Slugsy

I agree with your comments regarding the full back and the centre back';s life is not made any easier with the incompetency of our full backs. However, I don't agree that in particular for the second goal that Bramble should have left his man to challenge for a ball that was being dealt with by another player and leaving the player he was marking completely on his own - he was attracted to the ball like a fly to sh*t without any thought to the situation around him - classic Bramble defending. Diouf was not being marked By Carr, but by Brambe - perhaps Carr should have been near the post but make no mistake, Diouf was Bramble's man at that moment and once again his inability to make the right decision at a crucial time and also his lack of awareness of the situation has lost us a goal.

That's a quite ludicrous statement/opinion - Bramble was supposed to be picking up Diouf on both goals and failed completely. This isn't the first time he has been guilty of ball watching either. I don't disagree with your thoughts on the full back position but Bramble is just as bad - his concentration levels are lower than a child's.

Oh don't get me wrong, I think we are stuck with Roeder as NOBODY in their right mind will come here at the moment. We are back at this precarious point again, going round in circles. Roeder is not good enough, he is as bad as I have always thought and his previous record suggested but this situation ultimately is the fault of one man and one man alone and it aint Roeder.

How often has he played this season? its CLEAR he is a far better pkayer than Shambles, who isn't even comically bad any more, he's just shite. Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Bramble. I'm just arguing the point that do we really have a better player on our hands in Taylor? I agree he has shown promise, but in his games this year (for us and England) he has been just as shocking as Bramble. No, no he hasn't. Bramble is one of the least talented central defenders in the Premiership. Taylor has a lot of quality, imo. ... I know it's hypothetical, but if you take the mistakes out of Bramble and Taylor, in my opinion Bramble is the better player. Please don't take offence, but when the f*ck are some people going to wake up and smell the coffee - you can't take the mistakes out of Bramble, they are inherent, they are part of his make up - HE IS AN IDIOT WHO MAKES TERRIBLE DECISIONS ON THE PARK!!!! So when you take that into account its very easy - Bramble is awful and should not be in the team, the club or anywhere in the EPL!!!

No As I've argued elsewhere, do we have a better player than Bramble to bring into the team... on form alone? And if it's all Roeders fault that we didn't buy defenders, then why do we ALWAYS fail in the transfer window (who's the common factor through all the managers)? Give Taylor a run of games - he's done it with Bramble - the least Taylor deserves is a run and I am fully confident that we won't see the number of mistakes that Bramble makes. We don't always fail in the tranfer market - I do remember a time getting Woodgate for a song. That's a poor excuse for Roeder's inability to buy defenders - oh we didn't in the past so don't expect it now? Nope - sorry, the weakness is more evident than ever before and to not address the problem tells me he is not good enough to be a manager of a EPL club. Maybe Shepherd didn't want him buying defenders - if he was man enough he would have told Shepherd to get to f*ck and done what he wanted or resigned. I don't think that was the case though, I just think he is a weak, weak manager who is way, way, way over his head!

How often has he played this season? its CLEAR he is a far better pkayer than Shambles, who isn't even comically bad any more, he's just shite. Amen. Roeder's reward for a player continually costing the team 3 points? Another start! GENIUS!!!!

Our defensive mistakes are completely Roeder's fault - he is the one that chose not to buy defenders, he is the one that continues to pick Bramble. We are in a worse points position now than we were with Souness at this time last year - FACT.

Bellamy for sure.

Good God! I thought you were joking in your other posts. What on earth in Roeder's career gives you any basis for that belief? I was thinking the same thing - given not only his past career but the performances and results this season there is absolutely no basis for believing we will get those wins other than blind hope!

Much improved and pleasing to see - I still think his movement is decidely average in terms of intelligence and position and I won't be getting excited like the kids until he starts doing it against opposition of a better standard - bear in mind that team we played against was GASH!!! He deserves credit and hopefully this will buoy his confidence to better and greater performances, particulalry against the top teams in the premiership.

