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To be fair though, as much as I feel Kinnear is costing us wins with his stupid substitutions, what you've mentioned there is far from relegation form. You're talking about 12 points from 10 games, if it kept going like that we'd end up on 42 points. if u can't beat team's like stoke and wigan when leading 2-1 with only injury time left then you deserve to be relegation kinnear is a bufoon and will be out by febuary Two results don't make a team deserving of relegation, we'll only deserve to be relegated if we finish in the bottom 3, simple as that. Like I said I'm as pissed off at Kinnear as anyone and as annoyed as anyone about those games. But the fact is since he took over we aren't in relegation form... yet. Points from last 10 games (bottom half):- Spuds - 16 Stoke - 15 Boro - 13 Newcastle - 12 Wigan - 11 Man City - 9 Sunderland - 8 West Ham - 6 West Brom - 5 Blackburn - 3 We'll have to see if we can get at least 12 points from our next 10 games.

To be fair though, as much as I feel Kinnear is costing us wins with his stupid substitutions, what you've mentioned there is far from relegation form. You're talking about 12 points from 10 games, if it kept going like that we'd end up on 42 points.

Fairly obvious difference between getting high balls into the box and just lumping it forward from defence to some brick shithouse. Not really, either way its not good Football.

I never complained or said you shouldn't be allowed to play that style of Football, I just disagreed when you tried to make it sound like you played good Football. No idea what your opinion on our club and its situation has to do with it either. I'd wager they player fewer long balls in the second half than we did. If they did that still doesn't mean they played good Football. We were fucking terrible in the second half! What's that got to do with the point of your's I quoted? They didn't play great football, but it was good enough against a terrible team in the second half. The same way our football was good enough against a terrible team in the first half. Don't really know what you're arguing here. Everything considering its the point of my argument. I'm saying that we played some good Football in the first half, they played ugly yet effective Football in the second half. No idea why that opinion has to escalate into an argument in the first place.. only on this forum.

I'd wager they player fewer long balls in the second half than we did. If they did that still doesn't mean they played good Football. We were fucking terrible in the second half!

They never resorted the long balls? What? There entire game plan revolved around getting the ball high into the box by any means necessary. Nobody said they didn't deserve to get the draw, they did because they put a lot of pressure on a very unbalanced Newcastle side in the second half. That doesn't mean I'm going to pretend they played good Football.

No, I saw it and we were woefully embarassing. Second half we were the better team and deserved a point though. Even messrs Shearer and Owen agree on that. I see what you did there mate, I take it you are the comedy genius around these parts then..... You're fu**ing special son As are you. It boils down to First half you tried to pass it about and were mauled, second half you played like a Rugby team and scored twice after we had to make some daft changes. I don't understand your criticism of them, they were as awful in the first half as we were in the second. Didn't think their fans were too bad (in the ground) either, seen far worse at SJP in recent years. He's talking about the quality of Football not how effective each team was. At least we played some good stuff in the first half.

Why would you want the Spuds to win? What are you desperate for exactly?

You are of course correct, compared to the likes of the big teams in the league we are pretty awful. There are also teams in the league who are even worse than us, they currently lie below us in the league. No wonder your fans are so universally hated. Hardly. He's not said much incorrect there either. Ok then you tell me which teams currently below Stoke in the league are worse Footballing sides? In fact tell me which ones are in the whole league.

You are of course correct, compared to the likes of the big teams in the league we are pretty awful. There are also teams in the league who are even worse than us, they currently lie below us in the league. There isn't a single team below you in the league that's a worse Football team. There isn't a team in the league actually, why bother trying to deny the way your team plays? Like I said it it keeps you up then its a good thing, because you don't have the players to play decent Football.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing when Fuller took Coloccini apart like he wasn't even there before crossing for Sidibe to get us back in the game. Horrible to watch...... One bit of direct running and a cross for a tap in is hardly amazing Football.. I mean maybe it is to you but it certainly isn't to the rest of the league. Look you're a pretty awful Football team but if your manager can keep you up by playing that way then he'll have done a fantastic job, given what he has to work with, that's all that matters.

Because Newcastle United is worth more with Michael Owen contracted to it and giving him a new contract doesn't cost him a penny, it comes from club revenue.

Sorry but all I can do is laugh at that, too ridiculous

I wouldn't say its too early for Blackburn to panic. I mean most of us are panicking about our situation and Blackburn are three points and -9 goal difference worse off then us.

If Kinnear could just pick the team then leave substitutions to somebody else I'd be much more confident. He starts well but then sabotages ever game we play at the moment.

Yes I think so, I honestly can't even understand what must have been going through his head to make such a change, it still amazes me.

It definitely doesn't look good at the moment. Here are some scattered relegation worried thoughts on the matter Last season we had 22 points at this stage, now we have 16, though we did have an easier start to the season last time around. The next 14 games are very important because last season we only took 7 points from them, so that's somewhere we can possibly catch up. Though we still need 13 points from those 14 games to catch where we were last season, a season when we were already in relegation trouble. Our current form would see us take 15 points but who knows what will happen over the course of those games... The last 8 games if anything look a little bit harder then the last 8 from last season, plus we got 14 points from those 8 last season to end up with a total of 43. We look incapable of getting 14 points from 8 games at the moment, so we really can't rely on those. Having said that 37 points would have kept us up that season, but this season seems different, I doubt 37 points will keep a side up this season. Personally I think we need at least 18 points from the next 14 games for me to feel confident of staying up. If we go into the last 8 games needing 10 to 12 points I'll shit myself.

Coloccini just got surprised by Fullers pace and power, not knowing a thing about Fuller he wouldn't have known what to expect.

Happy days. Brilliant isn't it!

Well at least that's something, we're 5th bottom by one entire point.

Now the Mackems are going to get a point and once again we're joint 4th bottom. We've finished a dream day of fixtures for us without gaining any ground at all.

If he lost 10 games in a row of course he would be sacked. Ashley does not want this football club to get relegated. If he lost 10 games in a row we'd already be relegated no matter what happened with Kinnear. Lets just hope it wouldn't take Ashley 10 games to sack him if we do start losing consistently.

Changed my vote from 3 to 5

Well done, Joe. You can put two wingers and two strikers on the field, and make them play as two wingers and two strikers against the mighty Stoke. Bravo. Kinnear had so many better options to replace Guthrie. He could have shifted Colo there or moved Zog into the centre as he's played there before. Putting Beye into midfield was a disastrous decision at the end of the day. He even could have just brought on Cacapa for Guthrie, ok its not perfect but at least he'd then only have one player out of position instead of three. He had no problem bringing Cacapa on for Geremi, seemingly for no reason, so why not for Guthrie?

Seen it on the tele just before the end and it was never a free kick in a million years. As for us, we'll get relegated at this rate if we cant beat West Brom, Wigan and now Stoke at home - which are teams we should be beating at SJP. If you look at our next four games in the league, we've got Portsmouth away, Spurs at home, Wigan away and Liverpool. Personally I cant see us winning any of them. Things dont look good We did beat West Brom, but you've still got a point.