Northern Monkey

After years of paying KD's vast salary while he underwent one kind of treatment or another, it now seems to be common knowledge that the club are willing to let Dyer go. Wouldn't it be wise to try and get something back on the pitch from him in return for our patience and outlay ?

 

Every manager Dyer has worked under considered him as an automatic first choice, England coaches and just a couple of days ago Big Sam also praised his contributions to the team.  Are a bunch of sheep brained charvas and nufc.com more qualified to decide what Dyer contributes to a football team ? I think not.

 

Dyer often covers more ground than any other player over 90 mins - lazy little get - don't think so.

When Dyer runs at defenders, he has an almost unique ability to take 2 or 3 with him, creating space for his team's forwards rarely offered in the Premiership.

He earns a fortune - sure - but finding a replacement will cost at least as much.

 

I say stick with Dyer, lets see what a full season of playing ( ) brings out of him, support him as we should support every player who wears black and white and lets see if he can finally make the prolonged and positive contribution to our cause which we have waited for.

 

He's not good enough to either justify his wages, or make up for 8 years of mediocrity.

 

Fucks sake, some people still seem to think he's some kind of world class player.

 

Don't be silly lad. 

Never heard anyone call him world class. One of our better players maybe.

 

He's an incredibly mediocre player, with very little end product. But he's been allowed to maintain the poor ouputs because of his so-called "potential", despite never realising this potential in 8 years.

 

He isn't our best winger, and he isn't our best midfielder, so he isn't our best anything. Othe rthan advert for pay-as-you-play contracts.

Well why don't you pop down to Ipswich and tell his friends he's a useless monkey turd? I'll give you directions.

Eh??

Yes, he is, in the grand scheme of things, useless. And i'd say "little tosspot" ratehr than "monkey turd". But what's your point.

Amady Faye.

Clearly TT would have no problem with people attacking his car as he leaves his place of work, and then having eggs flung at his house when he gets home.

 

Its a occupational hazard. Being a footballer means much more than kicking a ball about, something Dyer in ten years here hasn't learned, well maybe he did, just took him years to figure it out.

 

I'm sure for the millions he's earned for nothing i'd take a few eggs  But it wouldn't happen to me, as fans would never have a problem with me, i'd respect the club paying my £80kpw far too much to fuk them about.

 

End of the day, his past has caught up with him SLIGHTLY, and if that's all that ever happens to him he's got off lightly. I'm not condoning any of it, but can understand why someone would want to abuse him before he left.

 

 

 

 

 

I have to agree, while not condoning what happened and agreeing with Mort in a way that this is not the right type of image we want when trying to lure players here, we also have to take a step back and be a bit sensible about this.

 

Ok his house got pelted with some eggs - it shouldn't have happened, but no one was killed, maimed, decapitated, caught the plague ect.

 

Some people have very short memories when it comes to Dyer, not so long ago he was dragging our clubs name through the dirt with his handbags crap with Bowyer. Everyone wanted to lynch Bowyer, but Dyer seems to have been conveniently forgiven.

 

What about his part in Bobby Robsons departure, yes the details are open to debate but he definitely didn't help matters.

 

Plus there's all his off field shanahans, like getting his cock out, burning money in front of fans' faces, home movie debut ect.

 

Like it has been said before, if this is SO distressing for poor old Dyer, why hasn't he handed in a TRANSFER REQUEST? Why? because it's got fuk all to do about his family, it's all about him and his agent getting one last big payday.

 

To think of all the money that the club's spent on sending him all around the world getting the best doctors to try and sort out his career (not to mention his 60k-80k a WEEK wages). Think of all the games (about 90%) he's played when he looks like he doesn't give a s*** (apart form sunday when he was in the shop window, funny that isn't it?), and what does he do when it at last looks like he might be clear of his injuries? He want's out.  

 

And to think of all the people who were calling for Owen to be sold and criticising him for the amount of games he's played for us. At least when he's played he's done the business for us. Ramage get's slated everytime he plays, fair enough he's not good enough but at least he's honest and tries. Dyer HAS the talent, but just uses it when he feels like it and that is worse than any of the others.

