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Another point caught up?, less than a month before they were above us

Try him away from home, nowt to lose experimenting their since we're losing every away game anyway. At home keep things the same as they are now.

Nah, that team could get into the top 4 on autopilot. Also worst managers in this league, the cunt this thread is about for a start.

He can be a liability in some games, but like you say he's still good in others. He should have been replaced no doubt, but compared to our other options has has to play IMO. Especially at home where he's been one of the few players who takes responsibility in building attacks with positive forward passing.

Don't be silly. He's a shit captain in general, and he has some poor games, but he's far from the level where we'd be better off without him on the pitch. While Lascelles defending for Everton's third was great?

That's fucking ridiculous Strangely enough they've conceded less than all but one side from the bottom 6. Well before today, conceded less than all but 2 sides now

At home as well

No effort to leave Chelsea in January in order to get games for the Euros. But he's happy to fuck off to China (which gives him no chance of playing for France) for even more money. If true it confirms what I've always thought of him. His priorities are money first, everything else a distant second. What a pathetic waste of talent he is

Set up for Berahino to miss a pen now like.

Berahino, what a miss!

Definitely seen progress at home, both Football and result wise (3 wins, 2 draws, 1 loss from the last 6 home games). Its the away form that just isn't improving. Really hope McClaren stops pissing about with the team selection in away games (3 at the back ect) because I think that's costing us.

More like a punch in the face vs having your balls squeezed in a clamp until they pop.

That's my view on it. Every club going have a shocker now and again, early on there were signs of a gameplan but to change the players' mentality after what they've had the last couple of years was always going to happen. Games like Everton were abysmal this season but we've had games like that even when we were good. I don't think we'll ever be a world beater under McClaren but I think we'll eventually become a fair team trying to play the right way hovering in mid-table. Not the 'Pardew' way of getting that, far easier on the eye which we've seen signs of this season (Southampton, Norwich, Stoke, West Ham, Liverpool & West Brom at home we played very well imo). Still not good enough for where we should be, but the McClaren/Pardew argument is crazy, he's better than him. In terms of results he certainly isn't but as I said let's just see if we are even a premiership club at the end of the season first. It's easy to pick the odd game also I could say the Man Utd 3 - 0, the Stoke 3 - 0, the Chelsea 3 - 2, the Chelsea 2 - 0 , the Man City 2 -0 were better than anything you have listed above. Everyone is entitled to gheir opinion and I'm going to leave it now and wait until the end of the season. It's funny that there is an argument as to who is the better manager when both are totally rancid mind. Wait and see that's my last word on the subject until May :-) No, see that's what we need to wait to see, it'll take more games to make any kind of accurate comparison on results. What we don't need to wait to see is the kind of Football both managers try to play, its already obvious that McClaren is better in that regard. Nah not having that mind he asked for 10, 12, 15 the cups and he is still going on about things getting better as I said wait till May and let's see no use going on about it reall you have your view I have minre let's see if we are even in the premiership first. Not bothered what he asked for like. Fact is comparing a manager after 25 games to one that was here 185 games and coming to a definitive conclusion on which produces better results isn't very accurate. All we can see for sure right now is that McClaren tries to get his sides to play better Football and isn't human garbage. Everything else is up in the air. I'll freely admit I'm not certain which manager will get better results long term. I think McClaren will (if their's a god he will ) but I'm not certain at all.

Absolutely the points total so far is shit of course. Though since our first win (9 games in) our points per game is almost the same as the first 20 games last season (1.24 vs 1.35). We're really suffering from that horrendous start. I'm sure Pardew wouldn't have tried to change our style of Football (obviously because in his eyes everything was perfect..) and so would have gotten more than 3 points from our first 8 games. So yeah we would have had more points at this stage IMO, probably somewhere around where Palace are. Then again we'd probably have ended up hitting the same kind of winless run Palace are on now. Plus I'd already have stopped watching Newcastle and Football in general at that stage with Pardew still in charge so I wouldn't give a shit where we were (so glad he's gone!! ).

That's my view on it. Every club going have a shocker now and again, early on there were signs of a gameplan but to change the players' mentality after what they've had the last couple of years was always going to happen. Games like Everton were abysmal this season but we've had games like that even when we were good. I don't think we'll ever be a world beater under McClaren but I think we'll eventually become a fair team trying to play the right way hovering in mid-table. Not the 'Pardew' way of getting that, far easier on the eye which we've seen signs of this season (Southampton, Norwich, Stoke, West Ham, Liverpool & West Brom at home we played very well imo). Still not good enough for where we should be, but the McClaren/Pardew argument is crazy, he's better than him. In terms of results he certainly isn't but as I said let's just see if we are even a premiership club at the end of the season first. It's easy to pick the odd game also I could say the Man Utd 3 - 0, the Stoke 3 - 0, the Chelsea 3 - 2, the Chelsea 2 - 0 , the Man City 2 -0 were better than anything you have listed above. Everyone is entitled to gheir opinion and I'm going to leave it now and wait until the end of the season. It's funny that there is an argument as to who is the better manager when both are totally rancid mind. Wait and see that's my last word on the subject until May :-) No, see that's what we need to wait to see, it'll take more games to make any kind of accurate comparison on results. What we don't need to wait to see is the kind of Football both managers try to play, its already obvious that McClaren is better in that regard.

That 3 - 0 defeat which could have been at least 8 or 9 oh yes it was. That was one of the worst performance from a Newcastle team I have seen in over 40 year of watching This is utter f***ing bullshit, we have never reached those depths this season in terms of attacking endeavour. I feel like I wasted 4 years of my life watching that negative speculative s**** every week, not one performance this season comes close to Pardew's worst in that respect. Even Palace. In your opinion fine but then again I'm in the opinion you're talking bullshit also. But each to their own we all have opinions let's just wait until the end of the season. I think both are utter cretins as managers but in my opinion McClaren is worse and I'll argue all day and night about that but as I said you are entitled to your opinion as are others and let's just see what the rest of this season brings. I thought Everton was absolutely rancid. Up there with some of the dross served up by his predecessors, Carver and Pardew. But McClaren worse than Pardew? Nah. I'm not having that. A new poll is needed!! Let's just wait until the end of the season and see if we make double figures on away goals scored first - as I said time will tell I will leave it at that for now. I don't need time or stats to see that we've already been trying to play a better kind of Football under McClaren and in some games have played far better than we ever did under Pardew.

Yeah, at their ground possession was very even and we had our chances, they did have more chances than us and the better of the game overall. But nowt like Saturday when West Brom had only 31% possession and 0 shots on target.

Fucking hell change the record man

If they totally dominated at their ground then I don't know how to describe Saturdays game

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They paid £12m a year ago but considering how little he played for them before they gave up on him £10m seems a bit much now. 10m Euro's would seem more realistic, but aye if its really £10m then he won't be staying here after his loan.

Can Palace keep losing though? Hopefully time for a Pardew fluke result to take the pressure off after 7 without a win.

Such a Pardew like sub from Pulis, brings on Berahino but takes off Sessegnon. Wouldn't want too much talent on the pitch now would he..

Yeah, no wins and only two points from the last seven matches, weird that like