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This is relegation form. I don't know how you can deny that. You don't throw away 2 goal leads at home to teams like Stoke and expect to get away with it. Before the last 3 games I would have expected us to take 3 or 4 points in total from them. We have 3, not in the way we thought but to go away to Boro and Chelsea and get points doesn't indicate relegation form to me. Form doesn't equal 3 games though, I said the same thing to myself after the Boro game with regards to Wigan. I thought well I expected 3 points against Wigan and maybe one against Boro and none against Chelsea so its not so bad in the end. But now when this result is added to it the picture starts to look far more worrying.

We've been here before. We're going nowhere. Yep, short memories. We'll be fine. Really wish you'd fuck off with this condescending bullshit Diablo. Short memories of what? I remember last season perfectly. Dalglish and Gullit left within a few weeks of the respective new seasons. We were close-ish to relegation under Souness, but we were five points away from the drop-zone with a few months to go. Roeder, we were never really in danger - i never really understood this big sigh of relief when we won at Sheffield United. We were miles away from going down. Last season we were potentially going down - that's the closest we've been until now, but we had Kevin Keegan and pulled ourselves away. This season, we're a few points off bottom of the table at Christmas times, with a shitty run of fixtures in the New Year. With Joe Kinnear. We're perilously close to relegation, man. Why should I? Like I said if we hang on which was looking more and more likely and the time ran out would there be the same inquest into Kinnear's subs, his tactics? Course not. We concede a goal from A SET PIECE, and suddenly he's the fucking anti-christ. It gets to me more than anything I've ever read on here, kneekjerk doesn't do it anywhere near justice. We were in a worse position under Allardyce and say what you like, we could have easily gone down under KK imo. But we're not even at Christmas yet, picking up points (that should have been three points today, yes), scoring goals and looking reasonable tight at the back. What with the premiership table as it is now too it's pretty fucking obvious to me that we've been much deeper shit not even 8 months ago. Yet i'm reading this 'omg, we r so going down' which gets an airing every time a result doesn't go out way. We'll put in a Villa like performance soon and everything will be rosy again. Perilously close to relegation, good cunting grief. The way you talk about the game everything was going fine until we leaked a fluke goal and now Kinnear is being made a scapegoat. That's just not how it happened.. We invited pressure on to ourselves for the entire of the second half and to me it was always a matter of when the Stoke goals would come, not if. Contrary to the rosy picture your painting we looked more and more desperate and likely to concede as time ran out. This is not a case of everything going ok with an unlucky goal at the end, this is a case of a manager making 3 completely inept substitutions, each of them piling more and more pressure on the side, and being inevitably punished for it.

WHAT?? How are we CLEARLY going to be fine? Correct me if I'm wrong here but we had 18 points this time last season!

I'm not sure how you can be so confident. If you can't hold onto a 2-0 lead over a club like Stoke, at home, then you deserve to be relegated if you ask me. And it's not like the equaliser came out of nowhere. They deserved it and that's the thing that makes it so bad. I agree with everything else you've said and most of this, however the free kick they scored from was never a foul in a million years, there was nothing there what so ever.

Whore!!!

Rio Ferdinand is an awesome defender, Faye is decent. We have different perceptions of adjectives. I'd say Ferdinand was a 'world class' defender. I'd say a defender needs to be world class, or pretty close, to put people in awe of his defender. I can't remember ever being in awe of Faye, he was a good and very solid defender, that's all.

When you've followed Stoke for as many years that i have, and seen some players that have graced the red and white stripes......Beleive me Faye is Emmense. Like I said I knew he'd be immense for Stoke, he's just not immense in comparison to other defenders in this league.

Nobody was happy to lose him, because he'd been our best central defender the season before. He's a very solid no nonesense defender, better then Cacapa and better then Taylor, not immense IMO though. He's not in Colocinni's league and I think Bassong is also better though its early days with him. He's still a loss though because at the very least he could have been an excellent backup defender to keep Cacapa away from the first team I said at the time that Stoke had just made there best signing of the summer by the way simply because he's be such a huge step up in quality for a club coming in from the Championship.

You deserve derision here though, why shouldn't we expect our team to do ok in the league? This club pays out the 5th highest wages, why on earth should we accept shit for that kind of outlay?

This isn't even worth posting, yet more bitter no nothing drivel from one of the most annoying loud mouth ponces in Football today. I'm surprised he had time to make these comments considering the amount of time he must spend on split ends and his panty line.

Taking things far to literally. He clearly means that he thought it was a certainty at the time and now he doesn't think its a certainty any more.

I also think relegation is unlikely, that was the point of my post really. Last season our first 15 or so games were very easy on paper and the second half of the season was the fixture list from hell. But this season its much more balanced.

Erm no, I'm implying that being at home gives you an advantage compared to playing away (12 points at home and 3 away so far), unless you're Everton

Our next 15 games are definitely easier on paper then our first 15 and so far we've played three of the top four all away from home.

Soak the sides of the pitch and don't provide towels to dry the ball on, if Delap uses his shirt to dry the ball he'll be dripping wet within minutes

Not sure, we'd have the same goal difference and the same goals for and against, they might get it because of having one more win then us?

He deservedly got sent off, no injustice at all. By the way take a look at the table at where City are, two points above us and falling fast, wouldn't it be just the best thing ever if they ended up getting relegated With all the talk about who they're going to buy and that "they're close to being bigger then Man Utd" ect it would just be hilarious for them to go down.

Lets not forget Owen hasn't played much Football since his injury, it always takes him at least a few games to get his sharpness back.

Just shows you how a few wins can transform the season. Reason for hope. Or a few losses, when you look at the likes of West Ham, Mackems, Blackburn. We were in severe danger of going that way after the abominations of Fulham and Wigan, but in fairness to us we've done well to cling onto some sort of ledge with these last two results. Really is time to build on it now with Stoke and Spurs to come to us, aswell as a genuine opportunity of an away win at Pompey. Like i've said in another thread, if Kinnear's ever gonna prove us wrong then this a massive chance. His last chance was Fulham and Wigan (post Villa). He can't afford to fuck it up again. The key is to keep picking up points, which we are for the most part. I know it's frustrating not to win these games but two draws at boro and Chelsea are still pretty good results. Picking up points away is good yes, but we need to start winning more at home. Draws at home against the teams around us aren't good enough and too many of them would see us relegated no matter how many good draws we get away.

The league is insanely tight, we're only 4 points off 7th.

Good result, what's really let us down is the Wigan game. Had we not thrown two points away there we'd have taken five from the last three games which would a point above my expectations, as it is we've taken a point less then I expected.

Jonas 8, Zog 5 - which game did you watch? He probably saw the whole game Still I'd agree they shouldn't be that far apart, they had pretty similar performances really. To be fair to him he only really started to struggle once the fog rolled in on his corner of the pitch.

Its definitely pointless because the poll actually shows that the fans don't want him to stay. 45% said they were prepared for him to stay given the current financial climate. Not really the same as Newcastle fans now making a u turn and wanting him to stay despite the misleading article title.

Fans must never have backed Ashley by that logic.

Berbatov would probably do him in, as long as he got past the bravado.