 

I do think that out squad is dangerously thin and I thought that we should keep dyer to make up the numbers, but the more I think about it I would rather have Harper playing than him (ok, slight eggageration). Seriously though this parasite has bled us dry for 8 years and I think now, enough is enough.  Bye, bye.

 

Dyer is about as responsible for the incident with Bowyer as he is for having some cretins chuck eggs at his house tbh.  What the f*** are "off field shanahans" btw?

 

People have wanted him out of the club FOR YEARS.  Now he finally acquiesces and admits he wants to leave and we get "Eh?  But what about all the money we've spend on medical fees, you ungrateful b******?"  He can't f****** win.

 

As for Dyer's performances, I think it's pretty clear that for the vast majority of his time here he's been playing injured.  Even when he was brought back into the team, he was never fully fit.  It's only last season that we finally had him at a decent level of fitness for a prolonged period, but by then the damage was done and people have made their mind up to despise him.  And he's been nowhere near as bad as people try to make out when he has played.  Not even close.

 

I think it's a shame he's leaving because he can be a good player for us, but I totally understand him wanting to go.  Especially in light of recent incidents and the fact that he must know that trying to win the fans back over is a pointless exercise.

 

Aye, sorry, it's all the fans' fault.

 

Saint Dyer's so hard done to.

 

Ungrateful? For what?

 

For the money spent on medical fees?  I was playing the part of the idiots who, having wanted the bloke to leave the club for years, are now slating him for finally succumbing to the pressure and wanting to go himself.

 

As for "Saint Dyer", he's done a LOT less than people make out.  A couple of regrettable incidents that I'm sure he wished he hadn't been involved in, and then being a long term injury sufferer.  Oh and he got well paid, big deal, he's a professional footballer

 

Ask yourself this though - if he HADN'T been injured as often as he has, if we'd got 40 games a season out of him over all these years, would people still despise him like they do for an incident with the captain's armband, and for having a piss in the street?  I bet they f****** wouldn't, which just shows how ridiculous the whole thing is.  In the main he's despised for having been injured.  The other incidents are nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

So would you also say that Owen should have left as soon as he recovered from his injury or were you one of the people who thought he should show us some loyalty, because by your account Dyer has never been fully fit, so surely he should show us some loyalty too?

 

Nope, I said at the time that Owen was perfectly entitled to leave if he wanted to.  In fact, in the immediate aftermath of last season I said that if I was him I'd be telling my agent that his holidays were cancelled as he was going to be working his arse off finding me a way out of the shambles that is NUFC.

 

Which slightly messes up your point.

 

Not really, fair enough you don't think loyalty should be part of a footballers character, I however think it should. I thought Owen should show us some loyalty, and I thought Dyer should as well.

 

But as soon as he's fully fit he want's out. Fair enough that's his decision, I don't personally agree with it.

 

Do you not think he knows that most of the fans want "the dirty skank/f****** w******/little arsehole/etc etc" out though?  Do you think that might have some bearing on his decision?

 

He gets booed by his own fans, and you then expect him to show them loyalty?  How much loyalty would you feel like showing under those circumstances?

 

I'm not painting him as the victim in all this btw, but it's preposterous to suggest that he should show loyalty to a crowd that (in some cases, literally) is baying for his blood.

 

Yeh but mate, what came first? Dyers inept displays? or the crowd getting on his back?

 

I've never know the crowd to boo a player unless they feel he's not giving everything he can. And you can't say for one minute that Dyer has giving 100% in all the games he played for us can you?

 

It's very rare that I've seen a Kieron Dyer performance that's lacked effort.  I just don't think that he's ever been guilty of that, and there are plenty that agree with me (generally the people not blinded by hatred).  I've seen a bloke that clearly wasn't fit trying to get through games on occasion, but I just don't think the lack of effort accusation sticks with Dyer.

 

Tehn in the opinion of many fans, you'll be wrong.

 

 

 

I did make specific reference to people NOT blinded by hatred tbf.  I think we know where you fall in that respect.

Yes, he's been great, loads of effort, loads of good games, loads of output. not.

