores of interviews. Some experienced “significant distress” during the process, it said. “Amnesty International had a reputation for doing great work but being a hard place to work. Across many interviews the word ‘toxic’ was used to describe the Amnesty work culture as far back as the 1990s. So were the phrases ‘adversarial’, ‘lack of trust’ and ‘bullying’.” Staff reported multiple accounts of discrimination on the basis of race and gender and which women, staff of colour and LGBTQI employees were targeted or treated unfairly. “Given Amnesty’s status and mission – to protect and promote human rights – the number of accounts the assessment team received of ‘bullying’,‘racism’, and ‘sexism’ is disconcerting,” it said. The reviewers provided Amnesty’s secretary general with a private report on allegations of abuse of power, discrimination and unfair treatment, which merit further investigation. They found multiple instances of alleged favouritism or nepotism in hiring and cases where “it appears that positions or individuals may have been made redundant without due process”. One of the issues facing the organisation was a “martyrdom culture”, in which staff would sacrifice their own wellbeing by taking on huge workloads – a clear “recipe for overload and burnout”. The restructuring had “taken a considerable toll” on staff wellbeing, it said. “Amnesty cannot effectively strive to make the world a better place while perpetuating an organisational culture deeply marked by secrecy, mistrust, nepotism and other forms of power abuse.” Kumi Naidoo, Amnesty’s secretary-general, said the review was a difficult and profoundly troubling read. In a statement (pdf), he said he would bring forward a reform plan by the end of March. You'd think an organisation based on defending human rights would have their own house sorted, but have let this go on since the 90s. Decades of this swept under the carpet. Sound familiar? If people want to ignore this because they want to focus simply on SA then ok, but it's not something i'm going to ignore now they are opening up us and our club up to human rights debate.

It is. 'Whataboutery' is being used to disable the debate, i personally don't think its fair for the balance of debate.

And yet it appears that AI themselves don't have a pristine record. Don't get me wrong, the sentiment of what they supposedly stand for in war torn areas, oppressive regimes and the like is something to applaud, but if buying the club has a good impact on thousands of lives what business is it of there's to condemn it. As I've said before, I'm not supporting Saudi Arabia, I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt and distancing their businesses from their historical issues while keeping my interests purely my own. Can I turn a blind eye to what they've done in the past, I'd rather not but maybe I can to some degree, I'm not a human rights protester myself, I'm open enough about that, it doesn't affect me directly and if they can do some good elsewhere with a different venture like our club then I'll concentrate on that. I don't see why Newcastle or it's fans should be penalised in enjoying the change of ownership by people that have nothing to do with them. So their workplace is toxic, is comparable to SA's regime? Come on now. TBF someone killed themselves, doesn't really get much worse than death. The bullying seemed to be rife as well. BTW i'm not saying anything that has been said against Amnesty is correct, or they shouldn't be getting involved, i'm still working out how i feel so trying to balance the scales.

TBH it's better for the PL to announce soon to avoid any more 'pressure' from outside sources such as Amnesty. Once they are in then they can plead innocence or ignorance or whatever. I could see their pressure backfiring and pushing it through quicker.

So which former poster are you?

Classic whataboutery in sure... https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/feb/06/amnesty-international-has-toxic-working-culture-report-finds Staff reported multiple accounts of discrimination on the basis of race and gender and which women, staff of colour and LGBTQI employees were targeted or treated unfairly. SA or AI? But Stones and glass houses etc...someone took their own life due to it as well.

Me too, mine was class mind. Was it about pardew?

It's all getting a bit tetchy.