Martins has for me not looked good enough and his movement for a so called 'fast' player has been average at best. I find those that are going on about how good he has been so far the same folk that kept spouting 'Bramble for England' each year or 'Ameobi has potential' and 'Dyer is world class' - those tinted specs must be great! Its not a sin to say it how it is and right now Martins is looking poor and struggling to adapt not only to the Premiership but also to our sh*t team - but to cut him some slack, I'm not sure Henry would have a great time with the way we are playing - f*cking long ball after another f*cking long ball!!!!! :wullie: My main gripe is that we needed a player that can hit the ground running - such as Johnson who has proved a very good buy for Everton so far and I find criticism about Johnson from those who in the same breath praise Martins efforts so far quite incredible. blueconfused.gif I'm all for Martins long term and still don't think he was a bad buy, although I think he was overpriced and I think he is far from good enough as yet - our strike force looks wishy washy to say the least, particualry when we are relying on Ameobi as our main striker (a unfit one at that). Our situation required someone who as Roeder himself said it -"had premiership experience" and thus goes back to Roeder's total failure in the transfer market and also to the fact that we punt long ball after long ball up the park which is not conducive to good attacking football (jesus could our tactics be any more transparent in a game -punt to Ameobi/Sibeirski to knock down for Martins)

I always knew you talked shit and basically just spouted football cliches (has a good spring on him, works the forward areas well, very raw) wrapped up in overly long posts, and all this post has done is confirmed it further. You honestly don't have a clue what you're talking about. His movement was pretty much non-existent and needs to improve VASTLY if he is going to make it in the Premiership. He caused their defence all kinds of problems??? Did he?? Did he ****. I especially like the bit at the end of your post where you bemoan the modern football fan as someone that wants to see instant results - which by the way is not what the majority are saying - when you probably didn't bother going cos it was on the telly. Now THAT is the problem with the modern football fan - especially the know it all ones that talk in Match of the Day cliches when they haven't got a clue what they're on about. Did you go to the game btw, Mr. Newcastle United, of was it easier just to watch this one on telly? Definitely easier to keep an eye on a player's off the ball movement if you're actually there btw. Spot on.

Gobsmacked that people are still defending him - where do these buy these tinted specs from? When it comes to Newcastle is at a mandatory labotomy for some?? :roll: Lazy, weak, pathetic are all words I can definetly attribute to that waste of space! Sibierski getting the nod before him - says it all really.

Can somebody tell me what exactly is happening with him? Where is he?

Both to blame - with FS its obvious, with Roeder I think we have now seen a big weakness -shambolic transfer strategy and targetting.

Agreed Wullie, agreed.

I'm sick to the back teeth of the BS -we are in pole position for 3 players, we have identifed 5-6 players! I can identify 20 players who we haven't signed. We needed two quality strikers and at least 3 defenders - we got 1 quality striker, one quality midfielder who was not a priority, a young kid with no premiership experience and a janitor. I'm not sure where the blame lies but not sorting out our defence is nothing short of criminal.

I go out for a nice meal with the wife, walk in and find we have signed an absolute JANITOR!!!!!!! I am truly livid, livid!!!!!!

So are people saying that Luque's best position is left wing? I'm sure I heard a number of folk on here say last season that Luque was a striker? If Luque is a left wing than we need to get shot, we have Duff and Zog, that's enough for me thanks.