Jesus

 

What's up? It's a new thread, I'd have thought you'd have been delighted. 

 

I am! I meant I would be happy if our new academy prospect turned out to be Jesus

He'd not want to play Boxing Day, though, would he? Its a big time in the Of Nazarteth household.

Is it just me or do we get the s*** offers from clubs...

 

So, you see West Ham offering £16-18 mill for Bent, but when it comes to our players like Dyer they offer peanuts? 

 

If they really want him... they should be willing to pay over the odds like we seemed to do. Boumsoung for example.

 

Coffer Up i say 

Because Bent does a good job. And few clubs are as stupid as us, hence the Boumsong thing.

After years of paying KD's vast salary while he underwent one kind of treatment or another, it now seems to be common knowledge that the club are willing to let Dyer go. Wouldn't it be wise to try and get something back on the pitch from him in return for our patience and outlay ?

 

Every manager Dyer has worked under considered him as an automatic first choice, England coaches and just a couple of days ago Big Sam also praised his contributions to the team.  Are a bunch of sheep brained charvas and nufc.com more qualified to decide what Dyer contributes to a football team ? I think not.

 

Dyer often covers more ground than any other player over 90 mins - lazy little get - don't think so.

When Dyer runs at defenders, he has an almost unique ability to take 2 or 3 with him, creating space for his team's forwards rarely offered in the Premiership.

He earns a fortune - sure - but finding a replacement will cost at least as much.

 

I say stick with Dyer, lets see what a full season of playing ( ) brings out of him, support him as we should support every player who wears black and white and lets see if he can finally make the prolonged and positive contribution to our cause which we have waited for.

 

He's not good enough to either justify his wages, or make up for 8 years of mediocrity.

 

Fucks sake, some people still seem to think he's some kind of world class player.

 

Don't be silly lad. 

Never heard anyone call him world class. One of our better players maybe.

He's an incredibly mediocre player, with very little end product. But he's been allowed to maintain the poor ouputs because of his so-called "potential", despite never realising this potential in 8 years.

He isn't our best winger, and he isn't our best midfielder, so he isn't our best anything. Othe rthan advert for pay-as-you-play contracts.

There are some mad people about. Think some folk need to get a grip.

Aye, the ones who think Dyer is worth keeping.

Clearly TT would have no problem with people attacking his car as he leaves his place of work, and then having eggs flung at his house when he gets home.

 

Its a occupational hazard. Being a footballer means much more than kicking a ball about, something Dyer in ten years here hasn't learned, well maybe he did, just took him years to figure it out.

 

I'm sure for the millions he's earned for nothing i'd take a few eggs  But it wouldn't happen to me, as fans would never have a problem with me, i'd respect the club paying my £80kpw far too much to fuk them about.

 

End of the day, his past has caught up with him SLIGHTLY, and if that's all that ever happens to him he's got off lightly. I'm not condoning any of it, but can understand why someone would want to abuse him before he left.

 

 

 

 

 

I have to agree, while not condoning what happened and agreeing with Mort in a way that this is not the right type of image we want when trying to lure players here, we also have to take a step back and be a bit sensible about this.

 

Ok his house got pelted with some eggs - it shouldn't have happened, but no one was killed, maimed, decapitated, caught the plague ect.

 

Some people have very short memories when it comes to Dyer, not so long ago he was dragging our clubs name through the dirt with his handbags crap with Bowyer. Everyone wanted to lynch Bowyer, but Dyer seems to have been conveniently forgiven.

 

What about his part in Bobby Robsons departure, yes the details are open to debate but he definitely didn't help matters.

 

Plus there's all his off field shanahans, like getting his cock out, burning money in front of fans' faces, home movie debut ect.

 

Like it has been said before, if this is SO distressing for poor old Dyer, why hasn't he handed in a TRANSFER REQUEST? Why? because it's got fuk all to do about his family, it's all about him and his agent getting one last big payday.

 

To think of all the money that the club's spent on sending him all around the world getting the best doctors to try and sort out his career (not to mention his 60k-80k a WEEK wages). Think of all the games (about 90%) he's played when he looks like he doesn't give a s*** (apart form sunday when he was in the shop window, funny that isn't it?), and what does he do when it at last looks like he might be clear of his injuries? He want's out.  

