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But Jelavic was offside from the initial shot. How that's not gaining an advantage I'm not sure. Having seen the replay again, it was an attempted "clearance" from the Irish player so guess that it's not offside if the defender had "control" of the situation? Yeah I know it came off a defender last, but Jelavic was already offside when the first shot was struck outside the box (as was another attacker). Presumably it classes as a second phase or whatever bollocks, but he clearly gained an advantage and that's what the rule is supposed to prevent. Don't think so. If the initial shot had gone in, you wouldn't have claimed it was offside, would you? Eh? In that case Jelavic wouldn't have gained an advantage. If the initial shot had gone straight to Jelavic who had controlled it then offside should definitely have been given. No doubt. My point is if he had been onside when the initial shot came in, then ran 'offside' and was still in that 'offside' position when the ball deflected off the Ireland player, you wouldn't argue that the goal wouldn't have stood, would you? What position he was in during that initial shot is surely irrelevant. It's about that extra advantage he gained by already being ahead of the last defender. Happens all the time that a ball gets a deflection or comes back off the keeper or a post, strikers often are more alive to the rebound than defenders. If he was level or better and a defender simply played him through with a wank clearance or whatever then fair enough if he beats the other defenders to the ball. If the initial shot had come back off the goalkeeper to Jelavic then IMO he should be given offside (if the officials spotted it). I don't think there's a difference with this. Wasn't a rebound, though, was a clearance by the opposition. Surely two clearly separate phases. Anyway, it's a goal, regardless.
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But Jelavic was offside from the initial shot. How that's not gaining an advantage I'm not sure. Having seen the replay again, it was an attempted "clearance" from the Irish player so guess that it's not offside if the defender had "control" of the situation? Yeah I know it came off a defender last, but Jelavic was already offside when the first shot was struck outside the box (as was another attacker). Presumably it classes as a second phase or whatever bollocks, but he clearly gained an advantage and that's what the rule is supposed to prevent. Don't think so. If the initial shot had gone in, you wouldn't have claimed it was offside, would you? Eh? In that case Jelavic wouldn't have gained an advantage. If the initial shot had gone straight to Jelavic who had controlled it then offside should definitely have been given. No doubt. My point is if he had been onside when the initial shot came in, then ran 'offside' and was still in that 'offside' position when the ball deflected off the Ireland player, you wouldn't argue that the goal shouldn't stand, would you? What position he was in during that initial shot is surely irrelevant.
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But Jelavic was offside from the initial shot. How that's not gaining an advantage I'm not sure. Having seen the replay again, it was an attempted "clearance" from the Irish player so guess that it's not offside if the defender had "control" of the situation? Yeah I know it came off a defender last, but Jelavic was already offside when the first shot was struck outside the box (as was another attacker). Presumably it classes as a second phase or whatever bollocks, but he clearly gained an advantage and that's what the rule is supposed to prevent. Don't think so. If the initial shot had gone in, you wouldn't have claimed it was offside, would you? Irrelevant Okay.
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But Jelavic was offside from the initial shot. How that's not gaining an advantage I'm not sure. Having seen the replay again, it was an attempted "clearance" from the Irish player so guess that it's not offside if the defender had "control" of the situation? Yeah I know it came off a defender last, but Jelavic was already offside when the first shot was struck outside the box (as was another attacker). Presumably it classes as a second phase or whatever bollocks, but he clearly gained an advantage and that's what the rule is supposed to prevent. Don't think so. If the initial shot had gone in, you wouldn't have claimed it was offside, would you?
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Looks a legal goal to me, like.
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Andrews is an ugly fucker, like.
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I'm not being racist, but all Ukrainians look the same to me.
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Playing quite deep now, the Irish.
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Pitch looks slippy as owt.
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Damien Duff got a late winner for us? Refuse to believe.
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Three perfect dives from Doyle now. Great work.
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Croatia should have their proper shirts on. Don't like this blue nonsense.
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Croatia off the pace here.
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Croatia making a bit of a hash of this.
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The prick in the crowd gets a goal!
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Two feckin gorgeous dives so far from Doyle.
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Some prick with a whistle in the crowd. What a joker.
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Has the camera ever fallen off one of those zipline things and killed a player?
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Bilic always manages to look like a businessman having a nervous breakdown.
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Lovely doive to be sure.
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Why Carragher? What possible reason could they have for picking the most poorly spoken man in the country as a pundit?
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Hmmm... not convinced Ireland have it in them, tbh.
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Torres & Balotelli would make a wonderful couple.