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Not really if you take into account the goals he scored got us higher league placings meaning more cash, helped us get into Europe, saved us millions from us not going down, got us in the next round of cups, I am sure I could think of more things but I am heading out now. Laters.... He's still costing that though, he's not alone in helping the team, many players can do that and they won't usually cost £363,000 per game.

He is a total gimp like

The Sun are reporting that Bruce wants to try to sign Butt in the summer and apparently it would be "a hammer blow" to us How fucking out of touch are todays press?

since when? What? When has Viduka been great with the ball at his feet? Since I first saw him play for Celtic until now. He wont be a starter for the team anymore, as I think his latest knock career threating if reports are believed will have taken the edge off him & he is not young enough to change his game now. Like Craig Moore he will go from PL with Newcastle to the Oz league. To be honest, I don't think he's had any physical edge for years, its all upstairs so I don't see him needed to change his game. I think he may be getting judged too quickly and he could be important for us for the rest of the season. Obviously I agree we still can't renew his contract though, because he simply doesn't play enough. Unless its basically pay per play as I've said before. He wasnt Teddy Sheringham man, he used to have a nice burst of power. Of course he will have role to play we have so few players I am guessing we have not seen the last of Cacapa either. Maybe he had a good burst of power 3 years ago..

since when? What? When has Viduka been great with the ball at his feet? Since I first saw him play for Celtic until now. He wont be a starter for the team anymore, as I think his latest knock career threating if reports are believed will have taken the edge off him & he is not young enough to change his game now. Like Craig Moore he will go from PL with Newcastle to the Oz league. To be honest, I don't think he's had any physical edge for years, its all upstairs so I don't see him needed to change his game. I think he may be getting judged too quickly and he could be important for us for the rest of the season. Obviously I agree we still can't renew his contract though, because he simply doesn't play enough. Unless its basically pay per play as I've said before.

IMO one striker of the right quality would replace both Viduka and Ameobi. Edgar wouldn't need replacing because he's anonymous while Cacapa needs to be replaced anyway, whether we release him or not, he's just not good enough. So I'd say that if we release nobody we need 3 to 4 players, and if we release all but Owen and Harper we meed 5 to 6 players.

A nine is just sooo over the top!

That's crazy. When he's coming back from injury he can be hit and miss, but once he's got his sharpness he's a fantastic finisher.

Eh? Why not if he only gets paid when he plays? He can't hide/pretend not to be fit because he won't be paid. Also if he's s*** in games he doesn't get picked and so also won't get paid. Where's the downside here? The downside is he is too old, too fat and too crap. It would be much more worthwhile getting in someone who is actually interested in football. We don't need his stinking unprofessional behaviour around the place any longer. Again none of that is a downside if he's only paid when/if he plays as he won't play often if he's shit. By the way I disagree with you on Viduka, he's old and slow but he's quality on the ball when fit.

So do I, but that's the only way I'd take him, either that or an extremely low wage with a large pay per play bonus.

Eh? Why not if he only gets paid when he plays? He can't hide/pretend not to be fit because he won't be paid. Also if he's shit in games he doesn't get picked and so also won't get paid. Where's the downside here?

Parachute payments are £11 million, that's in comparison to the £39.2 million we took from Premiership Television/Prize money last season. As for gates, not only will they drop but ticket prices will have to drop too, further reducing revenue. In 2006-2007 our total revenue was in the region of £87 million, now it should he closer to £100 million. That revenue would half at best if we were relegated IMO, and I'm taking parachute payments into account there. Even if we could half our wage bill we'd then be coming out with around £18 million after paying the wage bill. As opposed to £35 million at the moment, so we wouldn't be better off, and that's if we magically managed to half our wage bill, which we couldn't, certainly not for the first season or two. After two seasons we'd lose the £11 million from parachute payments and unless we'd managed to more then half our wage bill we'd then be spending at nearly 90% of revenue on wages. Where is the £200 million or so coming from to give Ashley his money back? Relegation would be an absolute disaster, for us and for Ashley. His asset would be worth half what he paid for it at best and if we didn't get back up quick we'd be a lot worse of then we are at the moment, even with our wages cut to 1/3 of what they are now. For a Championship club our revenue would be brilliant, but our outgoings would also be massive, and that's not something you can change in a year or two, or even a few years. If Ashley wants to make a profit every year then its much better to make sure we stay in the Premiership this year and then let the likes of Viduka and Owen go in the summer, replacing them with players on much lower wages. In the Premiership the revenues are so massive in comparison to the Championship that margins can be much higher. All he has to do is drop our insane wage bill down to the level of a mid table Premiership side and he'd be in the money every year. It would still take him 10 years to make his money back but its better then the 20 years or more it'd take in the Championship EDIT: changed the revenue number for this seasons increase TV money and changed the other numbers accordingly.