 

And to think of all the people who were calling for Owen to be sold and criticising him for the amount of games he's played for us. At least when he's played he's done the business for us. Ramage get's slated everytime he plays, fair enough he's not good enough but at least he's honest and tries. Dyer HAS the talent, but just uses it when he feels like it and that is worse than any of the others.

 

I do think that out squad is dangerously thin and I thought that we should keep dyer to make up the numbers, but the more I think about it I would rather have Harper playing than him (ok, slight eggageration). Seriously though this parasite has bled us dry for 8 years and I think now, enough is enough.  Bye, bye.

 

Dyer is about as responsible for the incident with Bowyer as he is for having some cretins chuck eggs at his house tbh.  What the f*** are "off field shanahans" btw?

 

People have wanted him out of the club FOR YEARS.  Now he finally acquiesces and admits he wants to leave and we get "Eh?  But what about all the money we've spend on medical fees, you ungrateful b******?"  He can't f****** win.

 

As for Dyer's performances, I think it's pretty clear that for the vast majority of his time here he's been playing injured.  Even when he was brought back into the team, he was never fully fit.  It's only last season that we finally had him at a decent level of fitness for a prolonged period, but by then the damage was done and people have made their mind up to despise him.  And he's been nowhere near as bad as people try to make out when he has played.  Not even close.

 

I think it's a shame he's leaving because he can be a good player for us, but I totally understand him wanting to go.  Especially in light of recent incidents and the fact that he must know that trying to win the fans back over is a pointless exercise.

 

Aye, sorry, it's all the fans' fault.

 

Saint Dyer's so hard done to.

 

Ungrateful? For what?

 

For the money spent on medical fees?  I was playing the part of the idiots who, having wanted the bloke to leave the club for years, are now slating him for finally succumbing to the pressure and wanting to go himself.

 

As for "Saint Dyer", he's done a LOT less than people make out.  A couple of regrettable incidents that I'm sure he wished he hadn't been involved in, and then being a long term injury sufferer.  Oh and he got well paid, big deal, he's a professional footballer

 

Ask yourself this though - if he HADN'T been injured as often as he has, if we'd got 40 games a season out of him over all these years, would people still despise him like they do for an incident with the captain's armband, and for having a piss in the street?  I bet they f****** wouldn't, which just shows how ridiculous the whole thing is.  In the main he's despised for having been injured.  The other incidents are nothing in the grand scheme of things.

 

So would you also say that Owen should have left as soon as he recovered from his injury or were you one of the people who thought he should show us some loyalty, because by your account Dyer has never been fully fit, so surely he should show us some loyalty too?

 

Nope, I said at the time that Owen was perfectly entitled to leave if he wanted to.  In fact, in the immediate aftermath of last season I said that if I was him I'd be telling my agent that his holidays were cancelled as he was going to be working his arse off finding me a way out of the shambles that is NUFC.

 

Which slightly messes up your point.

 

Not really, fair enough you don't think loyalty should be part of a footballers character, I however think it should. I thought Owen should show us some loyalty, and I thought Dyer should as well.

 

But as soon as he's fully fit he want's out. Fair enough that's his decision, I don't personally agree with it.

 

Do you not think he knows that most of the fans want "the dirty skank/f****** w******/little arsehole/etc etc" out though?  Do you think that might have some bearing on his decision?

 

He gets booed by his own fans, and you then expect him to show them loyalty?  How much loyalty would you feel like showing under those circumstances?

 

I'm not painting him as the victim in all this btw, but it's preposterous to suggest that he should show loyalty to a crowd that (in some cases, literally) is baying for his blood.

 

Yeh but mate, what came first? Dyers inept displays? or the crowd getting on his back?

 

I've never know the crowd to boo a player unless they feel he's not giving everything he can. And you can't say for one minute that Dyer has giving 100% in all the games he played for us can you?

