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Do you not think that the reason we played so well against Manure was because the players didn't need any outside motivation to play well against such a big team? IMO that's the difference between Kinnear and Hughton, Kinnear can motivate a team to a degree, Hughton can't.

We certainly wouldn't do a Leeds in our current state. But if we'd spent more who knows, I suppose that depends on the actual amount people are talking about spending. Also I wonder how much we'd be earning in the Championship. Undoubtedly less then we currently spend on wages.

There's so much wrong with that post it's hard to know where to start but the bolded bit...I disagree that JK is a worse manager than Allardyce, and if you are saying that it was wrong to pay out so much money to get rid of the fat faker, then obviously that negates your point about paying Keegan off as he would never have been here, we'd still have Allardyce, heading to Hull with a ten man defence and hoofing the ball 50 yards for Owen to scrap for. We wouldn't even be in the Premiership now had we kept Allardyce on. Oh and HappyFace, ask yourself what do the three players you mention all have in common? Answer is they all asked to leave.

People aren't pretending A lot of people really are annoyed at the ludicrous money he earns for doing very little. Also where do you think most of the clubs money comes from?

Yes but maybe with the exception of Barca, Milan and Bayern an english club will either win or come runners up in the champs league for the next 10 or so years. Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal (you cud add Man City in a few years!) are now the super powers of european football which dosn't bode well for the other clubs in the prem!! I think Man City have a lot to prove before they can be mentioned before the likes of Villa..

as will the days of top flight football for better or worse, as you say In the long run healthy financial status is way much important than big money buys! Fat Fred is one of the main reasons why we're fighting against the relegation every season now and the current global financial crisis haven't helped us one bit. No, the reason we're fighting relegation is because of this current regime. They have had 4 transfer windows to improve us and are now on their 3rd manager who they have driven to another triple heart bypass. We may have been on the edge near the end of the last board, but it's this one that's deciding to push us over the edge. pathetic. point scoring to the extreme. Fine, take that part out but the point still stands. If we get relegated you can hardly blame it on the old regime. To do so would be stupid. There are a multitude of reasons why we're fighting relegation. A lot of those reasons lie with the new board, but possibly even more of them with the old one.

Its not reasonable if its used in the way I suggested. The specific team loaning the player isn't the issue though, its the strategic use of the loan system by the team sending the player out that I'm questioning.

You prefer Hughton to stay in charge?

Suing the club for OBVIOUSLY valid reasons or he wouldnt have a case right? If the people above him stuck to their job descriptions and been good boys they may be £9 million pounds better off come next season. Like i say, if a manager was sacked he would want his compensation. Same thing. Managers get compensation which amounts to the remainder of their contract. He was here 9 months, so what kind of contract do you believe he was on to warrant £9 million compensation?

It all boils down ironically to the thing many are criticising KK of being - selfish. We selfishly expect an unhappy man to stick to his job just for us. We expect him to get on with people just for us. We expect him to forsake money just for us. We expect players to stay here for life just for us. We expect the owner to pump in his own money out of his own pocket just for us. We expect him to just f*** off and sell up even at a loss just for us. We expect him to pick KK over Wise just for us. We expect Wise to f*** off just for us. We expect too much of other people who I'll let you into a little secret do not and never will see things as we do where our club is concerned, be it KK or Shay Given, Ashley or Wise. Poor us more like... If players and managers didn't claim to "love the club and its fans" and kiss their badges then people wouldn't expect so much of them. You can't just say things you don't mean and then expect a free pass when you prove you didn't really mean it.

I didn't see him in Spain, but 9 goals in 21 games is a pretty excellent goals to games ratio. Out of interest what makes you think he couldn't be a prolific goal scorer if given the chance?

I've already stated my doubt over this "injury" The rumour of him going to Man City in the summer prompted me to say during the game down there, he'll be off the field with an "injury" very early on - and lo..... In some ways it waould be better for Owen and Viduka to have injuries that are definitiely going to keep them out of the side for the rest of the season. Neither player will put themselves about 100% and risk an injury between now and then. If they're injured all season they won't get the moves they want. Especially in Owen's case, he's going to have to remind people of what a top goal scorer he is in the remainder of the season if he wants £100,000 per week off anyone.

You agree that outside the best five teams in the league every other teams aim is simply not to be relegated? That's just not true though.

Like others have said they're shit and the fact that we've beaten them so many times obviously has a negative effect on them and a positive one on us. Its certainly not guaranteed, but nobody can argue its a very winnable game.

The loan system works well as it does now and have for ages. Nowt wrong with it. End of discussion. Ok hypothetical situation. Club A is in a relegation battle and have a good player who's unsettled. They loan him to Club B who are also near the bottom of the league and he improves their team. Club B then has a better chance of beating other teams, including the other teams in that relegation battle. Apart from club A because he can't play against them as part of the loan agreement. Do you see that as fair?

He might take a deal though, 80% of his contract up front and he can fuck off back to where he actually wants to be.

Relegation isn't settled at the end of those games though, what you're talking about is dropping into the bottom three, not relegation. I agree we have to beat Hull to keep the situation from going totally into the shitter, but we do have 5 games after the ones you mentioned, three of which are at home against sides in a similar position as us. By the way, one of the four games you mentioned is against the Spuds, need I say more?

Being fair mate, its easier said than done. Bassong was a real find. Its not easy to find players with potential like his for so cheap unless you are willing to raid relegated sides. While I do however agree in principal trophy signings like Owen should be stopped and we should go for a younger approach. The term trophy signing is such a cliché, especially when it comes to someone like Owen. Although at the time I would have rather had Anelka. Ok then, players with a high reputation. More established players like Owen, players whoare considered top quality and cost a hell of a lot because of it. I think you need to strike a balance though. You can't just bring in a team full of cheap talent from abroad. You need established quality players in the mixer as well. It's going to be some time before we sign a player of Owen's ability again though. I'd much rather have a player of a bit lower ability who actually plays games.

We've beaten the Spuds the last six times we've played them in the league, so we have to consider that a very winnable game.

Mmm, smells like poor judgment to me... Bad judgment is a massive understatement Even in the past when he has had some poor performances he's always looked like a quality player finding his feet to me. Can't believe anyone would want him sold even before his recent performances

I can see us beating those teams as well, but we can't afford to go into those three games needing to win. IMO we need at least another 10 points to stay up. Which is why we have to beat Hull!

Works his arse off and is neat and tidy and can beat players quit, but rarely assists and even more rarely scores. Pretty similar iyam. Yeah if you completely ignore one of Jonas's best attributes you can make him sound the same as Park, again they aren't similar players though.

Like Jonas but without the ability to beat a player?

He's nowt like Jonas! I agree with the op, he's a nothing player, a good engine is about all he has.

Should be 2:0!