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Well he might have meant that but if he did he's missing the point of administration, because that would generate far less money for investing in the team. My point is if Ashley wants to sell various assets to make money to keep the club running then he's better off selling them himself then paying administrators to do it. If he sells them himself he can negotiate the best deal and the entire fee will be available to use as he see's fit. If he brings administrators in they will then have the power to sell Ashley's assets for whatever price they decide, take a large chunk themselves and decide where they want the money to go (so Ashley may not see a penny of it and he will have no say in that what so ever). Selling a player for £4 million when you still owe £5m on him isn't desirable no. However bringing administrators in who may then decide to sell that same player for £3m pocket £250,000 themselves and give the other £2.75m to the club we still owe £5m too is even less desirable! The point is MA doesn't want to put anymore money in, it would be about him formally letting go of the scenario. Glad to see people have finally understood the players are worth jack shit. You think he'd rather effectively wash his hands of the club and get almost nothing back, lose almost the entire £250m, then continue to try to get as much of his money back as possible? He's a greedy man and will not do that, if he doesn't sell quick enough and needs cash he'll sell his own club assets (players) rather then paying administrators to do it.

A few people apparently. Whichever way you look at it Newcastle has bags of potential and so would be a good investment. So people keep saying. I've seen less bias in the Daily Mail. Its not an opinion, its a simple fact. A club that can produce the 13th largest turnover in world Football after finishing lower-mid table has massive potential, but if its run by a bunch of fuckwits obviously its not going to be realised. By the way Parky a turnover of £50m isn't far off what some Premiership clubs get.

Well he might have meant that but if he did he's missing the point of administration, because that would generate far less money for investing in the team. My point is if Ashley wants to sell various assets to make money to keep the club running then he's better off selling them himself then paying administrators to do it. If he sells them himself he can negotiate the best deal and the entire fee will be available to use as he see's fit. If he brings administrators in they will then have the power to sell Ashley's assets for whatever price they decide, take a large chunk themselves and decide where they want the money to go (so Ashley may not see a penny of it and he will have no say in that what so ever). Selling a player for £4 million when you still owe £5m on him isn't desirable no. However bringing administrators in who may then decide to sell that same player for £3m pocket £250,000 themselves and give the other £2.75m to the club we still owe £5m too is even less desirable!

Selling an 8-12 goal a season Premiership striker for £7m, and replacing him with a 20-25 goal a season Championship striker for less than half of that isn't the worst idea in the world tbh. How many 20-25 goal a season Championship strikers have even managed to get 8-12 goals a season in the Premiership? Scotland won't have to do that though. He can just play at the same level he's done well at recently and that will be good enough for us. Just meant that Martins may very well score more goals then Scotland in the Championship. Obviously I agree with the idea that we shouldn't have players on £65,000 a week in the Championship, but if we got a new owner who said we could afford it I'd prefer him to stay.

Selling an 8-12 goal a season Premiership striker for £7m, and replacing him with a 20-25 goal a season Championship striker for less than half of that isn't the worst idea in the world tbh. How many 20-25 goal a season Championship strikers have even managed to get 12 goals a season in the Premiership?

Ashley will keep the club ticking over until its sold, simple as that. If he wanted money desperately to keep the club running without putting more of his own money in he could easily sell any players he wants for a cut price. He doesn't need to pay a group of people large sums of money to sell his own assets for whatever they see fit and give him a fractions of the profits.

One question for you. Would you prefer Newcastle United to be in a) the Premiership or b) the Championship? One question for you. Would you say banana's are a) too yellow or b) not yellow enough?

I wouldn't give him a fresh start. I'll begrudgingly accept that he's back and give him a chance though.

Can't believe that like. Not so much the Shearer thing, I disagree but I can see what you're getting at, rather that you think those were the only significant mistakes he made.

There's no settling in period. He knows how it all runs, he's been there before and I doubt much has changed, he'll know the majority of the staff around the club, he knows who he wants to put in charge and such. As soon as the takeover goes through, we can pretty much get started straight away. That's quite a plus considering how far down the line the Summer already is. I agree with all of that and its all very positive, but what scares me is Shepherd with an iron grip on the club that won't be removed until we inevitably go into administration. Of course no buyer scares me just as much.