 

It's very rare that I've seen a Kieron Dyer performance that's lacked effort.  I just don't think that he's ever been guilty of that, and there are plenty that agree with me (generally the people not blinded by hatred).  I've seen a bloke that clearly wasn't fit trying to get through games on occasion, but I just don't think the lack of effort accusation sticks with Dyer.

Tehn in the opinion of many fans, you'll be wrong.

After years of paying KD's vast salary while he underwent one kind of treatment or another, it now seems to be common knowledge that the club are willing to let Dyer go. Wouldn't it be wise to try and get something back on the pitch from him in return for our patience and outlay ?

 

Every manager Dyer has worked under considered him as an automatic first choice, England coaches and just a couple of days ago Big Sam also praised his contributions to the team.  Are a bunch of sheep brained charvas and nufc.com more qualified to decide what Dyer contributes to a football team ? I think not.

 

Dyer often covers more ground than any other player over 90 mins - lazy little get - don't think so.

When Dyer runs at defenders, he has an almost unique ability to take 2 or 3 with him, creating space for his team's forwards rarely offered in the Premiership.

He earns a fortune - sure - but finding a replacement will cost at least as much.

 

I say stick with Dyer, lets see what a full season of playing ( ) brings out of him, support him as we should support every player who wears black and white and lets see if he can finally make the prolonged and positive contribution to our cause which we have waited for.

He's not good enough to either justify his wages, or make up for 8 years of mediocrity.

Fucks sake, some people still seem to think he's some kind of world class player.

Booing the little skank during the match is one thing, but the egging was (whilst funny on one very small level) obviously wrong.

The Smith signing will prove to be as inspired as the Geremi one.

<snigger>...for the umpteenth time.

Would anyone rather keep Dyer than bring in Smith?

No, at least everyone accepts Smith's mediocrity.

If that's nailed on does it also mean Dyer is gone I wonder.

<crosses fingers>

<remembers what a knob Smith is>

<crosses fingers anyway, Dyer is a bigger wanker>

I just want him back to what he was in his first full season here. I fucking loved him that year and he was one of the very, very few bright points of the Souness reign. As long as he's in the team in one of his actual positions, I'm happy. Left-wing firstly, centre-mid second and left-back if absolutely necessary.

 

Not sure he has the vision to play in behind the strikers, not just yet anyway.

 

He's an "impact" player, ideally suited to bursting up the flanks/through the middle... the Juve game was eerily reminiscent of of the times two seasons ago when he'd receive the ball on the flank from a quick goalie throw and the whole crowd would roar him forwards... and quite often he'd make something useful happen.

 

Our most exciting player on his day and invaluable if he has his head right. As he gets older and slows down a little/learns more discipline/experience I think he could become a top-class fullback as well.

 

he's got the ability, I HOPE he has the temperament, and last season was a case of "2nd season blues" plus of course Roeder got it all wrong with zoggy.

 

Putting your neck on the line I'd say he will be a top player, but maybe is one of those players who needs to be completely comfortable with his manager and surroundings to be it, and needs a bit of pandering and encouragement. But this is why managers are paid good money, to handle players in their different ways.

 

Ding! Ding! Ding!!

We have a winner!!!

And the inability of the last few managers to do that properly has been a BIG part of the reason why we have not got the best out of good players, and been bigging up mediocre players and even shite ones.

I'd still rather we'd have bought a fucking top striker to play alongside Owens/The Nigerian Walter Mitty.

But, in fairness, it coudl have been worse. Fat Convict is a decent enough striker for a season or so, and if we'd turned to fucking Ameobi, it'd be proper time to panic. Hopefully, by next season, Carroll will be pushing on, and showing what a waste of skin Shola "this season i'll break into the national team" Ameobi is.

Other than that, the ones moaning about not enough signings will only be proven (partly) right if we end up

(a) signing the likes of Smith up front ahead of defenders, or

(b) going into the new season with no new left back.

"He has consistently been one of the highest scoring centre midfield players over the past few seasons."

 

think he hit four premiership goals last season

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What a bunch of clueless fucking pricks. If Dyer wants to go - let him go. No-one is indispensible.

especially not a medicore, injury prone, diseased little skank.