Agreed. blueconfused.gif

Of all your posts on this thread, I can agree with that one. No point defending Luque's performance yesterday but those bashing him should also at least have the decency to acknowledge that he isn't an out and out striker especially not one who leads the line, the way he was forced to play yesterday. Luque plays in a 4-3-3 left forward position and since I can't ever see us playing that under Roeder, the only position he can play for us is a forward behind the main striker. Both Milner and Luque were supposed to stay in the box yesterday, its such an irony that the one who did anything but stay in the box is getting rave reviews whereas the one who did stay in the box despite that not being close to his game is getting all the stick. I bet if Luque was to drift out wide and interchange positions with Zoggy the way Milner changed positions with Duff he would have looked great too. Instead he is beeing butchered for following Roeder's instructions. Milner isn't an out and out striker but his work rate, movement and general game was excellent, he put himself about, tried really hard and quite frankly deserves credit - Luque on the other hand doesn't. Oh and I don't think Luque has had any decent games and your defence of him and excuses is beginning to sound like someone clutching at straws. As for Luque not having ant decent games you must have missed out on his performances against Lillestron and PSV, not brilliant but as decent as any of our other players in fact better than most, or maybe you just have selective memory. Nope, was there and he was pretty mediocre - as were most mind, but mediocre he was. So you are holding Luque up to standards that even most of his teamates has not achieved? What are you on about - I referred to the games you mentioned - in the Wigan game and last night most of his teamates upped their game at least in patches or improved on what I normally expect - Milner, Duff, Emre, N'Zogbia - WHEREAS Luque just got worse, thus confirming what I said before that I have never seen him have a good game for Newcastle. So you are saying Luque is fast are you?

Oh, one other thing - I've seen quicker snails than him.

Of all your posts on this thread, I can agree with that one. No point defending Luque's performance yesterday but those bashing him should also at least have the decency to acknowledge that he isn't an out and out striker especially not one who leads the line, the way he was forced to play yesterday. Luque plays in a 4-3-3 left forward position and since I can't ever see us playing that under Roeder, the only position he can play for us is a forward behind the main striker. Both Milner and Luque were supposed to stay in the box yesterday, its such an irony that the one who did anything but stay in the box is getting rave reviews whereas the one who did stay in the box despite that not being close to his game is getting all the stick. I bet if Luque was to drift out wide and interchange positions with Zoggy the way Milner changed positions with Duff he would have looked great too. Instead he is beeing butchered for following Roeder's instructions. Milner isn't an out and out striker but his work rate, movement and general game was excellent, he put himself about, tried really hard and quite frankly deserves credit - Luque on the other hand doesn't. Oh and I don't think Luque has had any decent games and your defence of him and excuses is beginning to sound like someone clutching at straws. As for Luque not having ant decent games you must have missed out on his performances against Lillestron and PSV, not brilliant but as decent as any of our other players in fact better than most, or maybe you just have selective memory. Nope, was there and he was pretty mediocre - as were most mind, but mediocre he was.

I don't disagree with what you say in terms of comparing them and roles, however since Luque has been here I have seen no indication that he could do that role and I get the feeling some people think if they say it enough it will come true, fact of the matter is he has shown no pace, enthusiasm, hunger or desire since he came here (well particulalry pace) but people keep thinking he will come good and reel out loads of excuses - when did the conclusion - 'he's just not up to the job' become a no no?

Of all your posts on this thread, I can agree with that one. No point defending Luque's performance yesterday but those bashing him should also at least have the decency to acknowledge that he isn't an out and out striker especially not one who leads the line, the way he was forced to play yesterday. Luque plays in a 4-3-3 left forward position and since I can't ever see us playing that under Roeder, the only position he can play for us is a forward behind the main striker. Both Milner and Luque were supposed to stay in the box yesterday, its such an irony that the one who did anything but stay in the box is getting rave reviews whereas the one who did stay in the box despite that not being close to his game is getting all the stick. I bet if Luque was to drift out wide and interchange positions with Zoggy the way Milner changed positions with Duff he would have looked great too. Instead he is beeing butchered for following Roeder's instructions. Milner isn't an out and out striker but his work rate, movement and general game was excellent, he put himself about, tried really hard and quite frankly deserves credit - Luque on the other hand doesn't. Oh and I don't think Luque has had any decent games and your defence of him and excuses is beginning to sound like someone clutching at straws.