Maybe offer him a massively reduced weekly wage with a large playing bonus and decent goal bonus. One things for sure there's no way we can offer him another year long deal on what he's on now even if he's fit for the rest of the season. He'll simply wait until he's got his deal and then disappear again.

Cacapa - Release Owen - Keep at same wage, otherwise release Harper - Keep Butt - Keep on 1 year reduced deal Ameobi - Release Edgar - Release Viduka - Keep on pay per play

To be fair though, as much as I feel Kinnear is costing us wins with his stupid substitutions, what you've mentioned there is far from relegation form. You're talking about 12 points from 10 games, if it kept going like that we'd end up on 42 points. if u can't beat team's like stoke and wigan when leading 2-1 with only injury time left then you deserve to be relegation kinnear is a bufoon and will be out by febuary Two results don't make a team deserving of relegation, we'll only deserve to be relegated if we finish in the bottom 3, simple as that. Like I said I'm as pissed off at Kinnear as anyone and as annoyed as anyone about those games. But the fact is since he took over we aren't in relegation form... yet. Points from last 10 games (bottom half):- Spuds - 16 Stoke - 15 Boro - 13 Newcastle - 12 Wigan - 11 Man City - 9 Sunderland - 8 West Ham - 6 West Brom - 5 Blackburn - 3 We'll have to see if we can get at least 12 points from our next 10 games.

To be fair though, as much as I feel Kinnear is costing us wins with his stupid substitutions, what you've mentioned there is far from relegation form. You're talking about 12 points from 10 games, if it kept going like that we'd end up on 42 points.

Fairly obvious difference between getting high balls into the box and just lumping it forward from defence to some brick shithouse. Not really, either way its not good Football.

I never complained or said you shouldn't be allowed to play that style of Football, I just disagreed when you tried to make it sound like you played good Football. No idea what your opinion on our club and its situation has to do with it either. I'd wager they player fewer long balls in the second half than we did. If they did that still doesn't mean they played good Football. We were fucking terrible in the second half! What's that got to do with the point of your's I quoted? They didn't play great football, but it was good enough against a terrible team in the second half. The same way our football was good enough against a terrible team in the first half. Don't really know what you're arguing here. Everything considering its the point of my argument. I'm saying that we played some good Football in the first half, they played ugly yet effective Football in the second half. No idea why that opinion has to escalate into an argument in the first place.. only on this forum.

I'd wager they player fewer long balls in the second half than we did. If they did that still doesn't mean they played good Football. We were fucking terrible in the second half!

They never resorted the long balls? What? There entire game plan revolved around getting the ball high into the box by any means necessary. Nobody said they didn't deserve to get the draw, they did because they put a lot of pressure on a very unbalanced Newcastle side in the second half. That doesn't mean I'm going to pretend they played good Football.

No, I saw it and we were woefully embarassing. Second half we were the better team and deserved a point though. Even messrs Shearer and Owen agree on that. I see what you did there mate, I take it you are the comedy genius around these parts then..... You're fu**ing special son As are you. It boils down to First half you tried to pass it about and were mauled, second half you played like a Rugby team and scored twice after we had to make some daft changes. I don't understand your criticism of them, they were as awful in the first half as we were in the second. Didn't think their fans were too bad (in the ground) either, seen far worse at SJP in recent years. He's talking about the quality of Football not how effective each team was. At least we played some good stuff in the first half.

Why would you want the Spuds to win? What are you desperate for exactly?

You are of course correct, compared to the likes of the big teams in the league we are pretty awful. There are also teams in the league who are even worse than us, they currently lie below us in the league. No wonder your fans are so universally hated. Hardly. He's not said much incorrect there either. Ok then you tell me which teams currently below Stoke in the league are worse Footballing sides? In fact tell me which ones are in the whole league.

You are of course correct, compared to the likes of the big teams in the league we are pretty awful. There are also teams in the league who are even worse than us, they currently lie below us in the league. There isn't a single team below you in the league that's a worse Football team. There isn't a team in the league actually, why bother trying to deny the way your team plays? Like I said it it keeps you up then its a good thing, because you don't have the players to play decent Football.