Dyer tries his socks off, and want to go down south and his family is there no other reason. Not because he doens't like the North east of NUFC or the fan, but some people seem to think its cool to hate him. Maybe we should go egg their houses.

tries his socks off!

:lol: :lol:

At least it wasn't a top player whose stuff got attacked.

guessing allardyce seems him as having similar attributes as Nolan and looking to employ him in the team the same way as Nolan does for bolton

 

Aye they're both f****** gash.

 

That is a quote from a muppet who knows very lttle about football. Kevin Nolan is an excellent player, who apart from the arse-licking and favouratism of England selection would be knocking on the door of the England squad. He has consistently been one of the highest scoring centre midfield players over the past few seasons.

He's scored well twice in the past 5 seasons.

He's an okay player, not brilliant.

We don't need Smith, we've got 5 fantastic strikers, and Ameobi..why go and sign another striker?

5 fantastic strikers? Name them.

Carr has a half decent friendly, and sudenly he is good enough?? Nope. Get shot of the waster, he's nowehre near premiership quality.

booing a player thats playing well too, very fkn hard to believe that these twats are not inbred mackems just out to cause s***, as they obviously know fk all about football.

 

Playing well? A flat track bully that has NEVER done it when it has mattered.

I know f*** all about football then. I hate to put his name on this thread along side the bling w****** but compare Lord St Peter of Beardsleyand names from the past most of you will never have seen play for us in the 60's 70's and 80's who would give everything for this club and not ponce about for £80,000  a week. I hate to boo our own players and it achieves nowt but I have never considered Dire one of ours since the SBR debacle at the smogs. He's a waster, get rid asap.

Skirge is right. People like you do know f*** all about football. Who were these players who gave everything? I did see those players from the 70s and 80s and in the main they were talentless. Clearly there are exceptions but if you are claiming you would rather have Tommy Cassidy or David McCreery than Kieron Dyer then you are barking mad. I have never seen Dyer slack on a pitch. Its one thing he cant be pulled up on in fact.

 

You don't go to the match, do you? because your last statement proves to me, at least, that if you do, you are either

(a) a cretin

(b) the type who thinks any player in black and white is a god

© the type who believes the SSN-style hype around mediocre players like Dire, or

(d) all of the above.

 

Been going longer than you sonny. Given your less than clever (and patently racist) description of Bramble, I take anything you say with a pinch of salt.

Ooh, good comeback. Thanks for confirming my suspicions about which of my options you were.

I'm fairly sure its wrong to call someone something as serious as a racist, but i wouldn'd expect someone like you to understand that, its a bit in-depth for you, isn't it. You clearly HAVEN'T been going to the game for any lenght of time at all, and thats ok, not everyone can go to the game, thats no refelction on you as an idiot a person.

PS - "sonny" fpmsl.

booing a player thats playing well too, very fkn hard to believe that these twats are not inbred mackems just out to cause s***, as they obviously know fk all about football.

 

Playing well? A flat track bully that has NEVER done it when it has mattered.

I know f*** all about football then. I hate to put his name on this thread along side the bling w****** but compare Lord St Peter of Beardsleyand names from the past most of you will never have seen play for us in the 60's 70's and 80's who would give everything for this club and not ponce about for £80,000  a week. I hate to boo our own players and it achieves nowt but I have never considered Dire one of ours since the SBR debacle at the smogs. He's a waster, get rid asap.

Skirge is right. People like you do know fuck all about football. Who were these players who gave everything? I did see those players from the 70s and 80s and in the main they were talentless. Clearly there are exceptions but if you are claiming you would rather have Tommy Cassidy or David McCreery than Kieron Dyer then you are barking mad. I have never seen Dyer slack on a pitch. Its one thing he cant be pulled up on in fact.

You don't go to the match, do you? because your last statement proves to me, at least, that if you do, you are either

(a) a cretin

(b) the type who thinks any player in black and white is a god

© the type who believes the SSN-style hype around mediocre players like Dire, or

(d) all of the above.

if hes wearing a  black and white shirt you dont boo him even if hes a wanker!

fuck off.