What is it he has to learn, Dave? That's a serious question and don't forget nobody can predict the future. What would you prefer? A Board that backs the manager or one that doesn't? Well I'm not going to list out all the things I think were mistakes, but generally I mean finding a more reasonable balance regarding the finances and the way he dealt with managerial appointments. I believe your question regarding backing a manager is far too simplistic - even if Ashley had spent more money his 'system' and the way he dealt with Keegan/Kinnear/Hughton etc was catastrophic. It's not just about money spent. Do you believe Shepherd made any mistakes? I remember you saying if Roeder was a failure then it was someone else's turn. I think his major mistake was not being prepared to change manager after we finished 3rd. I don't consider it a mistake to appoint a previously successful manager who is backed to the hilt but doesn't do the business at Newcastle. That's down to the manager. Yes its down to the manager to use the money he gets wisely, however its the owner/chairman's job to hire the right man to make those decisions. Even more importantly its his job to make sure the club doesn't over-stretch itself financially and Shepherd failed badly there. Its not a good thing to just back whatever manager he puts in charge with no regard for the effect it will have on the clubs finances.

Oh, no I was just commenting on the ridiculous claim in the Sunday Sun article above that the club has a £248m loan.

Obviously not, I don't care if they care or not though

Or Kenny Dalglish.

Arsenal £300m debt Man Utd £700m debt Obviously for some people Championship football with no debt is better than challenging at the top with debt. What on earth has that got to do with my post?, or even the situation mentioned in that article? The point of my post was that we don't have loans of anywhere near £248m, its yet another outragous claim from the rags.

£248m worth of loans..

Proof read your post. It was 4 in the morning and I was pissed for fuck sake, give as a break sad lad!

How were Newcastle fooled by it like? And how was this made up bloke a leading contender simply because the papers were taken in? The papers in this country really are as amature as it gets, no proof reading or editing, facts don't matter, reality doesn't seem to matter.. They just twist the facts in whatever way will give them an entertaining story for the moronic general public.

I don't think he'd score more than 15 goals. He doesn't have the intelligence to time his runs, he won't appreciate being man marked most games and he doesn't make use of his pace and never has since he signed for us. Most Champsionship players have very little intelligence and even less pace. I agree Martins would be lethal in the Championship.

The obvious investment opportunity would be to make the club successful and sell it on for a profit. Just putting us back in the Premiership would increase our value to between £200m-£250m, push on from there and they could sell for far more. I'd query that figure, because Ashley wasn't able to get £200 million for us when we were in the Premiership, but it seems to me that the biggest problem facing football club owners is that they pretty much have to spend all the money they make, because that's what other clubs are doing and they have to compete. In fact, there's pressure to go into debt because that's what others are doing. I mean maybe, just maybe, £100 million is under-priced for a quick sale. But even then, you really want an owner who's in it for the long haul, not someone who wants a fast buck. Yes he was able to get £200m, he turned down two offers of over £200m, one from the bloke who's just took over Portsmouth and one from the people who took over Man City. He wasn't selling for £200m, he wanted £400m!

The obvious investment opportunity would be to make the club successful and sell it on for a profit. Just putting us back in the Premiership would increase our value to between £200m-£250m, push on from there and they could sell for far more.

Should be looking for £3m minimum for Nolan, £35m for the lot and I'd be very happy to see them all gone appart from Enrique. Hopefully they'll add Smith and Duff to that list, I assume they aren't on it due to them wanting to stay, fuck that sell them anyway IMO.

Source I assume you're joking..

True for most clubs but not ours, we have the raw material to be succesfull without the need for a owner to subsidise us. Problem is we've been disgustingly miss managed over the years which did leave us in a position were we needed to be subsidised until that could be brought under control. However if our wage bill was anywhere near a reasonable level (not talking about low, just not the 5th highest in the fucking league when we were mid table with no Europe) we would easily have had enough money to not only survive but succeed with a decent chairman and manager. A £100m turnover without even being in Europe afforded us that opportunity, and the likes of Shepherd and Ashley pissed all over it.

No its a good question, he has tens of millions tide up in his latest businesses does he not?